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Seems like they're fixing all the critical things like a bug in the bowling minigame. Super.
What's the best thing to adjust to get the frame rate up? It crashes sometimes when I benchmark, Im getting tired of tweaking. Then it doesnt save settings when you exit.
Im getting ~25fps on a E5200 2.5x2ghz / HD4850 / 4gb ram / Vista 64. Generally plays ok, but, slowdowns in mid-game are frustrating.
Seems like they're fixing all the critical things like a bug in the bowling minigame. Super.
What's the best thing to adjust to get the frame rate up? It crashes sometimes when I benchmark, Im getting tired of tweaking. Then it doesnt save settings when you exit.
Im getting ~25fps on a E5200 2.5x2ghz / HD4850 / 4gb ram / Vista 64. Generally plays ok, but, slowdowns in mid-game are frustrating.
About the only thing you can do to increase your fps, apart from set shadows to zero and lower the final renderer is swap in that c2d for a quad. That, or wait and hope that there is something they can do to optimize for less than three cores.
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There has been a reported issue of textures not loading in. If you are experiencing visuals that resemble the screenshot below it may be associated with third party graphical performance tuners, recently switching Video Cards, and/or not uninstalling the previous drivers properly.
So the fact that ever other game I own runs with out issue means nothing. It is Rivatuner's fault for existing and my fault for using it that is causing the issues with your shitty product. Makes perfect sense to me.
Actually I played Vice City and SA on release. Never had any of those issues. And they definitely were the best versions. Claiming they were bad ports is completely wrong.
Okay, well, fair enough. It's possible I had a negatively skewed impression of it, since I had to go to forums for help with those problems.
You weren't alone. Vice City was okay as far as I can remember, but San Andreas had issues with sound on Creative chipsets, kept resetting my computer and had problems drawing in textures fast enough. Don't you people remember how the roads would often be a blank slate-grey texture until the proper texture loaded in? There was also some pop-up to deal with, and sometimes, inexplicably, on a new installation, San Andreas would scan the music folder where you put all the mp3's for your music station and come up with diddly squat.
One or two patches later meant that San Andreas turned into a stable game. But not on release it bloody well wasn't.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
Seems like they're fixing all the critical things like a bug in the bowling minigame. Super.
What's the best thing to adjust to get the frame rate up? It crashes sometimes when I benchmark, Im getting tired of tweaking. Then it doesnt save settings when you exit.
Im getting ~25fps on a E5200 2.5x2ghz / HD4850 / 4gb ram / Vista 64. Generally plays ok, but, slowdowns in mid-game are frustrating.
About the only thing you can do to increase your fps, apart from set shadows to zero and lower the final renderer is swap in that c2d for a quad. That, or wait and hope that there is something they can do to optimize for less than three cores.
Aww man I just built this rig from scratch like 3 months ago to play all the shiny new games at reasonable spec but it seems the computer game developers won't even let me do that. While Im ranting, I can't believe they make you sign up for some online multiplayer junk just to save my game. And now I get a sign in box for the social club each time I boot. Way to clog up my system, R*.
IGN: Just to start out could you give us a sense of how widespread the problem actually is because it's difficult to tell from looking at message boards.
Kevin Hoare: I guess that's really hard to determine. The only thing we really have to go on in that regard is support calls we've been getting which have been quite low or as expected, which I think is roughly around one percent…It seems like maybe these forum posters are the more outspoken percentage of the players. That's really the only thing we have to go on as far as numbers go.
And then move on to this:
IGN: Can you say what the patch will address and what sort of timetable there might be?
Kevin Hoare: We've done some improvements to the video editor and the rendering engine for the replay editor. We've added, again from feedback from the forums, we initially didn't support direct-input controller devices and people seemed to want that, so we added support for direct-input devices. I think there was an issue with bowling…
Arthur Chiang: We read that some people with sensitive mice were having trouble with the bowling mini-game so we looked into that more and we've got a fix for that. There's a bunch of little UI tweaks because we've come a long way in our video editing prowess and we've been slowly increasing the user functionality to make things easier for what we want to do with it.
Jeronimo Barrera: Let's not beat around the bush here. There's a lot of noise like this game doesn't run at all or there's missing textures and everything else. From what we've gathered a lot of those problems are either out of date drivers or we don't support that type of card or you're underspecced or whatever, it's always a combination of one of those things, it's not necessarily that we don't know what we're doing because obviously we put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of test into this. From what we did and from going through certification with Microsoft and our external QA process we didn't run into the amount of problems that the boards seemed to be saying there are. I know that Nvidia and ATI are constantly…I think they're releasing new drivers pretty soon.
