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Obama's Cabinet, and Such
ElJeffe
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So let's talk about Obama's incoming staff, his new cabinet, and other such stuff. What will his cabinet look like? What do his current picks say about his governing philosophy?
This thread is NOT a place to discuss anything dimly related to Obama. Do not mention his poll numbers. Do not deconstruct the 2008 election. Do not mention McCain or Palin unless they're rumored to be part of Obama's staff. Stay on-fucking-topic, or I will end you.
For starters, here's a link to some analyses-from-the-right of Obama's actions thus far. There's some thoughtful stuff in there, from-the-right though it may be. Warning: Do not read Mark Moyar's comments, because they will make your brain liquify and seep out your nostrils.
Thus far, Obama's staffing picks, headed by Rahm Emmanuel, imply an administration that will not be fucking around. This strikes me as good. The rumor that Hillary will be SecState (still a rumor, right?) strikes me as... suboptimal. Seriously? Hillary? As SecState? Why?
So, yeah. Discuss.
This thread is NOT a place to discuss anything dimly related to Obama. Do not mention his poll numbers. Do not deconstruct the 2008 election. Do not mention McCain or Palin unless they're rumored to be part of Obama's staff. Stay on-fucking-topic, or I will end you.
For starters, here's a link to some analyses-from-the-right of Obama's actions thus far. There's some thoughtful stuff in there, from-the-right though it may be. Warning: Do not read Mark Moyar's comments, because they will make your brain liquify and seep out your nostrils.
Thus far, Obama's staffing picks, headed by Rahm Emmanuel, imply an administration that will not be fucking around. This strikes me as good. The rumor that Hillary will be SecState (still a rumor, right?) strikes me as... suboptimal. Seriously? Hillary? As SecState? Why?
So, yeah. Discuss.
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As a SecState....well the jokes write themselves with the primary events.
This seems to me like a veiled attempt to get more focus on McCain so press coverage is heavy for a McCain cabinet position.
Personally, I would prefer if she just returned to whichever circle of dante's inferno spawned her. If Obama does end up picking her, I won't be too annoyed at it I suppose.
Suppose Mark Begich and Al Franken win their respective Senate elections, but Jim Martin in Georgia loses his runoff. That would leave the Democrats at 59 votes, tantalizingly close to cloture on party lines alone (albeit with the help of Joe Lieberman).
But what if Obama nominated a Republican Senator from a state with a Democratic governor? Since the governor of that state would appoint the Senator's replacement, he could conceivably choose a Democrat to replace that Republican, thus getting the Democrats to 60 votes.
Two such candidates would be the Republican Senators from Maine: Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of whom are fairly moderate.
Conversely, Obama should probably avoid nominating Democratic Senators from states with Republican governors.
I'm not sure how much foreign policy experience she has, but Bill certainly does have the expertise... and you know that he's going to have a big say in policy matters if Hillary gets the job.
That's actually a big problem to nominating her to the position. Bill has a lot of wheelings and dealings around the world and with his charity, and there's a potential for conflict of interest if he gets too close to the leavers of power again. The question of Bill is probably the largest reason why we don't have VP elect Hillary, as they are loathe to go through a thorough vetting of their finances, and they've made massive bank since Bill left office.
Most states have rules stating you have to replace the outgoing senator with one from the same party.
For her it'd be a step down
This may be some left-over animosity from the primaries, but I'm not enthusiastic about this. I'd much prefer her as Senate majority leader, though that may be why Obama wants to get her out of the Senate. She's just as much of an obstacle as the republicans.
I disagree.
I think it would put her in a prime position for a 2016 Presidential bid. Nobody would be able to claim she was "inexperienced" after eight years in a senior executive role.
Inexperience wasn't really the rallying cry against Clinton was it?
She'll be almost 70 in 2016. No chance she'll run.
Secretary of State also hasn't been a stepping stone for running for the Presidency for a very long time. Early in American history it was common, but not anymore.
Because fuck yeah.
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It always becomes an issue once it gets to the real campaign. And real executive experience can't really hurt anybody's bid (unless they are incompetent, or part of an incompetent administration).
That didn't stop McCain, and she seems to be in much better health than most people her age. I could see it happening.
Secretary of State certainly isn't a step down from the Senate. I don't think she's going to find a more prestigious position between now and 2016.
There's something worrisome in that link:
Having a RIAA underling shaping the administration's approach to copyright law is disconcerting. The only other player that I can think of that I might like less in that position would be Disney.
I'm not positive that SecState is a good position to be in to run for president, because if Obama sucks, then Hilary is tied to him that much closer (like how McCain couldn't possibly choose Condie Rice because she was tied to Bush) but on the other hand, it puts her that much more in the history books, much more than being First Lady or being 1 out of a 100 senators would.
Well, barring her being Sec State over super awesome huge.
Also, when do administrations usually start announcing cabinet positions?
Until 2008, it had been decades since a Senator was elected President.
Times a changin.
I fully admit that I'd probably feel the opposite if Obama had lost, but since things worked out, I'm feeling okay about Hillary. Over the last few days, the more I think about her as Secretary of State, the more it sounds good. This feels like another "gut" feeling on the situation, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a convincing reason that she shouldn't have the position.
So weird, so cool.
Is Obama recreating the Clinton era?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7730485.stm
Also, the man looks like he would choose a credenza
Aw, damn it.
I don't like this. The Clintons may have a lot of international goodwill, but there are tons of more qualified diplomats out there. SecState is a position you definitely need experience for, but what kind of negotiations has Hillary done? The only thing that comes to mind is health care, and we all know how that went. Furthermore, the last thing we need are competing factions in the White House from the very beginning, which is what a Clinton appointment will bring.
Am I missing something? Are there any redeeming features tp this appointment besides the goodwill factor?
He could do a lot worse. Clinton administration without the drama? Yes, please.
Not until they renounce and extradite the Yankees.
I think most of the world would agree.
There's a reason why Clinton is so popular outside the US: he was a very good President, and excellent world leader.
Also, nobody outside the US cares about the whole sex scandal... the crazy overreaction by the Republicans was the bigger story here.
Napolitano was one name I've heard. But nothing solid.
Ugh, Fitzgerald would be a much better choice.
Or has all of the idle chatter been about SecState?
And her most recent credentials would be... his Secretary of State?
If she does take Secretary of State, she isn't running in 2012.
Edit: In fact, she isn't running at all in 2012.
She'd be Condi to his Bush in 12 is what I meant, and people already hate her.
The name I've heard is former (yes, under Clinton) Secretary of the Navy Richard Danzig.