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correct use of irony

valtzyvaltzy Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm writing a paper and I've hit a snag:

"Aluminum is the most abundant metal present in the Earth. In a rare case of irony, it has absolutely no known physiological function and is consequently involved in a number of diseases and conditions such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. "

It seems like this is more of a coincidence than irony. But I want it to be ironic because it it's on the tipping point of it being irony (and it is absolutely rare to find an actual case of actual irony).

My reasoning for it being ironic is that abundant elements are generally usable by the human body such as oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, sulfur etc. One would think that such a daily exposure to aluminum would imply that over the eons our body would have evolved some sort of physiological use for it, which it hasn't, at all.

However, having to explain all of this makes it seem less ironic as it is not immediately noticeable and sort of takes the punch out of the statement.

SO, is it irony, or at least some form of irony?

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  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Irony is when the literal meaning and the intended meaning are opposite. There's nothing here to describe irony at all.

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  • meekermeeker Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Not at all. And the statement seems to be conjecture that you for some reason present as fact. Aluminum has many forms that are beneficial to human function. There are many compounds and materials that our bodies do not process that still prove to be beneficial to humanity.

    For instance, imagine how bad you would smell if not for Aluminum.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiperspirant

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  • Farout FoolioFarout Foolio Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It would be ironic if the element's name was... Healthycite and it caused cancer.

    And when it's rainin' on my wedding daaay hay haaaaay~

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2008
    To quote the best TV show ever:

    The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that is irony!

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  • ShankusuShankusu __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    There's more to irony than "when the literal meaning and the intended meaning are opposite." That's just one type of irony, and just because a character on a t.v. show says it doesn't mean it's true.

    Look at the wikipedia entrance for irony. A lot of people seem to think that the only true form of irony is sarcasm; don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm pretty sure Aluminium isn't actually linked to Alzheimer's or Breast Cancer.

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Also, if this was ironic, why would it be a "rare case?"

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  • TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shankusu wrote: »
    There's more to irony than "when the literal meaning and the intended meaning are opposite." That's just one type of irony, and just because a character on a t.v. show says it doesn't mean it's true.

    Look at the wikipedia entrance for irony. A lot of people seem to think that the only true form of irony is sarcasm; don't listen to them, they don't know what they're talking about.

    thank you

    One definition of irony is "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."

    Might you expect aluminum to be used by the human body, especially given its abundance? Sure. Is it? No. 1+2 = irony.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It would be irony if something had all the properties of iron but was called something else.

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    KalTorak wrote: »
    It would be irony if something had all the properties of iron but was called something else.

    That's pretty awesome

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  • TaGuelleTaGuelle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If your facts are correct, then in my book, the use of irony there is fine.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If you need to stretch it into an ironic statement, you need to insert the additional qualifier of "common elements are all healthy except this fucker right here that we have a ton of".

    "While most of Earth's abundant elements are useful and even vital to sustaining life, in rare case of irony, Aluminum has absolutely no known physiological function and is consequently involved in a number of diseases and conditions such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. "

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  • valtzyvaltzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I was sort of working on Tossrock's definition, but if the majority of people don't think it's irony, then I guess it's not really irony.

    The entire thing was:

    Aluminum is the most abundant element present in the Earth’s crust. Generally, abundant elements are able to be utilized by the human body whether in trace amounts or fully incorporated into various structures. In a rare case of irony, it has absolutely no known physiological function and is consequently involved in a number of diseases such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. However, in a bizarre twist, it is also involved in an enormous amount of vaccinations through the use of adjuvants. The purpose of this seminar is two-fold: to expand upon the neurotoxicity and degenerative effects of aluminum and to elucidate the current mechanism of aluminum adjuvants on the human body.

    As for aluminum being linked to Alzheimer's and breast cancer, there is a lot of conjecture surrounding Aluminum's involvement, but most of it is "it's there, when cancer's there and it's awfully convenient seeing as Al's genotoxic and carcinogenic." I wouldn't say it's a definitive link, but it's awfully close.

    As for it being a 'rare case' of irony, irony is constantly being misused and an actual, true case of it is rarely seen.

    EDIT: well, i added the qualifier before I saw wasted pixel's post, thanks though!

