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[Heroes] Season 3: Vote Worf to Eliminate Heroes '08 (spoilers)

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    He survives the explosion, though I can't remember if she knew that.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    And yet she's later ok with killing Peter by letting him be the bomb she apparently knows is coming.

    But peter's only a nurse...

    ...yeah ok that doesn't make sense. Also she was dandy with killing baby sylar

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I'm going to with Nathan being surrounded by people also trying to take down Linderman would have severely hampered Pa Petrelli's mind fuck. Ma Petrelli looked like she lived a fairly isolated life while Nathan would be constantly surrounded by other lawyers and staff working towards the same goal.

    I like this explanation it works with me.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Baby Sylar had it coming though

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    I'm going to with Nathan being surrounded by people also trying to take down Linderman would have severely hampered Pa Petrelli's mind fuck. Ma Petrelli looked like she lived a fairly isolated life while Nathan would be constantly surrounded by other lawyers and staff working towards the same goal.

    I like this explanation it works with me.

    all he had to do was hand it off to another DA, that's all his dad wanted.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    I'm going to with Nathan being surrounded by people also trying to take down Linderman would have severely hampered Pa Petrelli's mind fuck. Ma Petrelli looked like she lived a fairly isolated life while Nathan would be constantly surrounded by other lawyers and staff working towards the same goal.

    I like this explanation it works with me.

    all he had to do was hand it off to another DA, that's all his dad wanted.
    To which the other DA would reply "You've been working this case for months/years now and nearly have the guy. Why would you just pass it off?"

    "I don't know. I guess I won't. That was silly."

    STAY AWAY FROM MY BUBBLE.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *pop*

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Yar wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    It's the only possible explanation for him not taking Maury's power before killing him.
    Sure... or there could be a thousand explanations for that. But it sure as hell doesn't explain why Maury was even around at all if Pa Petrelli could already do what he does.

    Schro, usually your commentary is pretty accurate, but in this case you missed a lot.
    Sylar tied a noose. Elle broke the rope. Oh, and he didn't see that. She told him it was luck or fate or whatever that it broke. That's why he was surprised to find she had 'lectric power.
    I think "that one dude" gave a pretty convincing statement about how he totally forgot 14 damn years ago that she had a baby and they told her it died.
    Flint is dumb. He's a mental child. I think he was totally believable with his "I'ma bea agernt!"
    There is a lot of room for speculation about people with the same powers as others. Flint getting tackled by an invisible man isn't nearly the first time.
    The "Yeah, I killed her, genius" was him being sadistically sarcastic. He wasn't intending to kill either of them.
    Elle was acting ga-ga over emo's powers because she was supposed to be egging Sylar on. It was an act. She was trying to make him jealous so he'd steal it.
    Nathan saw his dad on the floor with the heart attack, and saw the ashes. I think that's close enough for someone to say "I saw him die." Even seeing someone actually die doesn't mean shit on this show anyway.
    Apparently you think the Sylar scenes were poorly written because you completely missed what was going on.

    My problem with the Sylar/Elle scenes is that it was just a terrible bit of acting/writing. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad dialogue. Although I'm sure that the acting would have been better if the writing was better. If they want to do romance scenes, then they need to bring in some writers who actually know a thing or two about the subject. I can get that Elle was trying to make Sylar jealous. The problem is that it was way, way, way too over the top. They could have just showed them at dinner, where Elle is coyly flirting with Emo guy and focusing all his attention on him -- and Sylar getting increasingly annoyed before he finally snaps. Instead, they have to make her go, "OMG, that is the most awesome power ever, show me again, show me again!" Also, I can get that she was uncomfortable with the scene, but why didn't Sylar notice? It's like they tell actors, "If you're playing a character who lies, don't play it like you're lying. Play it like you're telling the truth."

    What was Thompson's explanation? The most I can remember is him saying something along of "Oh, that's right!" He was there when Claire was assigned to HRG. Did he just completely forget that Meredith was the real mother?

    Flint was dumb like Joe the Plumber is dumb, not full-on-retard "OMG, I can't believe I killed that mouse!" dumb. Mistaking a taser for a killing device -- after it's already been used on you -- is pretty damned dumb.

    While I can get Thompson's line looking sarcastic on paper, the problem is that he didn't sell it as sarcasm in his delivery. Also, probably not wise to use non-sarcastic sounding sarcasm on a guy who just turned full-on-retard.

    And seeing a heart attack and ashes might be enough for a normal person if the subject was never brought up again, but not really in a conspiracy laden world of Heroes where Peter had just told Nathan that he saw Arthur face to face. Did Nathan, at any point, see a dead body?

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  • LineNoizLineNoiz Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The thing with Elle is that she is a character that is bad at acting. It's not like Elle took some lessons on lying and manipulating people. Also, it's already been established that she is kind of socially fucked up. I found her performance completely believable for what it was - somebody not good at acting trying to get someone to do something by pretending to be something she is not.

    As for Thompson's line not being sarcastic enough for you... Maybe you should watch that scene again? It's was pretty damn sarcastic, as evidenced by him emphasizing the word "genius."

