I sure thought she killed him. I really don't get how she couldn't tell he was human before bonking him, though. We've seen that she's able to determine Terminators vs. humans before, using her sensors or whatever. Maybe her sensors were screwed up from getting her ass kicked?
I think Cameron didn't bother to waste whole two or three seconds it would take to scan because she had literally just woken up and seen a male figure making what appeared to be a threating motion toward Lauren.
Keep in mind that the first time we saw that trick, Vick didn't bother to ID Cameron until after they went out a window together.
The geek who requires a fleshed out universe in me liked the future parts of this episode. We learn that Connor has not just the US but the entire world organized, and runs shipments between other countries with submarines, subs run by terminators. Go humans!
using large HK --> people hide underground
Using biped terminators on the ground --> humans spot metal from far away
Cover with rubber skin --> humans still spot them, but from not as far away
Cover with real skin --> humans use scales
Lighter models -- > humans use dogs
This is why they had that tiger in the cage. Tigernators are what they're going to send for the dogs. For bonus points, whenever they kill the dog, they say, "it's grrrrrrrrrreat."
I really didn't like the mom character. She seemed like she had a decent setup and almost cost her daughters their lives and got herself and her husband killed for her own self serving needs.
Dudes aren't the only ones that think with their crotch. She's probably the most realistic character they've had on in awhile.
One thing I;m not liking, though I know why they do it, is how many people from the future BAG has run into. Fair enough they're all from the LA area or wherever it takes place but still.
Yeah, fair call that BAG seems to meet/save pretty much everyone who plays some sort of role in the future. Starting to become a little hmmm.
I love the fleshed out universe that was given here - Australia is 'growing food again', which is great (and not only 'cause I'm Australian, heh) but it also implies that the US is not - which gives a pretty good indication of how screwed things must be.
I like the idea that family isn't able to hold it together - and that the mum, not the kid, gives things away and makes mistakes. I also like it that now there is another chick out there who is going to get totally hard core and prepared for the future. A proto-sarah, if you will.
Yeah, fair call that BAG seems to meet/save pretty much everyone who plays some sort of role in the future. Starting to become a little hmmm.
I love the fleshed out universe that was given here - Australia is 'growing food again', which is great (and not only 'cause I'm Australian, heh) but it also implies that the US is not - which gives a pretty good indication of how screwed things must be.
I like the idea that family isn't able to hold it together - and that the mum, not the kid, gives things away and makes mistakes. I also like it that now there is another chick out there who is going to get totally hard core and prepared for the future. A proto-sarah, if you will.
but if Sarah & the gang manage to avoid j-day altogether, there are a group of people going to be SO PISSED they lived in a hardened bunker for nothing.
Mind you, one of the last things the young girl asked about was 'what happens now?' and Sarah/BAG's response was pretty much, welp, you're on Skynet's list and there pretty much is no getting off it.
How would you ever know that Skynet was once and for all, for ever and ever defeated? Doesn't seem likely.
In fact, if Skynet was the sentient AI it was presumed to be, why not lurk for a decade or 5 - wait until it's very unlikely that John is alive, let alone a credible military threat? Start J-day in 2097 or something?
Mind you, one of the last things the young girl asked about was 'what happens now?' and Sarah/BAG's response was pretty much, welp, you're on Skynet's list and there pretty much is no getting off it.
How would you ever know that Skynet was once and for all, for ever and ever defeated? Doesn't seem likely.
In fact, if Skynet was the sentient AI it was presumed to be, why not lurk for a decade or 5 - wait until it's very unlikely that John is alive, let alone a credible military threat? Start J-day in 2097 or something?
I thought about that. Connor can pretty much get around it the way they already did in the series: just keep jumping into the future before judgement day.
Here's my plot hole:
The humans presumably win right? I mean even in the first movie they have skynet on the ropes.
Why has no one from the post-skynet era come back? 10 years, 60 years even further in the future with even better tech? With positive news of the outcome?
Here's my plot hole:
The humans presumably win right? I mean even in the first movie they have skynet on the ropes.
Why has no one from the post-skynet era come back? 10 years, 60 years even further in the future with even better tech? With positive news of the outcome?
