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Someone Rear-Ended Me, Circumvent Insurance?

DaemonionDaemonion Mountain ManUSARegistered User regular
edited November 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
Ha.

So an acquaintance hit my my car while it was parked in their driveway.


Since my car isn't exactly cheap, I estimate $2-$5k in damages (GTI MkV, fully loaded).

Is there a problem with avoiding going through insurance so her premiums don't go up, and me basically handing her (ha, I know) the repair bill from the shop? Money isn't an issue. However, I am leaving in a few hours (and I was hit about 2 hours ago) to leave out of state for seven days, and don't really have anyone to handle anything regarding my car until I get back, so it pretty much has to sit for a week no matter what.


Thanks guys.


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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    The only problem would be if she doesn't pay the bill. If you're confident that she will then there's nothing illegal or fraudulent involved in what you are suggesting. Insurance companies only really care if you're costing them money, that's what affects premiums.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    That's what I thought. Thanks Szech.

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  • stawkstawk Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    just a tip have her sign some sort of contract so if she does try to dick you, you will have the legal system to back you.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    stawk wrote: »
    just a tip have her sign some sort of contract so if she does try to dick you, you will have the legal system to back you.

    This.

    I seen enough Judge Judy to know how quickly things can turn bad.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I'd say make sure you have her insurance details anyway, and get two copies of the repair invoice. If your own insurance policy includes legal protection (as in, they'll pursue the party at fault for you) then I'd probably make them aware of it right now, but tell them you're sorting it out privately.

    It gives you the option of going the insurance route if she doesn't cough up, or pulls the old "I know I said I'd pay you back last month, but I will totally have the money in a fortnight's time".

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    When damages hit the multiple thousands, why in the world would you go around the auto coverage she has? She hit a PARKED CAR. Her premiums probably won't go up that badly. Plus, if her premiums go up, maybe she'll watch the road better and won't hit a kid next time.

    And as for the pay you back, you have a time window for insurance claims. If she drags it out, you'll need to head to court and sue her. And that will be time consuming AND cost money. File an insurance claim against her.

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  • TopiaTopia Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    When damages hit the multiple thousands, why in the world would you go around the auto coverage she has? She hit a PARKED CAR. Her premiums probably won't go up that badly. Plus, if her premiums go up, maybe she'll watch the road better and won't hit a kid next time.

    And as for the pay you back, you have a time window for insurance claims. If she drags it out, you'll need to head to court and sue her. And that will be time consuming AND cost money. File an insurance claim against her.

    Absolutely this. Unless this person is super important to you and you KNOW you can asolutely trust her, then maybe ignore insurance. But generally you shouldn't trust people with this much money.

    I especially agree with the "maybe she'll watch the road better and won't hit a kid next time." The car was unmoving. People need to learn how to drive safely, I worry too much about people when I see bad drivers. Unfortunately the only way to make some people learn is to punish...

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    Does she have enough money to provide the cash to pay for the repairs today? Like, right now? No payment plans?

    If not, you go through her insurance. Her premiums will go up but she won't pay as much out of pocket, and reminder: THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE INSURANCE. To use it!

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    There's almost no possible way that this could be less expensive for her than the insurance companies handling, unless she doesn't pay you the full expense of the repairs.

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  • Pure DinPure Din Boston-areaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I hit a parked car two years ago (>_>) and did about $1000 worth of damage to the other car and $300 to my own, but I still ended up paying less overall with the insurance. I remember feeling so terrible about getting into my first accident, as if it were the end of the world. It wasn't.

    Tell her it could be worse. My dad once parked his car in front of his house, and it got totaled by a girl on the way back from her driving test.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Pheezer wrote: »
    There's almost no possible way that this could be less expensive for her than the insurance companies handling, unless she doesn't pay you the full expense of the repairs.
    It could, however, be the breaking point at which they no longer insure her. Which is a requirement in most states.