    Finally, it's been implied pretty heavily (from Meredith's interactions with him) that Flint is in fact "OMG I killded dat mouwse!" retarded.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    How did flint become a full blown cold blooded murderer in a year's time though? He was roasting that guy at the gas station for laughs.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The biggest problem is that there was absolutely no reason for Flint to think that Meredith was dead at that point. It just comes completely out of left field, and there's no internal logic to it. And even if Flint really was that retarded, then it probably wouldn't be a good time for Thompson to be using sarcasm, especially given the lack of a sarcastic tone of voice. I mean, if a retarded six year old thought I killed his sister, and I was trying to bring him in peacefully before he uses his fire powers, the absolute last thing I would say to him is "Yeah, I did, genius, and you're next!" in a completely serious tone of voice.

    As for Elle, the funny thing is that Sylar never picks up the fact that Elle is completely uncomfortable or acting strangely. It's like watching one of those movies where some guy is dressed as the most unconvincing broad on Earth, and yet absolutely no one finds anything off about it.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Why do I continue to watch this tripe?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Why do I continue to watch this tripe?

    I think I'm done. I had to force myself, literally, to watch this episode. Its just not fun anymore. Like going back to tell us how Elle and Sylar have history is at all fucking relevant to whats going on in the present.

    And what the hell hapenned with Meredith? She got zapped then got straight back up like it was nothing. I figured it was some kind of ploy along with Thompson but then she starts attacking him anyway.

    And Flint is the most pathetic level 5 villain.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It's possible to plan in advance and wear some special protection designed to short circuit the taser. That's pretty much the only way you can explain what happened, because Meredith behaves completely unaffected by it. But yeah, that comes completely out of left field.

    And presumably, Flint was in Level 5 because he spontaneously develops a liking for torching innocent people.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Every time they mention "The Hunger" I want to freak out and go crazy. It just reminds me that they took a realistic character (I think there are more than a handful of people that would be willing to kill for some of these) and made him completely bland.

    And for what? The sake of making him fight for the Company?

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Anybody have any idea what the hell that Santiago guy's power is in the webisodes?
    When they were announcing the two finalists during the premiere, when they named his power me and my friends were all like, WTF? It makes no sense. My one friend described his power as "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" which I thought pretty fitting.
    I don't want to watch the webisodes, I just wonder what the heck kind of power they were trying to get at with "Accelerated Probability." The trailers they showed during this episode didn't make it any clearer. He kind of looks fast?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Anybody have any idea what the hell that Santiago guy's power is in the webisodes?
    When they were announcing the two finalists during the premiere, when they named his power me and my friends were all like, WTF? It makes no sense. My one friend described his power as "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" which I thought pretty fitting.
    I don't want to watch the webisodes, I just wonder what the heck kind of power they were trying to get at with "Accelerated Probability." The trailers they showed during this episode didn't make it any clearer. He kind of looks fast?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    So foresight.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    So foresight.

    Not normal foresight though, I think they're talking Prometheus levels of foresight.

    I think Waterchick has a more interesting power than soccer-douche.

    And we still need somebody who can control animals, because they could be badass if they were smart about it.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    What's cool about turning into water?

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    What's cool about turning into water?

    Well if you can control yourself while being water you can go in people's lungs and drown them!

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    What's cool about turning into water?

    Presumably, it works better when you don't only get to use it when your twin is nearby and you can become something better than an ice bucket. The Justice League version of that character was pretty cool.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    What's cool about turning into water?

    Presumably, it works better when you don't only get to use it when your twin is nearby and you can become something better than an ice bucket. The Justice League version of that character was pretty cool.

    I doubt this show itself, much less a short online version of it, has the budget to really do anything interesting.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    And Flint is the most pathetic level 5 villain.

    Well to be fair there is Jesse the "you dont want to know" screamer. Who is deafeted through the magic of choking.

    Theres the german magento who gets scared really easily.

    Theres a vortex guy who would rather off himself then kill a bad guy.

    And of course Noah. Who has the power to be a total asshole to everyone.

    Its probably the tamest bunch of psychopaths ever.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Which would explain why it's so easy to get in and out, apparently. No need for security with this bunch.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart about it.
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart about it.
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart

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  • DacDac Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    As for how turning into water is cool, see T-1000 and Majin Buu.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Which would explain why it's so easy to get in and out, apparently. No need for security with this bunch.
    If you think thats easy you should see level 2.

    Motherfucker dosent even have doors

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart about it.
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart about it.
    Taramoor wrote: »
    if they were smart

    You're not disagreeing with me, I take it.

    The potential is there, they just have a crappy writing staff who doesn't know what they have in their hands.

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Dac wrote: »
    As for how turning into water is cool, see T-1000 and Majin Buu.
    imagesuy5.jpg

    would like a word with you.

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  • Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You know how back in Season 1 everyone was an actual character, with many different traits and not just one that is the basis for their entire personality and everything they do?

    I miss that.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    As for how turning into water is cool, see T-1000 and Majin Buu.
    imagesuy5.jpg

    would like a word with you.

