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Pay for Opera, say Nintendo. Browser update to cost 500 points.
Theres plenty of flash and freeware games out there.
But Microsoft makes you pay for XBox Live Arcade games! The nerve of those people! Making you pay for something that costs money!
Because the time and money invested in the Opera browser for the Wii is certainly as big as those XBLA titles.
But you're right, they should remove the News and Weather channels and sell them instead. We've been way too spoiled. Getting shit for free. Now look at us. We expect our actual games and consoles to be free too, these days. Or we don't.
Yes, Opera software, a company of over 400 people put in less effort on their software than random XBLA titles.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Also, Microsoft has more people working for them. So THEY should charge WAY more for Internet Explorer, right?
EDIT: Wiimotes are nice and all, but they'll never replace the comfort and convenience of the mouse for browsing.
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual)(ain't I mature?) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual)(ain't I mature?) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Are you saying that "Hearts" (WHICH IS FREE ON THE PC OMG OMG) had more work put into it?
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual)(ain't I mature?) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Are you saying that "Hearts" (WHICH IS FREE ON THE PC OMG OMG) had more work put into it?
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual)(ain't I mature?) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Are you saying that "Hearts" (WHICH IS FREE ON THE PC OMG OMG) had more work put into it?
Isn't Opera free on the PC?
Also, yes, actually.
And you fail to support your own argument. Hearts is free on the PC, paid for on the X360. Why are they allowed to commit such a crime? How dare they make you pay for something for which there is a similar product on some other platform made somewhere else for free?!
Opera software exclusively works on the Opera browser, in its various forms. Your (idiotic, as usual)(ain't I mature?) point was that the Opera browser has less time and money invested in it than the XBLA titles, which is why they are allowed to charge money. Some of these titles include "Hearts", "Uno" and "Backgammon". Do the math.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Are you saying that "Hearts" (WHICH IS FREE ON THE PC OMG OMG) had more work put into it?
Isn't Opera free on the PC?
Also, yes, actually.
And you fail to support your own argument. Hearts is free on the PC, paid for on the X360. Why are they allowed to commit such a crime? How dare they make you pay for something for which there is a similar product on some other platform made somewhere else for free?!
Wouldn't the biggest argument here be that the lion's share of available browsers are free, and the the lion's share of games are not? There are only three non-free browsers listed on Wikipedia, being Omni (never heard of it), Internet Explorer (arguable, as the cost is a valid Windows license and this can be dodged by pirating XP or Vista), and Opera Mobile (surprise surprise). It just seems a bit grabby to me, and probably to a lot of other people as well.
This doesn't affect me as I sold my Wii to make a car payment, but unless I was absolutely hard-up for a browser I wouldn't dream of dropping $5 on one. Especially a browser on a console.
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EvilBadmanDO NOT TRUST THIS MANRegistered Userregular
Ok so I give up, why do people give away free browsers on the pc? Do they just make their money on the shirt, hat, and mousepad sales or what?
Because they can (and do) charge for browsers on non-pc devices. Opera makes most of it's money from selling versions of it's browser for embedded devices and mobile phones. The PC browser is effectively a loss leader.
Editions of Opera are available for devices using the Symbian and Windows Mobile operating systems, as well as Java ME-enabled devices. In fact, approximately 40 million mobile phones have shipped with Opera pre-installed. Furthermore, Opera is the only commercial web browser available for the Nintendo DS and Wii gaming systems. Some television set-top boxes use Opera as well, and Adobe licensed Opera technology for use in the Adobe Creative Suite.
But then you have, say, chrome and safari.
Is it just mindshare for them?
Chrome is an exercise in Google trying to put pressure on other browser developers to focus more development on the areas it considers a priority for the rest of it's business model (the way it's designed makes it a much better platform for webapps than other browsers).
Safari, like much of OSX, is mostly based on open-source software (Webkit). It's considered part of Apple's software suite, in the same way that MS makes IE and ditributes for free, provided you already bought the OS.
Well, even on windows I can download safari for free (in fact they keep trying to force it on me whenever i update itunes), and I am pretty sure you can get some kind of IE for macs.
But so by and large it is a combination of open-source and complicated business models keeping things free, then?
But so by and large it is a combination of open-source and complicated business models keeping things free, then?
Pretty much. Whatever device you use a browser on, someone paid for it. MS and Apple do it to go with their OSes (I presume that the versions for other OSes are primarily marketing), Nintendo pays Opera for their browser, Sony licensed a browser called Netfront, the cost of which will be rolled into the general cost of production of the machine.
The OSS browsers are obviously something of a special case, but as far as device manufacturers are concerned, getting an OSS rendering engine working on specialist hardware is sufficiently difficult that it's worth paying someone to do it for you.
Speaking of which, I think I read somewhere on this very forum that the reasons that there is no 360 browser are:
No-one really wants one
Security risk (in no small part due to people particularly attacking microsoft products)
No one asked but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Oh! Would you say that the opera browser for pc is also a form of advertising, or maybe just because they can? It seems like if it's advertising, it's advertising to maybe the wrong people, since it's not like most home users are going to contract opera to build them a specialized browser. Maybe it is just getting their name known?