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    KalTorak wrote: »
    It would be irony if something had all the properties of iron but was called something else.

    or if the word 'irony' was actually named after tin

    edit: don't say a 'rare case of irony'. it may be rare that the term is used correctly, but that doesn't mean ironic things aren't happening all the time

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    robothero wrote: »
    To quote the best TV show ever:

    The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that is irony!

    Your lyrics lack subtility! You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!

    I love that quote.

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  • devicesdevices Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    you simply need to re-word it.

    the irony is not in the fact that aluminum is not used by the body; it's in the fact that although it is such an overwhelming part of our daily lives, it is actually linked to serious physical ailments.

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  • CryogenCryogen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It would be ironic if the element's name was... Healthycite and it caused cancer.

    And when it's rainin' on my wedding daaay hay haaaaay~

    Not going to pretend its mine, but i saw a stand up comic once who correctly pointed out that the only irony in Alanis Morrissette's song is that she didnt actually demonstrate a single case of irony.

    Rain on your wedding day? Not ironic. Unless you're a meteoroligist, and you picked the day.

    A traffic jam when you're already late? Nope, unless you were the town planner on your way to make a speech on how you've improved traffic flow.

    It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife? Nope, and this is just fucking stupid.

    God i hate that song.
    In a rare case of irony, it has absolutely no known physiological function and is consequently involved in a number of diseases such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function.

    How is it being involved in those diseases a consequence of it having no known physiological function?

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  • valtzyvaltzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    well, on taking devices' advice, I have reworded it to (hopefully) get my intent of irony across:

    Aluminum is the most abundant element present in the Earth’s crust. It is ubiquitous in modern, industrialized society and pervades our daily lives. Ironically, this omnipresent element is involved in a number of diseases and conditions such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. It has absolutely no known innate physiological function. However, in a bizarre twist, it is also involved in an enormous amount of vaccinations through the use of adjuvants. The purpose of this seminar is two-fold: to expand upon the neurotoxicity and degenerative effects of aluminum and to elucidate the current mechanism of aluminum adjuvants on the human body.

    also, consequently is used wrong in the original paragraph, my bad.

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    "In a rare case of irony" is a bad way to start that sentence, because it alludes to a bunch of stuff that you're not really talking about anyway. Why not simply "Ironically, it has ..."

    edit: aaaand beat'n.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I take minor issue with the accuracy of this as well. By and large the compounds in our body are not especially common ones present in the earth. Most of the really common elements are only in trace amounts. I think the newer version is even less ironic then the first one.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cryogen wrote: »
    It would be ironic if the element's name was... Healthycite and it caused cancer.

    And when it's rainin' on my wedding daaay hay haaaaay~

    Not going to pretend its mine, but i saw a stand up comic once who correctly pointed out that the only irony in Alanis Morrissette's song is that she didnt actually demonstrate a single case of irony.

    Rain on your wedding day? Not ironic. Unless you're a meteoroligist, and you picked the day.

    A traffic jam when you're already late? Nope, unless you were the town planner on your way to make a speech on how you've improved traffic flow.

    It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife? Nope, and this is just fucking stupid.

    God i hate that song.
    In a rare case of irony, it has absolutely no known physiological function and is consequently involved in a number of diseases such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function.

    How is it being involved in those diseases a consequence of it having no known physiological function?

    Ed Byrne I believe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

    edit: also, there is nothing ironic about "Ironically, this omnipresent element is involved... "

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  • devicesdevices Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    valtzy wrote: »
    well, on taking devices' advice, I have reworded it to (hopefully) get my intent of irony across:

    Aluminum is the most abundant element present in the Earth’s crust. It is ubiquitous in modern, industrialized society and pervades our daily lives. Ironically, this omnipresent element is involved in a number of diseases and conditions such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. It has absolutely no known innate physiological function. However, in a bizarre twist, it is also involved in an enormous amount of vaccinations through the use of adjuvants. The purpose of this seminar is two-fold: to expand upon the neurotoxicity and degenerative effects of aluminum and to elucidate the current mechanism of aluminum adjuvants on the human body.

    also, consequently is used wrong in the original paragraph, my bad.

    that sounds a lot better. try replacing the first "involved" with "linked to" and the second "involved" with a word like "utilized" though. it's not quite the right word to use for what you're wanting to say.

