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mooshoepork
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So, I want to make maybe two custom shirts, maybe more to get the total order cost down if friends want a couple too.
I had a bit of a google, but it's so hit and miss. It's hard to gauge quality too. I'm willing to pay more for a high quality print/ high quality shirt.
something like this
Looks to be good quality. It's 205gm, 100% cotton. What should I be looking for?
I'll also need the function of moving the image I wanted printed around, and resizing it/ a good preview of what it will look like.
International shipping is a must, as I live in Australia.
So guys, any sites you would recommend? What have you used before?
I had a bit of a google, but it's so hit and miss. It's hard to gauge quality too. I'm willing to pay more for a high quality print/ high quality shirt.
something like this
Looks to be good quality. It's 205gm, 100% cotton. What should I be looking for?
I'll also need the function of moving the image I wanted printed around, and resizing it/ a good preview of what it will look like.
International shipping is a must, as I live in Australia.
So guys, any sites you would recommend? What have you used before?
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Ah, so there aren't any good ones on the webs?
I was looking at
http://www.pistolclothing.com.au/
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Yeah anything local is always better, you're already saving on the shipping and there's no chance of "yeah your order was eaten by a bunch of guerrilla koalas during shipping". It's there, you order, you pick up, wear, profit.
Can you find screenprinters that will do one-off shirts? Most of the ones I know of are going to have a minimum order of about 25-50.
Digital printers would do one-offs but you're going to be severely restricted to positioning with them I would think.
The iron-on probably wouldn't be considered high-quality, and sublimation prints only work on 100% polyester shirts, so the direct to garment print would probably be optimal for you. I don't know how common they are in Australia, but you might be able to call some local screenprinters and see if they know anybody in the area who has one. The one drawback of DTG printers is that a lot of them do not print white ink so you'd either have to get it printed on a white shirt or get lucky and find a shop with one of the new models that also have white ink.
wii code: 8041-7562-5268-4264
Just edited the orange pictures and added in the visor.
You also need to make sure your picture is high resolution enough that it will print without pixellization at the size you want it on the shirt. The artwork should be made to size at 300dpi.
wii code: 8041-7562-5268-4264
There are printing places which will do small runs but you will be charged a set up fee (usually per screen/colour) which will put the effective unit price of your shirt up but for 2 colours it will probably still be similar to what you'd pay for a shirt in a highstreet shop.
It looks to me like you're using someone else's artwork to get shirts made though? I'm not really down with that if that's the case...
I want one shirt, for myself. I saw the same shirt somewhere else and it wasn't for sale. It's artwork from the game dead space.
When I remove the back blackground I lose a bit of quality and start getting aliasing. However, I sent off an email and got a reply from a local store:
"Not a problem. We can easily trace and print that as a direct print (2-colour) which is pretty similar to a screen print. Are you able to come int to the store or would you prefer a mail/phone order?
Thanks,"
edit: The jpeg seems to say it's only 72dpi vertical and 72 horizontal. Egh...
Its a good site for custom shirts.
Well, what they'd do is vector trace it in some fashion anyway (Probably colour select each colour separately in photoshop, convert to a path and then export the path to illustrator where they would reassemble the image) which will allow them to scale the image to the required size without loss of quality and ensure that they genuinely are only dealing with two colours.
I'd imagine they'd approach it by utilising the grey and the blue from the illustration as the print colours and print it onto a black shirt (presumably with a white wash behind the printed areas) so the shadows on the illustration would be created by the black of the shirt material and thus blend seamlessly into the rest of the shirt as per the image.
However, this is someone else's artwork. It doesn't really matter that you're only printing one of them and using it for yourself. It's illegal for you to do it and illegal for the printers to do it and all laws aside just isn't really a very cool thing to do mooshoe.
See. This is a really dumb way to look at it. I enjoyed the game so much, and I really liked this shirt. You can't buy the shirt. I'm assuming the producer just made it for himself. I'm not cutting into anyone's profits. If I were to print it on a piece of paper, and carry it around with me all day, it'd be fine right?
Technically it might be illegal. I can understand that, but if you think it's wrong of me to wear a shirt with something I like on it. That's retarded. If I made a game, and I saw someone wearing my art. Someone who went to trouble to actually make a shirt. I'd be honored.
You're being silly about nothing.
It's nothing to do with me being silly, it's simply that what gets done with this artwork is just not your decision to make. There's no argument here, no grey area, no special circumstances - it's simply illegal. And I'd be surprised if the printers wouldn't agree with this position if they were aware that the artwork is stolen.
I think you're just being silly. The artwork was already made into a t-shirt. I'm doing the exact same thing that's already been done.
It's not like I'm selling them on the internet and passing them off as my own design.
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's being blown out of proportion a little bit.
I made a NIN shirt that didn't exist for my own personal use. Who am I harming? I made my own rendition/design of Trent Reznor's likeness, and the NIN logo. Is Trent losing a piece of his soul because I'm a fan and wanted to make a shirt that he does not sell?
I think what mooshoepork is doing is totally legit unless he decides to start a production line and selling them for $20 a pop.
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This. This just makes it worse. Sure, they aren't selling the tshirts but that doesn't mean they might not sometime in the future.
That doesn't matter. You're still by-passing their copyright. Just because you aren't making additional profit off it, doesn't mean it's not wrong.