    Where's that from?

    Darkwing Duck?

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  • BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bedlam wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    As for how turning into water is cool, see T-1000 and Majin Buu.
    imagesuy5.jpg

    would like a word with you.

    Where's that from?

    Darkwing Duck?
    Thats the fucking liquidator and he is going to drown the shit out of all of you!

    (yes from darkwing duck)

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You know how back in Season 1 everyone was an actual character, with many different traits and not just one that is the basis for their entire personality and everything they do?

    I miss that.

    I swore it off after the Season 1 finale, and all my friends tried to get me to watch Season 2 when it started, because I was the one who was showing the Pilot to EVERYONE because I thought the show had so much potential. I'm so glad I stood my ground, because it just is such a shame.

    I will say though, the only reason I'm IN this thread is because I have found that this show is AWESOME when it's dumbed down and explained by people like you, and my friends and family. I love asking people who happened, because it's always a mix of "thats kinda neat" and just pure hilarity. The show is awesome when you summarize it in 5 minutes and laugh off all the rest.

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  • Buster BladeBuster Blade Katy, TxRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I have been enjoying the season so far, not all of it but a lot of it. But i have a complaint. Have the writers forgotten they can go back and watch the old episodes and make sure that these in the "past, so many months ago" episodes don't conflict with your first season. 3 examples:

    Someone already noted that a year ago sylar was talking to Daddy suresh and showing him his powers not dating elle

    near the end of the episode HRG gets in the cab of Mohinder after peter (this happens in the first episode ever) and there are many things wrong here. Peter met mohinder after his dad died six months before yet the very next scene the family is finding Papa Pet. has just died. Why is mohinder already in New york, sylar has to kill papa suresh first for mohinder to even come to New York and Sylar had just killed that emo guy the night before.

    finally when Meredith caused the train crash and was released and we all saw claire was rescuing the guy from said crash. If the train crash is happening at the same time Papa pet. is "dying" which i guess because Hiro is on this spirit walk/dream how can this been when in the first season we learn that Papa died six months before the 1st episode which is when the train crash happens. What the ?????

    I hope that made sense, it has been bothering me all day.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Schrodinger, I'm sorry for trying to defend the show against your complaints earlier this season and suggesting you should just stop watching.

    Every episode this season I am shocked at how exponentially worse it keeps getting, but I cannot resist the urge to continue watching. I didn't think anything could be worse than Lost's first half of Season 3, but here it is.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    near the end of the episode HRG gets in the cab of Mohinder after peter (this happens in the first episode ever) and there are many things wrong here. Peter met mohinder after his dad died six months before yet the very next scene the family is finding Papa Pet. has just died. Why is mohinder already in New york, sylar has to kill papa suresh first for mohinder to even come to New York and Sylar had just killed that emo guy the night before.
    Suresh died right before the start of season one, not six months earlier, but you're right, that's a major plot hole. Inserting the stuff from this episode, this is the Sylar timeline:

    * Sylar kills TK guy
    * Regrets it and attempts suicide, meets Elle
    * Elle convinces him to be a killer by killing finger-gun guy
    * Sylar returns to Suresh
    * Spends a while, almost six months, with Suresh finding more people with powers(as he tells Mohinder in season 1)
    * Suresh apparently figures it out and they have that phone argument Mohinder later hears
    * Sylar kills Suresh
    * HRG goes to India to get Suresh's research
    * Mohinder hears about it, comes to New York and gets a taxi
    * HRG goes back to New York and gets into Mohinder's taxi

    Except in this episode, it's clearly implied that HRG gets into Mohinder's taxi immediately after making the tapes of the killing. What happened to all Sylar's time with Suresh and HRG's trip to India? Heroes' writers are incompetent.

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  • Buster BladeBuster Blade Katy, TxRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Sorry wasn't being clear, I meant Peter's dad not suresh. Peter's Dad supposely died six months before episode one but this episode suggests otherwise

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Oh, well yeah, it's the same plot hole. The problem being that the writers completely forgot that they were crossing a span of six months when they wrote that scene. Not only is there no indication of skipping back and forth in time(which could theoretically happen in a "spirit walk") but HRG's call to the company and conversation with Elle was obviously written as if it just happened. As for Meredith, I don't think there's any proof that her incident didn't happen at the beginning of season 1, but yeah it's quite possible they blew it there too.

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  • CheerfulBearCheerfulBear Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Perhaps it would have been better if the episode had had a more stream-of-consciousness feel to it, without all the "One Year Ago" reminders, as if Hiro was just witnessing a bunch of interrelated events that happened around the same time in the past.

    I also find that some of the ideas in this episode were rather interesting, such as the various forking path choices that came up, and some of the bad guys showing moments of compassion, but really the execution was so poor and heavy-handed that it's very difficult to appreciate. And why couldn't they just have kept Sylar as he was, but given him another reason to strive to be a better dude? Give him, I don't know, a conscience, or some event that causes him to rethink his serial killing tendencies. Anything would probably be better than The Hunger. Bah.

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