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door locks and stealing broadband (kinda)

Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
edited November 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
(sorry about my spelling im dyslexic)


basicly im moving to a new flat above the shop i work in.

i am probubly going to need to change the front door lock as i dont exactly have all the keys acconted for from the people that lived there before me. any know how easy/ or how much it would cost to change the lock. in nott 100% sure of the brand of lock. but its basicly a standaerd yale lock or very simaler.


the internet connection

in the shop there is an 8 meg connection (bt) and its all set up with cat5 running over the top of the celing tiles. an there is a hole in the roof that pipes go threw up into the flat thats soon to be mine. so its not going to much of a problem to stick and extra wire up ther to supply me. is this legal? would they know? (the connection is an 8 meg bt busines package) its a famly business so it will be fine with my boss. its just the provider.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I'm going to assume that the title is for effect.

    If it's okay with the owner of the connection then just running another cable from the router into your room shouldn't be a worry at all. Regarding locks, I'd check with the landlord. If it is just a standard Yale lock it should be a very easy swap after buying a new one.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    well its more to do with its a business broad badnd for a shop. and id be running a cable up to supply a resedental flat above it

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    If you're really worried about it then get the owner to check his contract, but I doubt you'll run into any trouble. If you do any dodgy downloading you might be landing him in trouble though.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    ive not been able to find the contract. or terms etc.

    if i do do it and the provider finds out. are the likly to take legal or harsh actions first or more liklly to just contact and say "oi stop it" and then take actions if i carry on.

    the connection will basicly be used for my ps3 and 360 and the mrs's lappy. so no dodgy down loading

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    It'd be hard to say what actions they would take without reading the terms of service on his contract.

    If they have a stipulation for "no domestic use" then piping it into your flat above could potentially break the contract.

    However, since you reside in the same physical building, there really isn't a reason why they would care... your connection is just another cable in the contract owners building. The only way that may be a "gotcha" is if that is being seen as basically reselling the service he is getting (regardless of him charging you).

    I really doubt there would be much trouble with it so long as the business owner is fine with it, the ISP won't know any different unless you start doing things that they monitor (P2P traffic, massive downloads, etc). They really won't care about porn (unless you live somewhere that does monitor this of course). Running certain types of servers may be disallowed (even on a business connection) depending upon the contract terms.


    As for the lock, it's usually cheap to get done, but will depend upon the number of doors, the rate of the locksmith doing the job, and the cost of the lock(s) you are replacing it with. Assuming one door and a fairly average lock you could easily pay less than $100 (in the USA) so long as the locksmith isn't driving a long distance from where you are. You could also do it yourself and pay far less.
    Also, if you have a landlord for the property, they may be the one's doing the change, so ask about that (since that is no different than having an issue with heating/water/etc.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    There is no need to get a locksmith. I changed the deadbolts on my mom's house at 18 with no training or anything, you just need a screwdriver and there are instructions that come with the lock.

    Your landlord might be willing to change the locks for you, and in any case needs to be notified before you do anything like that.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    My experience is that providers don't want cheaper "home" internet connections used for business or heavy download/uploading, but using the more expensive business connection for a little light home use shouldn't matter.

    Replacing a lock shouldn't be too hard....buy the lock, install with screw driver.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The restrictions regarding business and residential line use is from different government standards regarding the physical lines and response times to issues around service fulfillment, and have nothing to do with supply or content. You can use a provider however you see fit, if the owner of the connection is okay with it.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    FWIW, BT does tend to get a bit huffy about sharing of business connections. I have a friend who runs a coffee shop, getting Business ADSL is cheap, getting Business ADSL that you're allowed to let other people use (she wanted free wifi for customers) is incredibly expensive.

    EDIT: having said that, I really doubt they're likely to find out, and if you're an employee anyway that probably changes things, so I have no idea if the same rules would apply.

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Having a connection for public access or resale is a different (and more expensive!) beastie, but japan is quite correct.

    In this case though, being that it is one individual who also belongs to the business, you could make a pretty solid argument for private use.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    There is no way the provider would ever know the difference. It's just another computer sending packets from the same connection... they'd have no way of knowing whether it was coming from inside the shop or over a wireless connection from across the street.

    Your landlord will want to change the locks him or herself or get a locksmith. Changing them without asking is most certainly verboten.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I was going to say that depending on the shop, it's not likely that the 25GB porn torrent in the wee hours of the morning will be for business practices, but then again who is to say it isn't?

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  • SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Heh, more or less, I'd say. In many cases (at least with the ISP's I've worked with) that business connection is in play for facilitating dowloads as massive as you need them to be, could be autocad, could be teh galactic compendium of Prawn.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    You can't use a residential line for business purposes but you can the other way around. This is because typically the residential lines are cheaper.

    It's much like a home business, typically the phone line will be a business one and you can make personal calls on it.

    Regardless it would not be hard to ring up and ask your provider.

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  • Conroy BumpasConroy Bumpas Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    so they wouldnt be able to tell its a 360 or a ps3?

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    so they wouldnt be able to tell its a 360 or a ps3?

    If you want to get techincal of course they can. It's just a matter of do they have a reason to look and inspect where the packets are going to/from and what they contain or not. Also, who is to say that ps3/360/wii isn't in an employee lounge or the bosses office. Personal traffic =/= residential use, so they would have to really focus in on the traffic from the shop to model it and see what it's doing. As I mentioned before, the only thing to really be wary of is things they contractually don't want done on their connections (running disallowed servers, using more than the allotted bandwidth, etc).

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