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The worst system ever made: 20 Years Later.

Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
edited November 2008 in Games and Technology
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Twenty years or so ago, this system was aborted onto Japanese shores by a little known AMERICAN arcade company known as SEGA. Let us reflect on twenty years of gensisn't, and what's to come. Favorite games, favorite experiences, what have you, let's hear them.

Personally, I've had one for about fifteen years, and unfortunately it's been a bit of a downer. I have difficulty finding new and interesting games for the thing, or games that aren't NHL '94.

Not that I don't dislike the MD. Sega Channel has been amazing, and I actually have about 15 SMS games, even though I own so few retail games.

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  • TrueHereticXTrueHereticX We are the future Charles, not them. They no longer matter. Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    My family's second console (our first was the Master System)

    First game I ever played was the original Sonic

    Oh how the mighty have fallen

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sega is making a rebound though.

    Their Wii/DS lineup for second half 08 through 09 is nothing short of amazing.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm not really sure how they're an American company when they'd been based in Japan for 35 years.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm really sorry to see that the dream cast was so underrated. I mean now many people appreciate it more but the dream cast was something that most people I knew just sort of blew off on.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    to be fair, isn't wasn't the fans fault, but the developers. For some reason, everyone left the DC for the PS2. I didn't really notice it until all I saw for new DC games were things I felt I could find in an arcade.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Basticle wrote: »
    I'm not really sure how they're an American company when they'd been based in Japan for 35 years.

    Founded by Americans. Kinda like how Obama is a Muslim by completely not being one.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sega is making a rebound though.

    Their Wii/DS lineup for second half 08 through 09 is nothing short of amazing.

    yes, especially the games they're not actually making!

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Genesis was the shit, and I mean that in a good way.


    God I would game that girl, and I would game it hard

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sega is making a rebound though.

    Their Wii/DS lineup for second half 08 through 09 is nothing short of amazing.

    yes, especially the games they're not actually making!

    Producing is the most important part of the chain.

    You take all the risks, you get all the rewards.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    oh hey this thread must be really serious

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  • ArthilArthil Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Can you guys not realize this is mocking the 360 thread? Either way, I was able to get one from my friend when I was 11 or so, and it was played just as much as my N64 was.

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  • ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Some amazing under-appreciated Shumps on this little gem of a system.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    oh hey this thread must be really serious

    It's serious in that the Genesis did come out twenty years ago yesterday in Japan and it should be remembered.

    As an SNES lifer, I'm remembering it FONDLY.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    IC WAT U DID THER

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  • BelruelBelruel NARUTO FUCKS Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    hahaha i see what you did here sir, good show

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Arthil wrote: »
    Can you guys not realize this is mocking the 360 thread? Either way, I was able to get one from my friend when I was 11 or so, and it was played just as much as my N64 was.

    What 360 thread?

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I really do admire the Genesis though, even though I don't often play it.

    The reason being? It put up such a fight against Nintendo, and split the world into east versus west.

    Genesis was first out of the gate, got the big western support, had the incredible ad and word of mouth campaign. Sega was cool.

    SNES had the amazing graphics, incredible sound, the eastern support, yet it was two years later and had a lot of ground to cover.

    SEGA had the CD, the 32x, arguably the finest hummingbird based shooter, blood in MK1, more sports games, Sonic.

    SNES had the Playstation (didn't come out) better controls in MK1, less sports games, oh, and arguably the finest library of Japanese games to ever grace one system.

    But still, Genesis was a fighter.

    360 is close to putting up a fight against the Wii. This time the battlefield has shifted. Instead of just west versus east it is West+PC+mainstream HD graphics versus East+casuals+waggle.

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  • Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    TSR is going to have your heads.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Belruel wrote: »
    hahaha i see what you did here sir, good show

    Don't congratulate him, it'll only make him stronger

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  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    God I miss the sega channel

    Fuckers were too far ahead of their time :(

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    TSR is going to have your heads.

    He's hiding in GAF, waiting for his moment to strike. He gives my heart no fear, as any true Nintendo fanboy is immune to anything Sega throws at us from that era.

    Besides Segata of course. You'd be a fool not to fear him. But that should be saved for a Saturn landmark anyways.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The Genesis had some awesome games.

    And some real stinkers.

    Remember that Barney game? Yikes.

    But the Tiny Toon Adventures game? Awesome.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Also: More consoles should have/Should of Have a headphone jack.

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  • donhonkdonhonk Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I found a Genesis with 20 games for 20 bucks at Goodwill, also 2 controllers.

    Then I found a Genesis model 2 for 5 bucks yesterday, it is awesome.

    Whats the difference between them though?

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  • JeanJean Heartbroken papa bear Gatineau, QuébecRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    My fav Genesis game gotta be Shinobi 3. What a fine piece of 2D ninja action 8)

    I have a soft spot for Vectorman also, as well as Sonic 2, my favourite Sonic game ever.

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  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I downloaded Wonderboy in Monster World the other day.

    Not as fond as I had remembered.

    Sorry, TSR!