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  • valtzyvaltzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    well, balls. I'm not seeing how something that is omnipresent and linked to a number of diseases is not ironic since the very reason it is omnipresent is that it is believed to be safe enough to have such a constant exposure to it.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    valtzy wrote: »
    well, on taking devices' advice, I have reworded it to (hopefully) get my intent of irony across:

    Aluminum is the most abundant element present in the Earth’s crust. It is ubiquitous in modern, industrialized society and pervades our daily lives. Ironically, this omnipresent element is involved in a number of diseases and conditions such as Alzheimer’s, breast cancer, and impaired renal function. It has absolutely no known innate physiological function. However, in a bizarre twist, it is also involved in an enormous amount of vaccinations through the use of adjuvants. The purpose of this seminar is two-fold: to expand upon the neurotoxicity and degenerative effects of aluminum and to elucidate the current mechanism of aluminum adjuvants on the human body.

    also, consequently is used wrong in the original paragraph, my bad.

    You're using a lot of $5 words...is that how you really talk? If it is, cool, if not, write in your own voice. That paragraph kind of reads like a thesaurus wrote it.

    Also, your basic premise is factually wrong. Oxygen and silicon (in the form of silicate minerals) are the two most common elements in the earth's crust.

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  • valtzyvaltzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    well, it's for a seminar i have to do for one of my chemistry courses in college. so yes, 5$ words all the way despite how incredibly false it may seem. i suppose i may have overdone it, but I was trying to get the point across that it's everywhere succinctly.

    and after double checking the wikipedia page for aluminum, i am inclined to believe you and amend that particular fact.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Man what? If I was using that terminology in one of my chem courses I think my prof would laugh me out of the room.

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  • SanguiniusSanguinius Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Wow, really?

    It gests the point across and they are generally correct in use.

    I would probably say that the use of the word irony is a little forced - perhaps something like 'oddly enough' rather than 'ironically' because I always thought that the point of irony was intent - there usually is an actor who is doing one thing, with the other consequence occurring.

    In this case, there isn't any actor per se - so who is it ironic for?

    Humans in general, I guess. But even still, it's unusual terminology.

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  • CryogenCryogen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    valtzy wrote: »
    well, balls. I'm not seeing how something that is omnipresent and linked to a number of diseases is not ironic since the very reason it is omnipresent is that it is believed to be safe enough to have such a constant exposure to it.

    I still dont find this to be ironic. Just because its common, but happens to be linked to some serious diseases, doesnt make it ironic. If it was a major construction component of a facility for people with alzheimers and was selected primarily for its safe properties, then we learned it causes alzheimers, that would be ironic.

    Its everywhere, but it happens to be bad for us? Not ironic, just bad luck.

    On a related tangent, i had no idea aluminium had been linked to any diseases/conditions! Source?



    Rook - Yes! Ed Byrne! Went and saw him a few years ago, he was fantastic.

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  • BoutrosBoutros Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Aluminum may be a fairly large constituent of the earth's crust, but I don't think it naturally occurs in pure form, and the technology to refine bauxite and other aluminum ores has not been around very long, maybe 200 years or so.

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  • PojacoPojaco Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    A lot of bike frames are aluminum. They're not ideal, but they're certainly useful

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cryogen wrote: »
    On a related tangent, i had no idea aluminium had been linked to any diseases/conditions! Source?

    There was a study awhile back about anti-perspirants being possibly linked to breast cancer, but the methodology of the study was extremely poor and subsequent studies have shown there's no increased risk factor. It was thought to be possibly linked to Alzheimers but again, further studies haven't backed this up and there's no causal relationship.

    As for kidneys, in massive quantities, or if you have a defect in your ability to deal with aluminium it can impair function, but in these super high doses pretty much everything is toxic so it's not much of a surprise.

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  • ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Aluminium is nothing like Iron. Amongst other things, Alu has 2,8,3 electrons per shell, while Iron has 2,8,14,2

    It's not at all accurate to say Aluminium is irony.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I found it interesting that such a rare case of irony turned out to be the most common one- incorrect usage!

    (how ironic)

    oh god, please kill me

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