Well, even on windows I can download safari for free (in fact they keep trying to force it on me whenever i update itunes), and I am pretty sure you can get some kind of IE for macs.
But so by and large it is a combination of open-source and complicated business models keeping things free, then?
That hasn't been true for about 4 or 5 years, but there was indeed once a version of IE for Mac.
Safari is free for Win and Mac because it is in Apple's interests to have more sites compatible with Webkit, which means mores sites working properly in Safari and Safari Mobile (iPhone)
Speaking of which, my countdown of ways to browse the internet:
Safari on my MacBook
iPhone
PSP
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Dreamcast
Wii
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Commodore 64
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Atari VCS 2600
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DS Lite
I got it free two years ago and it is the only thing I turn my Wii on for these days. It is a quick internet access for me but I'll be damned if I'm paying for it.
They're just clarifying that if you've 'purchased' Opera, you will not be charged money to get the new version. I'm going to be pretty sure that all of you that got the browser for free will not have to pay for it.
Two, Opera is only free on desktops. Everywhere else it costs money.
Three, of the 3 consoles, only Wii Opera is actually usable. The PS3 browser would have been better off not being released, and the 360 doesn't even have one.
When I can downloaded browsers for free on my computer, then paying for one on my console is bad form.
Nintendo really doesn't get it.
Then don't pay for it. Nintendo will get the message.
Problem solved.
Quick Question: Will they be actually updating the browser significantly, or is it essentially going to be the same old Opera browser the Wii currently offers?
It will be updated significantly. They mentioned a while back that they could (for example) update to the latest Flash SDK available from Adobe, but Nintendo controls releases of Opera.
Pretty sure Opera Wii 2.0 will have Flash 9 support.
Let's not freak out until we have an official announcement. GoNintendo claims that this comes from Game Reactor, but the only article about the Wii browser is from 2006.
I was one of the fools who bought the ds browser. Fool me twice, shame on me~
Yep me too. What was I thinking?
I use the browser on the Wii a lot. I often want to quickly check my regular sites like PA and turning on the Wii is a hell of a lot quicker than going into the study and booting up the PC, especially if I'm already in front of the TV. Armchair web browsing is very comfortable too.
I'd gladly pay 500 points for flash support. However I'd place good money on this update being free to anyone already with the full browser. Nintendo would have to change the update process in the Wii shop in order to start charging for updates.
Guess I won't be upgrading the browser I stopped using the day after the Wii came out. It was fun for a second but its way more of a pain in the ass to surf the net on it. Hell I have a way better time and faster results going on my iPod to go online than to turn on my wii and go through the menus.
No seriously. Where does it say you have to pay for the new version if you got the old one when it was free?
What makes you think that it won't be like every other upgraded channel on the Wii, where once you have it in your shop account, you get the updated version for free?
Htown on
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Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
edited November 2008
I doubt they'll make you pay for the upgrade.
Personally I used it when it first came out, but I didn't want to use the memory on a browser, when I much rather the flash memory gets used to satisfy my VC and WiiWare addiciton. :P
They're just clarifying that if you've 'purchased' Opera, you will not be charged money to get the new version. I'm going to be pretty sure that all of you that got the browser for free will not have to pay for it.
Two, Opera is only free on desktops. Everywhere else it costs money.
Three, of the 3 consoles, only Wii Opera is actually usable. The PS3 browser would have been better off not being released, and the 360 doesn't even have one.
Two: Opera on my blackberry was quite free. It continues to be free.
Three: PS3 browser works just fine, thankyouverymuch. Tabs work well, so does zooming, and it doesn't take an ice age to load like Opera. Using a mouse to browse is a much more comfortable experience than waving that wonking remote at the screen. I would contend that your statement here is spurious.
I love lounging on the couch using the Wii Remote as a mouse pointer. The brower is too damn slow though. If this update really speeds it up, I might consider buying it (I got the free one at launch). It's only 5 bucks. If I have to, I'll probably buy it just to see what's new, and then rarely use it. Updated Flash support would be nice. Again, it's 5 bucks. Safely in impluse buy territory for me, with zero buyers remorse if I never use it. Call me Richie Rich, I guess.
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The Wii has had support for USB keyboards in the Internet Channel since firmware version... 3.1, over a year ago.
Edit: And Wii remote pointing replaces mouse.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Also, Microsoft has more people working for them. So THEY should charge WAY more for Internet Explorer, right?
EDIT: Wiimotes are nice and all, but they'll never replace the comfort and convenience of the mouse for browsing.
Are you saying that every one of those members worked on this particular software?
Are you saying that "Hearts" (WHICH IS FREE ON THE PC OMG OMG) had more work put into it?
Isn't Opera free on the PC?
Also, yes, actually.
And you fail to support your own argument. Hearts is free on the PC, paid for on the X360. Why are they allowed to commit such a crime? How dare they make you pay for something for which there is a similar product on some other platform made somewhere else for free?!