No, I'm actually proportioning it just right. It's just what it is, minor copyright infringement. If you were planning on mass-producing and selling the t-shirts, I would've hit the report button and not even discussed it. All I want to do is stress that you are attempting to breaking the law and infringing on someone's copyright.
Also the printers may (indeed, should) reject the job should they realise this and certainly may not be too pleased to discover that you are trying to make them an accomplice to copyright infringement. Some printers don't give a crap but when your business is reproducing art, being implicated in an instance of copyright infringement can be pretty damaging. As in, sued out of business damaging. It is what it is.
I don't see what's so weird about warning someone in a help and advice thread that what they are planning to do is illegal. If he was to create an original piece of art in the likeness of the character then there'd be no problem, there's nothing illegal about that. And man, NIN is a terrible example, Reznor probably has an open licence on his logo, he's special that way.
No. It's copyright infringement.
I thought copyright law dealt with using someone else's intellectual property for your own financial gain (or I guess their financial ruin).
ex: Selling knock-off Disney merch.
Not just tracing a picture of Mickey Mouse and hanging it over your bed.
Lookyhere, wiki entry on Australian copy right law
as for US law, for sake of conversation
You'll notice that neither of those examples specify that it's only a copyright violation if you make profit off the work, especially the Australian one. Any personal or private use is prohibited without permission.
Additionally, if a printer does make the tshirt for him, then they will have profited from reproducing the work because mooshoe will have paid them.
And in this instance, I doubt fair use is a defence. That's typically reserved for things like making a back-up of copyrighted material you have bought - making a recording of an album for personal use so you don't damage the original copy for example. It also applies to making copies for academic use etc. (In your example of photocopying the book, that would be allowed in most countries if you were doing it as research for an essay or a project for example - hanging them in your bedroom isn't likely to get you busted, but "It ain't a crime if you don't get caught" is just a catchy lyric, it's not law.). Fair use doesn't typically cover taking an image you haven't paid for and reproducing it on a t-shirt. Maybe you could make a case for it if you were doing so for political activism or something, whatever.
Anyway, mooshoe isn't likely to get prosecuted for making a one-off tshirt. I'm not trying to make out like he's just as bad as someone who mass-produces counterfeit gameboy cartridges or any shit like that. I'm just putting it in the appropriate perspective and making him aware that it is most certainly illegal. Some people prefer not to do things which are illegal, even minor things, so I figured it'd be a good idea to make it clear to him that doing this is. Ultimately, it's his decision if he wants to do it, but I have a personal objection to giving him any more advice on the matter other than it's illegal and I know we're not supposed to give advice on how to break the law either. I'm not going to go making mod decisions on the matter because it's not my place to do so and it's a petty enough crime that they may not care, but my advice here is simple (which is frustrating considering how much you're making me repeat myself) - it's illegal.
Illegal, then?
Jesus. Who the fuck knows? Maybe they had permission? Are you going to roll out every single obscure, thinly detailed situation you can imagine or just stick to the fucking topic at hand?
Is it a serious enough issue of copyright infringement for EA to do anything about it? No, probably not -- they wouldn't care about a one-off shirt, and chances are they'd never even know about it BUT the principle is that it's still infringement.
As the poster above mentioned, if you made your own art -- i.e. if it were your interpretation of EA's IP, then that would be a bit more acceptable.
My own personal opinion (as it happens, I'm both a graphic designer and a screenprinter) is that for a fan shirt, I think your intentions are innocent enough and as long as you're not planning to sell them it's pretty harmless and not worth worrying about.
However, it's not my IP to grant the reproduction rights to! ;-)
This is fine, all you are doing is framing pictures from a book - not reproducing anything.
Could you take those pictures and get them printed on shirts? Well, yes you could. But you would be reproducing an image which you do have the rights to, and the person who owns the rights to those images can take action accordingly if they choose to do so.
I was actually asking you about an instance that stood out to me because you seem much more knowledgeable on copyright law than I do.
Ok, well it would depend very much on circumstances. It's not illegal to cut pages out of a book and stick them on a wall. It might be illegal to do that and then charge people to come look at your pictures on the wall depending on the use permissions granted by the original artist (similar to the prohibition against showing DVDs in public places). Of course, it also depends on what the pictures are. If they're old enough then the copyright on them may have run it's course. It used to be something like 75 years although I believe the law has since changed to allow estates/companies/etc. to extend copyright duration. So if it was a Van Gogh or a Monet reproduction then you may be able to do what you like with it as I don't think anybody actually owns the copyright to the original images any more (although photographers would still technically own the copyright to a photograph they took of a painting even if the copyright on the painting has since run it's course).
As you can see, it can depend very much on details. In some situations there may be a string of copyrights - for example a hypothetical photograph of a sculpture printed in a book may require permission from the sculptor, the photographer and the book designer/publisher in order to legally display or reproduce it. As the permission granted to the publisher by the photographer and the sculptor is likely to be limited to reproduction within a specific book and as such the book publisher would not have the necessary authority to grant permission to other third-parties to create additional reproductions or use it in a situation not specified by the original transferral of rights, with the exception of 'fair use' which basically boils down to an argument in court over whether the use was fair or not as there is no clearly defined boundaries of fair use.
Of course, this is all needlessly complicated and doesn't really help mooshoe in anyway. His situation is far more simple - it's illegal.
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