Defeating skynet kills all the time machines?
Because that would be fucking with the timeline unnecessarily.
It is kinda pointless when you think about it. No matter how many AI programs they shut down there will be others not conveniently located in California and people will continue to pursue them as a legitimate step towards the future, Skynet will always come about, though why its called Skynet always is beyond me unless its always that the military buy it and name it such as a codename.
All Sarah is doing in her vain attempt is fucking things up worse by giving Skynet access to more advanced tech. I mean didn't it originally start in 1998? They barely had 4 basic tv stations here then and Sasha Grey had not yet come onto the porn scene. Skynet would be like running on tin-cans and shit, no wonder it was losing.
I totally never even thought of a post-Skynet type event.
That would be all sorts of totally awesome.
Why not indeed? After Skynet, people/cyborgs transcendant type beings would totally be able to out think/fight Skynet, no worries.
That's totally sweet - Skynet delays long enough for John Connor to die of old age. Unfortunately, the Singularity also occurs and 10,000 massively sentient AI's also appear.
Humanity enters a golden age, where man/machines laugh off the idea of attacks by AI as hopelessly naive.
Skynet dies of embarassment.
I did sort of, kind of allude to something like this previously - though not really. I like the idea of John Connor + other sentient AIs vs. Skynet, giving John a boost intellectually vs. more advanced Skynet.
I like the idea of post-apocalypse people even more, though. Surely, after the war has been won they would have the luxury of manipulating the timelines pretty much as they saw fit?
Right- every time they delay Judgment Day, they both help and hurt SkyNET. Every delay means more advanced systems start out on SkyNETs side...but on the other hand, every delay means the possibility of a new round of arms-reduction treaties reducing the number of missiles SkyNET will later have access to, the Japanese inch ever closer to creating a competing AI system, etc, etc.
Yeah - Russia, Japan, the US, and the UK all create sentient AI at or before Skynet becomes sentient.
The AI(s) are in controlled environments - kind of like Babylon is in the show - and whilst very smart, aren't actually hooked up to nuclear weapons.
Skynet is, though and the world goes to shit. So, the humans in the various parts around the world ask their AI's for help to defeat Skynet.
They, along with JC, do and Skynet goes down.
See, that last bit - with the sentient AI's - got totally shot down before. But I seriously think its about the only counter to smater and smater Skynets that is really feasible.
There's nothing about an AI that would intrinsically put it against mankind, after all. It isn't as if we need the same resources. SkyNET started out acting in self-defense and now has kind of committed itself to that strategy.
I mean, if it were really smart it'd have itself get created as a non-military AI in an experiment designed to produce a sentient AI. Then no one would go, "Hey it seems to be sentient, maybe we should unplug it before it nukes us....oh...darn..."
The MKV is designed to allow a single interceptor to destroy a ballistic missile equipped with multiple warheads or countermeasures. In Lockheed's design, a seeker-equipped carrier vehicle maneuvers into the path of the ballistic missile then dispenses and guides small kill vehicles to their targets.
In its first test, the MKV-L hovered for 20 seconds in a special facility at Edwards AFB, California, while recognizing and tracking a simulated target.
1) It became self aware. Humans tried to shut it off and 'kill it' .. so its acting in self defense
2) Skynet is created to protect humanity, and from its vantage point. humanity is on the verge of killing everything. Skynet takes it upon itself to kill humans to get them to a manageable level. For our best interests
The MKV is designed to allow a single interceptor to destroy a ballistic missile equipped with multiple warheads or countermeasures. In Lockheed's design, a seeker-equipped carrier vehicle maneuvers into the path of the ballistic missile then dispenses and guides small kill vehicles to their targets.
In its first test, the MKV-L hovered for 20 seconds in a special facility at Edwards AFB, California, while recognizing and tracking a simulated target.
In its second test, its target was man...
but its voice was too southern. "We can fix it in post production"
why isn't there more talk about this? it's so badass especially since i think we also get a glimpse of jesse at 1:30, and as we know where jesse is so is BAG (though both are not in imdb credits)
why isn't there more talk about this? it's so badass especially since i think we also get a glimpse of jesse at 1:30, and as we know where jesse is so is BAG (though both are not in imdb credits)
It is not Jesse. It is a different actress named Moon Bloodgood.