Wouldn't the biggest argument here be that the lion's share of available browsers are free, and the the lion's share of games are not? There are only three non-free browsers listed on Wikipedia, being Omni (never heard of it), Internet Explorer (arguable, as the cost is a valid Windows license and this can be dodged by pirating XP or Vista), and Opera Mobile (surprise surprise). It just seems a bit grabby to me, and probably to a lot of other people as well.
This doesn't affect me as I sold my Wii to make a car payment, but unless I was absolutely hard-up for a browser I wouldn't dream of dropping $5 on one. Especially a browser on a console.
Because the internet is awesome that way and Open Source is a marvel.
The end.
Because they can (and do) charge for browsers on non-pc devices. Opera makes most of it's money from selling versions of it's browser for embedded devices and mobile phones. The PC browser is effectively a loss leader.
EDIT:
Is it just mindshare for them?
Chrome is an exercise in Google trying to put pressure on other browser developers to focus more development on the areas it considers a priority for the rest of it's business model (the way it's designed makes it a much better platform for webapps than other browsers).
Safari, like much of OSX, is mostly based on open-source software (Webkit). It's considered part of Apple's software suite, in the same way that MS makes IE and ditributes for free, provided you already bought the OS.
But so by and large it is a combination of open-source and complicated business models keeping things free, then?
Pretty much. Whatever device you use a browser on, someone paid for it. MS and Apple do it to go with their OSes (I presume that the versions for other OSes are primarily marketing), Nintendo pays Opera for their browser, Sony licensed a browser called Netfront, the cost of which will be rolled into the general cost of production of the machine.
The OSS browsers are obviously something of a special case, but as far as device manufacturers are concerned, getting an OSS rendering engine working on specialist hardware is sufficiently difficult that it's worth paying someone to do it for you.
Speaking of which, I think I read somewhere on this very forum that the reasons that there is no 360 browser are:
No-one really wants one
Security risk (in no small part due to people particularly attacking microsoft products)
No one asked but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Oh! Would you say that the opera browser for pc is also a form of advertising, or maybe just because they can? It seems like if it's advertising, it's advertising to maybe the wrong people, since it's not like most home users are going to contract opera to build them a specialized browser. Maybe it is just getting their name known?
That hasn't been true for about 4 or 5 years, but there was indeed once a version of IE for Mac.
Safari is free for Win and Mac because it is in Apple's interests to have more sites compatible with Webkit, which means mores sites working properly in Safari and Safari Mobile (iPhone)
Speaking of which, my countdown of ways to browse the internet:
Safari on my MacBook
iPhone
PSP
...
...
...
Dreamcast
Wii
...
...
Commodore 64
....
....
Atari VCS 2600
...
...
...
...
...
DS Lite
It is mediocre.
They're just clarifying that if you've 'purchased' Opera, you will not be charged money to get the new version. I'm going to be pretty sure that all of you that got the browser for free will not have to pay for it.
Two, Opera is only free on desktops. Everywhere else it costs money.
Three, of the 3 consoles, only Wii Opera is actually usable. The PS3 browser would have been better off not being released, and the 360 doesn't even have one.
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Nintendo really doesn't get it.
Then don't pay for it. Nintendo will get the message.
Problem solved.
Quick Question: Will they be actually updating the browser significantly, or is it essentially going to be the same old Opera browser the Wii currently offers?
Pretty sure Opera Wii 2.0 will have Flash 9 support.
But seriously, I've never seen so much crap over five dollars
Exactly where does that show any concrete info about the Wii browser being updated?
Yep me too. What was I thinking?
I use the browser on the Wii a lot. I often want to quickly check my regular sites like PA and turning on the Wii is a hell of a lot quicker than going into the study and booting up the PC, especially if I'm already in front of the TV. Armchair web browsing is very comfortable too.
I'd gladly pay 500 points for flash support. However I'd place good money on this update being free to anyone already with the full browser. Nintendo would have to change the update process in the Wii shop in order to start charging for updates.
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What makes you think that it won't be like every other upgraded channel on the Wii, where once you have it in your shop account, you get the updated version for free?
Personally I used it when it first came out, but I didn't want to use the memory on a browser, when I much rather the flash memory gets used to satisfy my VC and WiiWare addiciton. :P
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Two: Opera on my blackberry was quite free. It continues to be free.
Three: PS3 browser works just fine, thankyouverymuch. Tabs work well, so does zooming, and it doesn't take an ice age to load like Opera. Using a mouse to browse is a much more comfortable experience than waving that wonking remote at the screen. I would contend that your statement here is spurious.
One out of three ain't bad though :P
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Are you high?
Notice how Windows Live is free and XBL costs money?
Or how DLC is free on PC almost all the time and costs money on consoles?
Consoles overall have micropayments as an established part of their pricing models. PCs overall do not. This is not new.
I don't pay for browsers.
Opera's the one charging for it.
It's how their company makes money.