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yeah I played it on Gametap and just wasn't seeing the appeal. Ah well.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    donhonk wrote: »
    I found a Genesis with 20 games for 20 bucks at Goodwill, also 2 controllers.

    Then I found a Genesis model 2 for 5 bucks yesterday, it is awesome.

    Whats the difference between them though?

    MD/Genesis

    JAPAN

    Japanese-language settings
    Headphone jack
    AUX port marked A/V OUT
    9-pin EXT. port
    No internal RF modulator
    Has a cartridge lock
    On the circular molding, in purple is the text "AV Intelligent Terminal High Grade Multipurpose Use". At the bottom of the circle is a purple square section with a red power indicator LED.
    "Mega Drive" is printed in white on the lower right of the console to the left of the Sega logo.
    The reset button and start button on the joypad are blue.
    Model number HAA-2510

    Europe, Australia, and New Zealand

    The original PAL Mega Drive

    Two versions of the Mega Drive controller: three-button (top) and six-button (bottom) pads
    Converted to display PAL 50 Hz signal
    English-language settings
    Unable to play Japanese Mega Drive games due to shape of cartridge and console. However, adapters were sold to play Japanese games in the European model.
    Cartridge lock removed
    The text "High Definition Graphics · Stereo Sound" located behind cartridge port (only found on earlier models).
    The reset button and the start button are white.
    Model number 1600-03 (original model), 1601-03 (second variation without "High Definition Graphics - Stereo Sound" text or EXT port)

    Brazil
    Converted to display PAL-M (60 Hz) signal
    English-language settings
    Unable to play Japanese and European Mega Drive games due to region limitation. However, adapters were sold to play Japanese and European games in the Brazilian model.
    Cartridge lock removed
    Toymaker Tec Toy manufactured and distributed the console.
    The text "High Definition Graphics · Stereo Sound" located behind cartridge port (only found on earlier models).
    The reset button and the start button are white.

    Asia

    Asian PAL Mega Drive

    This console is a variant of the European Mega Drive and often mistaken for a Japanese Mega Drive.
    No text printed around circle
    Larger "16-Bit" logo used
    Power panel magenta instead of white.
    "Start" and "Reset" button are blue
    Identical to European Mega Drive with PAL or NTSC output
    Used Japanese Mega Drive logo and packaging similar to the Japanese version
    Games packaged the same as European with the same labeling. However, the cartridges are shaped like Japanese Mega Drive games.
    Model number: 1601-15 (revision without the EXT port)

    Sega Genesis (North America)

    Early North American Sega Genesis Model #1 with "High Definition Graphics" logo
    Headphone jack
    AUX port marked A/V OUT
    9-pin EXT. port on early models
    Reset and start buttons are gray
    "Sega Genesis" in white on top of machine below cartridge slot
    Model number MK-1601 is made in Japan, newer revisions were made in Taiwan to cut production costs

    Japan

    Japanese Sega Mega Drive II
    New square shape
    No headphone jack
    One custom multi-output for picture and sound
    Red colored flaps on cartridge port
    The text "High Grade Multi Purpose Intelligent Terminal" located behind cartridge port.
    Packaged with six-button controller.
    No power LED

    Europe, Australia, and New Zealand

    Sega Mega Drive II, PAL version.
    New square shape
    No headphone jack
    A/V port switched to one custom multi-output for picture and sound (previously, only mono sound was used, as the stereo sound came through the headphone jack)
    Push-button power switch
    Power port smaller, and different AC adapter used
    RF modulator removed
    Has a red power LED between the power and reset buttons
    Auto-switching RF lead included
    Model number MK-1631-50

    Sega Genesis (North America, second model)

    Sega Genesis (second model), with clips in place on the cartridge slot to help accommodate a 32X system.

    Note: This model was not officially named "Genesis 2".
    New square shape
    No headphone jack
    One custom multi-output for picture and sound
    Has a red power LED between the power and reset buttons
    "Genesis" in square above cartridge slot
    Model number MK-1631

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm really sorry to see that the dream cast was so underrated. I mean now many people appreciate it more but the dream cast was something that most people I knew just sort of blew off on.

    In Japan the Dreamcast actually went on to have a fairly long lifespan. It was no PS2 still but it had a long life and many new games made for it years after it was abandoned over here in North America. But yes you are right it was soooo underrated, it had so many cool things on it that other systems didnt have, it was ahead of its time, as were a lot of Sega systems. Look at Game Gear, that never really took off either, but it was full colour and backlit and had graphics on par with the SNES and yet was completely overlooked. It took Nintendo YEARS to get backlit colour gameboy, and their first attempt, Gameboy Color, was total trash.

    On the side of the system the OP was talking about, that system gave us a few of the best RPG's ever, Phantasy Star.

    EDIT: I also own 3 master systems.... i dont know if they all work...honestly i dont even remember where i picked them up, i know one i had as a kid...the other two i just kind of accumulated. I guess same reason i have 2 dreamcasts.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The fucking Game Gear had graphics on par with the SMS. As it was one. Only small. It also had a really shitty screen and really bad battery life. Also terrible games. There should have been just more SMS games on it with fixed resolution.