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    It could, however, be the breaking point at which they no longer insure her. Which is a requirement in most states.

    If she has that many dings against her driving record, maybe she shouldn't be driving.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Alright, I guess trying to be a nice guy may not be the best idea ...

    I can't get the car into a shop until I get back in another 4 days or so. How should I handle this, then?


    Option A:
    1. Take car to repair shop as soon as I return; get estimate
    2. Show estimate to accidentee, ask if/how she intends to pay
    3. If she cannot pay at all or in a timely manner, proceed to:


    Option B:
    1. Tell lady friend I decided to report the accident, tough luck
    2. Call AAA, and be done with it

    - or -

    Option C:
    1. Call lousy driver and ask how she would handle $1.5k - $5k worth of damage (estimate)
    2. Based on her answer, proceed with option A or B

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Who is this lady? Friend? Girlfriend? Family?

    Call your insurance company ASAP. Even if you decide to not go after her insurance, you need to start the process. If an accident is not quickly reported, depending on your local auto laws, you may be shit out of luck.

    Do you really have 1.5k to 5k laying around that you don't need?

    Unless her driving record is atrocious, there is little way that her insurance premium increase will be worse than what the damages are to your car. Accidents fall off driving records in time.

    Seriously, this does not sound like scratched paint, but real actual damage that has a way of getting really expensive really fast. File an insurance claim.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    She's a friend who wants to pay but needs to see the total costs.


    What I'd like to be able to do is this:

    1. Open a claim
    2. Take the car in to get a damage estimate
    3. Show estimate to friend
    4a. Friend can pay; sign something between us; cancel claim and handle under the table
    4b. Friend can't pay; continue to move forward with claim



    ...or do I just need to forget about this whole "under the table" deal? I thought it would be helpful for her, but it sounds like it really won't be.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Daemonion wrote: »
    What I'd like to be able to do is this:

    1. Open a claim
    2. Take the car in to get a damage estimate
    3. Show estimate to friend
    4a. Friend can pay; sign something between us; cancel claim and handle under the table
    4b. Friend can't pay; continue to move forward with claim

    This is exactly what you should be doing. If you're involved in any accident you should be telling your insurance company, even if it wasn't your fault or you don't intend to claim. It doesn't count against you unless you actually proceed with the claim and the insurance company can't get the money back from the insurance company of the other party involved.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    japan wrote: »
    Daemonion wrote: »
    What I'd like to be able to do is this:

    1. Open a claim
    2. Take the car in to get a damage estimate
    3. Show estimate to friend
    4a. Friend can pay; sign something between us; cancel claim and handle under the table
    4b. Friend can't pay; continue to move forward with claim

    This is exactly what you should be doing. If you're involved in any accident you should be telling your insurance company, even if it wasn't your fault or you don't intend to claim. It doesn't count against you unless you actually proceed with the claim and the insurance company can't get the money back from the insurance company of the other party involved.

    Listen to japan because he works (or worked?) in a claims department for an insurance company, so he knows what he's talking about.

    Also what Pheezer and others have said about the likelihood that the increase in premiums will likely be less overall than forking out for the repairs herself. Although I guess some people prefer to handle one-off lump sum payments rather than increased monthly outgoings, even if the monthly increase is overall less than the one-off lump sum.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Thanks a lot, guys.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    DragonPup wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It could, however, be the breaking point at which they no longer insure her. Which is a requirement in most states.

    If she has that many dings against her driving record, maybe she shouldn't be driving.
    Never said she should be. It would be a reason she'd rather pay in cash though.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    in my experience people that are not familiar with cars always underestimate the cost of body work...

    i.e. "That ding? that's like $300 TOPS"... when it's 3 bent body panels requiring dent pulling, bumper support replacement, bondo, sanding, paint, etc. and costing thousands

    unless it really is just a scratch, you need to let her know that this will cost thousands, and she's much better off going through insurance

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