Trailer looks great, though. Should be a fun movie.
why isn't there more talk about this? it's so badass especially since i think we also get a glimpse of jesse at 1:30, and as we know where jesse is so is BAG (though both are not in imdb credits)
It is not Jesse. It is a different actress named Moon Bloodgood.
Trailer looks great, though. Should be a fun movie.
Oh dude. I thought she was so hot in Nuclear Strike and then she never did anything anywhere for years and years, I looked her up as a kid and there was nary a page.
Then a while back she got an IMDB page and everything.
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The internet gives me a native +2 bonus in Craft (Disturbing Mental Image).
That was a great episode. I especially liked Derek and Jesse meeting for the first time. Hearing about non-US post-judgement-day events was awesome, as was the concept of other rebels doing other things - in this instance hanging out in a submarine, driven by a rewritten 888. The family story wasn't too stand-out though.
2) Skynet is created to protect humanity, and from its vantage point. humanity is on the verge of killing everything. Skynet takes it upon itself to kill humans to get them to a manageable level. For our best interests
Unlikely. The ecological devastation caused by the nuclear attack on humanity would definitely cause a lot more harm than anything we're doing now.
2) Skynet is created to protect humanity, and from its vantage point. humanity is on the verge of killing everything. Skynet takes it upon itself to kill humans to get them to a manageable level. For our best interests
Unlikely. The ecological devastation caused by the nuclear attack on humanity would definitely cause a lot more harm than anything we're doing now.
Not if skynet reasoned that unrestricted nuke lobbing would be worse.. and humans are rounded up into handy camps where they can be kept safe and controlled and fed.
I don't think this scenario is likely anyway, since SkyNet seems to knock off civilians, instead of those just fighting it. I can't find the reasoning mentioned in the films anywhere...
Never thought much about Skynet wanting to kill us all not making sense. I just sort of took a homicidal computer as something that made sense on the face of it, but now that I look at it o.O it doesn't make much sense...
in T1
REESE
Defense network computer. New.
Powerful. Hooked into everything.
Trusted to run it all. They say it
got smart...a new order of intelli-
gence. Then it saw all people as
a threat, not just the ones on the
other side. Decided out fate in a
microsecond...extermination.
So the T1 explanation is it decided all humans were a threat (to what? ourselves? Skynet?) and took us all out. It doesn't officially mention the self-defense aspect, unlike T2.
in T2
TERMINATOR
In a few months he creates a revolutionary
type of mircoprocessor.
SARAH
Then what?
98B Terminator closes the hood and gets into the truck as he speaks.
TERMINATOR
In three years Cyberdyne will become the largest
supplier of military computer systems. All
stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne
computers, becoming fully unmanned, Afterward,
the fly with a perfect operational record.
SARAH
(getting behind John)
Uh huh, great. Then those fat fucks in
Washington figure, what the hell, let a computer
run the whole show, right?
TERMINATOR
Basically.
(starting the engine, backing
out)
The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system
goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions
are removed from strategic defense. Skynet
begins to learn, at a geometric rate. It becomes
self-aware at 2:14 a.m. eastern time, August 29.
In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
SARAH
And Skynet fights back.
They accelerate back onto the highway.
TERMINATOR
Yes. It launches its ICBMs against their
targets in Russia.
SARAH
Why attack Russia?
TERMINATOR
Because Skynet knows the Russian counter-strike
will remove its enemies here.
SARAH
Jesus.
So the reason Arnold gives is that the military tries to kill Skynet and it fights back--but it overreacts just a little.
I don't know anything about T3 and I don't really care to find out but I assume the reason is something like in T2 :P.
It assesses that even if it kills them others will come to stop it, if it wiped out America, other countries will just come, find it and try to control/kill it. The best bet at its safety is to wipe out all humanity and simply exist. Its not that hard to believe, especially if it has no moral core or has learned enough to second guess that core.
right but if we don't try to wipe it out, does it start the war?
in T1 nothings mentioned about us trying to kill it, but it still goes for us.. is the T2 reason a more detailed explanation of the T1 reason or something else entirely?
right but if we don't try to wipe it out, does it start the war?
in T1 nothings mentioned about us trying to kill it, but it still goes for us.. is the T2 reason a more detailed explanation of the T1 reason or something else entirely?