    Of course the GBC was a terrible attempt at being a color backlit system. It didn't have a back light at all. It did however have a very high quality screen, some of the best games ever, and a battery life longer than 29.3 minutes on 2 AA as opposed to SIX.

    Though on the subject of handhelds, the NOMAD does kick ass. If only for the size of the beast. I love it.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The fucking Game Gear had graphics on par with the SMS. As it was one. Only small. It also had a really shitty screen and really bad battery life. Also terrible games. There should have been just more SMS games on it with fixed resolution.

    Of course the GBC was a terrible attempt at being a color backlit system. It didn't have a back light at all. It did however have a very high quality screen, some of the best games ever, and a battery life longer than 29.3 minutes on 2 AA as opposed to SIX.

    Though on the subject of handhelds, the NOMAD does kick ass. If only for the size of the beast. I love it.

    as far as I'm concerend GBC games were made for the super game boy.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. SCRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I just wish Sega hadn't used Master System hardware as the sound processor for the Genesis/MD. I could never play my friend's Genesis because the BRANKs and BRONKs of that poor little Z80 trying to crank out music would literally give me a headache.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    My favorite Genesis game is still MUSHA. One of the best shmups ever.

    Shadow Dancer would also be high on the list, along with Streets of Rage.


    Still, I love my Sega Genesis to this day mostly for this little gem:

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    That +

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    = bliss. SNES who?

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    My favorite Genesis game is still MUSHA. One of the best shmups ever.

    Shadow Dancer would also be high on the list, along with Streets of Rage.


    Still, I love my Sega Genesis to this day mostly for this little gem:

    250px-Sega_Mega-CD_II_%28PAL%29.jpg


    That +

    256px-LTSS_E_Boxart.jpg

    = bliss. SNES who?

    I see your Lunar and I counteract with

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SING IT WITH ME PEOPLE!

    The blue hedgehog to the war is gone
    In the ranks of death you will find him
    SEGA's sword he hath girded on
    And his wild console slung behind him

    "Land of Play!" said the blue hedgehog
    "Though all the world betrays me
    One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
    One faithful fan shall praise thee!"

    The hedgehog fell but Nintendo's chain
    Could not bring that proud soul under
    The console he lov'd ne'er run again
    For he tore its chords asunder

    And said "No chains shall sully thee
    Thou soul of love and bravery!
    Thy games were made for the pure and free
    They shall never run in slavery!"

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    My favorite Genesis game is still MUSHA. One of the best shmups ever.

    Shadow Dancer would also be high on the list, along with Streets of Rage.


    Still, I love my Sega Genesis to this day mostly for this little gem:

    250px-Sega_Mega-CD_II_%28PAL%29.jpg


    That +

    256px-LTSS_E_Boxart.jpg

    = bliss. SNES who?

    You win this thread sir. I tip my hat. Lunar is one of my all time favourite games and i have the big fancy box remake with all the cool stuff in it for PS1. Man that game is worth a stupid amount of money.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It kind of saddens me that Silver Star Story Complete is worth more than The Silver Star, since the latter is so much better.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    My favorite Genesis game is still MUSHA. One of the best shmups ever.

    Shadow Dancer would also be high on the list, along with Streets of Rage.


    Still, I love my Sega Genesis to this day mostly for this little gem:

    250px-Sega_Mega-CD_II_%28PAL%29.jpg


    That +

    256px-LTSS_E_Boxart.jpg

    = bliss. SNES who?

    I see your Lunar and I counteract with

    Chrono_Trigger.jpg


    I see your Chrono Trigger and counter with

    LunarEBcover.png

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    It kind of saddens me that Silver Star Story Complete is worth more than The Silver Star, since the latter is so much better.

    Other than its the exact same game except complete is uncut and has cool cutscenes, voice acting and a massively improved musical score...wait how is Silver Star the original better?

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    It kind of saddens me that Silver Star Story Complete is worth more than The Silver Star, since the latter is so much better.

    Other than its the exact same game except complete is uncut and has cool cutscenes, voice acting and a massively improved musical score...wait how is Silver Star the original better?

    Complete is uncut? You've got that mixed up.

    They removed a ton from the original game. The dungeons are all smaller, as is the overworld, no random battles(which makes it much easier), and they changed a ton of aspects to the story. You probably shouldn't read this if you haven't played Lunar.

    In the original:
    Ghaleon murders Quark in cold blood after betraying Alex(no capture).
    Royce and Phacia don't exist.
    Alex plays a harp.
    Luna doesn't go to Meribia with Alex.
    The Vile Tribe kidnaps all of Burg's townspeople and replaces Alex's parents with demons after Quark's death.
    Ghaleon has a completely different demonic-esque final form.

    I could probably go on, but that's the major stuff.

    The remake has a lot more polish, but I think it took away too much from what I enjoyed about the original.

    And Eternal Blue for the Sega CD was stellar when it came out, since it had the same benefits of Lunar Complete; more animation, more voice acting, etc.

    The Complete Lunar 2 doesn't quite have the same impact. Not really a negative though, just a nitpick.

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