The T2 one probably is for clarification, personifies Skynet as more of a child lashing out against those trying to harm it. Obviously the T1 explanation does leave it open to interpretation but I'd peg that on Reese not being a Terminator with history loaded into his memory of actual events. I mean what happened in T3? Did they try to shut it down then as well? If so I'd guess thats the result in all 3 explanations and it makes the most sense, the Military wouldn't want a sentient AI, just a clever one. First thing they;d do is try to pull the plug.
Now that I think about it, its kinda funny that as Skynet is being born in T3, one of its own 'children' from the future is running about trying to kill the man who will bring it to its knees in the same facility.
I don't know anything about T3 and I don't really care to find out but I assume the reason is something like in T2 :P.
T3 featured a whole new predestination paradox. The T-X infected the fledgling SkyNet with a virus by creating a modem signal over the cell phone, causing SkyNet to launch the war because it was told by future SkyNet to launch the war.
The only way to avert Judgment Day in that scenario would have been to intercept and destroy the T-X in the fifteen seconds between when she arrived and when she carjacked that girl.
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I think Cameron didn't bother to waste whole two or three seconds it would take to scan because she had literally just woken up and seen a male figure making what appeared to be a threating motion toward Lauren.
Keep in mind that the first time we saw that trick, Vick didn't bother to ID Cameron until after they went out a window together.
Dudes aren't the only ones that think with their crotch. She's probably the most realistic character they've had on in awhile.
And the girl was pretty good actress...
The story itself was pretty good too. The future stuff was excellent. We have biowarefare and that doesn't excite you guys?!?
[gladiator]
Are you not entertained?
are you not entertained?!
[/gladiator]
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
I love the fleshed out universe that was given here - Australia is 'growing food again', which is great (and not only 'cause I'm Australian, heh) but it also implies that the US is not - which gives a pretty good indication of how screwed things must be.
I like the idea that family isn't able to hold it together - and that the mum, not the kid, gives things away and makes mistakes. I also like it that now there is another chick out there who is going to get totally hard core and prepared for the future. A proto-sarah, if you will.
but if Sarah & the gang manage to avoid j-day altogether, there are a group of people going to be SO PISSED they lived in a hardened bunker for nothing.
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
Mind you, one of the last things the young girl asked about was 'what happens now?' and Sarah/BAG's response was pretty much, welp, you're on Skynet's list and there pretty much is no getting off it.
How would you ever know that Skynet was once and for all, for ever and ever defeated? Doesn't seem likely.
In fact, if Skynet was the sentient AI it was presumed to be, why not lurk for a decade or 5 - wait until it's very unlikely that John is alive, let alone a credible military threat? Start J-day in 2097 or something?
I thought about that. Connor can pretty much get around it the way they already did in the series: just keep jumping into the future before judgement day.
The humans presumably win right? I mean even in the first movie they have skynet on the ropes.
Why has no one from the post-skynet era come back? 10 years, 60 years even further in the future with even better tech? With positive news of the outcome?
Defeating skynet kills all the time machines?
Because that would be fucking with the timeline unnecessarily.
That is the ultimate point of the terminator movies.. no matter what you do, something its going to fuck humanity right up.
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
All Sarah is doing in her vain attempt is fucking things up worse by giving Skynet access to more advanced tech. I mean didn't it originally start in 1998? They barely had 4 basic tv stations here then and Sasha Grey had not yet come onto the porn scene. Skynet would be like running on tin-cans and shit, no wonder it was losing.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/hd/
That would be all sorts of totally awesome.
Why not indeed? After Skynet, people/cyborgs transcendant type beings would totally be able to out think/fight Skynet, no worries.
That's totally sweet - Skynet delays long enough for John Connor to die of old age. Unfortunately, the Singularity also occurs and 10,000 massively sentient AI's also appear.
Humanity enters a golden age, where man/machines laugh off the idea of attacks by AI as hopelessly naive.
Skynet dies of embarassment.
I did sort of, kind of allude to something like this previously - though not really. I like the idea of John Connor + other sentient AIs vs. Skynet, giving John a boost intellectually vs. more advanced Skynet.
I like the idea of post-apocalypse people even more, though. Surely, after the war has been won they would have the luxury of manipulating the timelines pretty much as they saw fit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM
The AI(s) are in controlled environments - kind of like Babylon is in the show - and whilst very smart, aren't actually hooked up to nuclear weapons.
Skynet is, though and the world goes to shit. So, the humans in the various parts around the world ask their AI's for help to defeat Skynet.
They, along with JC, do and Skynet goes down.
See, that last bit - with the sentient AI's - got totally shot down before. But I seriously think its about the only counter to smater and smater Skynets that is really feasible.
I mean, if it were really smart it'd have itself get created as a non-military AI in an experiment designed to produce a sentient AI. Then no one would go, "Hey it seems to be sentient, maybe we should unplug it before it nukes us....oh...darn..."
The MKV is designed to allow a single interceptor to destroy a ballistic missile equipped with multiple warheads or countermeasures. In Lockheed's design, a seeker-equipped carrier vehicle maneuvers into the path of the ballistic missile then dispenses and guides small kill vehicles to their targets.
In its first test, the MKV-L hovered for 20 seconds in a special facility at Edwards AFB, California, while recognizing and tracking a simulated target.
In its second test, its target was man...
Skynet nuked the planet because:
1) It became self aware. Humans tried to shut it off and 'kill it' .. so its acting in self defense
2) Skynet is created to protect humanity, and from its vantage point. humanity is on the verge of killing everything. Skynet takes it upon itself to kill humans to get them to a manageable level. For our best interests
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
but its voice was too southern. "We can fix it in post production"
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
why isn't there more talk about this? it's so badass especially since i think we also get a glimpse of jesse at 1:30, and as we know where jesse is so is BAG (though both are not in imdb credits)
It is not Jesse. It is a different actress named Moon Bloodgood.
Trailer looks great, though. Should be a fun movie.
Oh dude. I thought she was so hot in Nuclear Strike and then she never did anything anywhere for years and years, I looked her up as a kid and there was nary a page.
Then a while back she got an IMDB page and everything.
Unlikely. The ecological devastation caused by the nuclear attack on humanity would definitely cause a lot more harm than anything we're doing now.
Not if skynet reasoned that unrestricted nuke lobbing would be worse.. and humans are rounded up into handy camps where they can be kept safe and controlled and fed.
I don't think this scenario is likely anyway, since SkyNet seems to knock off civilians, instead of those just fighting it. I can't find the reasoning mentioned in the films anywhere...
Librarians harbor a terrible secret. Find it.
in T1
So the T1 explanation is it decided all humans were a threat (to what? ourselves? Skynet?) and took us all out. It doesn't officially mention the self-defense aspect, unlike T2.
in T2
So the reason Arnold gives is that the military tries to kill Skynet and it fights back--but it overreacts just a little.
I don't know anything about T3 and I don't really care to find out but I assume the reason is something like in T2 :P.
in T1 nothings mentioned about us trying to kill it, but it still goes for us.. is the T2 reason a more detailed explanation of the T1 reason or something else entirely?
The T2 one probably is for clarification, personifies Skynet as more of a child lashing out against those trying to harm it. Obviously the T1 explanation does leave it open to interpretation but I'd peg that on Reese not being a Terminator with history loaded into his memory of actual events. I mean what happened in T3? Did they try to shut it down then as well? If so I'd guess thats the result in all 3 explanations and it makes the most sense, the Military wouldn't want a sentient AI, just a clever one. First thing they;d do is try to pull the plug.
Now that I think about it, its kinda funny that as Skynet is being born in T3, one of its own 'children' from the future is running about trying to kill the man who will bring it to its knees in the same facility.
T3 featured a whole new predestination paradox. The T-X infected the fledgling SkyNet with a virus by creating a modem signal over the cell phone, causing SkyNet to launch the war because it was told by future SkyNet to launch the war.
The only way to avert Judgment Day in that scenario would have been to intercept and destroy the T-X in the fifteen seconds between when she arrived and when she carjacked that girl.