Obviously when you start talking about high-end PC games people want to tweak with their drivers and everything else and we've found some situations where people have modified their drivers by going to sites where you can customize drivers, and we've found problems with that. We're seeing some of the things that people are complaining about but they're so peripheral of the target audience.
Yeah, because as PC gamers we should all be expected to play a game that looks worse than GTA 3 with even worse performance.
That's just one of the many quotes from that lovely Q&A where they attempt to shovel blame onto PC gamers and hardware manufacturers instead of admitting that they did a piss poor job with the port.
ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
I really don't think this game is going to make piracy more rampant because even pirates won't be able to play the game until they patch this crap.
It is ridiculous. I bought the game yesterday expecting to be able to run it, I can run just about everything else on medium settings (Intel Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT 256 MB video card), so not the best but it should be able to run the game almost comparable to the console versions.
Unlike a lot of people I can at least load into the game and everything but it looks terrible and performs even worse. I am not a fan of how rockstar is saying not many people are having problems with the games and it is all the gamers fault. They have released updated nvidia drivers, but since I have a laptop card, it is not supported and I have to wait a few days for fixes for that as well.
did you try changing the graphics driver's settings? maybe to performance or something?
I ended up trying it out on 800x600 with basically zero view distance and all of the other settings really low. I just now got the new driver to install so I am going to try that out and see if it is playable yet. Really, my definition of playable is going to be a comfortable fps with graphics comparable to the console version. Because my roommate has the 360 version right here, and I might as well just play that, I just wanted my own copy of the game, with my own radio stations and whatnot.
Well, it's pretty obvious. Even by the first date.
She contradicts herself about her reason for having tags on her furniture (first OCD, then having moved from the 'Midwest'), is extremely edgy about any details about herself, EVERY question Niko asks is turned immediately back onto him, she outright nags him about people he knows, and a couple of other things. She's a pretty shitty cop.
That's not even the one that tipped me off..
Every other question she asks is whether Niko hangs out with criminals.. What the hell? It's exactly like that Family Guy episode where Peter goes undercover to stop drugs at the high school.
"I'm look to score some drugs. Anybody have any drugs!?"
Also, Niko missed one freaking date. What the fuck does that have to do with criminals at all? Terrible writing here, Rockstar. But man. I love this game. Even at 15 fps.
Let's not forget that she isn't really a cop. We don't really know anything about who she really is, other than she's being manipulated. It's perfectly reasonable for her to not know what she's doing, but I agree it's still glaringly obvious.
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
This is what the game looks like. The settings are about as low as they can get, actually I could not lower them if I tried, which is odd. The resolution is 800x600. While it does look a bit artistic and pretty to look at, it is pretty unplayable like that, and the fps I am getting is alright for walking around, any fast driving or much action slows it down a lot.
I really hope they release a patch. Other than that I might just have to wait until I get a good gaming rig in the spring.
This is what the game looks like. The settings are about as low as they can get, actually I could not lower them if I tried, which is odd. The resolution is 800x600. While it does look a bit artistic and pretty to look at, it is pretty unplayable like that, and the fps I am getting is alright for walking around, any fast driving or much action slows it down a lot.
I really hope they release a patch. Other than that I might just have to wait until I get a good gaming rig in the spring.
That looks like a PS1 game >_<
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
This is what the game looks like. The settings are about as low as they can get, actually I could not lower them if I tried, which is odd. The resolution is 800x600. While it does look a bit artistic and pretty to look at, it is pretty unplayable like that, and the fps I am getting is alright for walking around, any fast driving or much action slows it down a lot.
I really hope they release a patch. Other than that I might just have to wait until I get a good gaming rig in the spring.
That looks like a PS1 game >_<
What are your specs Artreus?
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
I really don't think this game is going to make piracy more rampant because even pirates won't be able to play the game until they patch this crap.
It is ridiculous. I bought the game yesterday expecting to be able to run it, I can run just about everything else on medium settings (Intel Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT 256 MB video card), so not the best but it should be able to run the game almost comparable to the console versions.
Unlike a lot of people I can at least load into the game and everything but it looks terrible and performs even worse. I am not a fan of how rockstar is saying not many people are having problems with the games and it is all the gamers fault. They have released updated nvidia drivers, but since I have a laptop card, it is not supported and I have to wait a few days for fixes for that as well.
Man I just want to play the damn game.
I'm not sure why you think it should be comparable to the console version, you're missing a core and you have a much worse graphics chip compared to the 360 which is also a dedicated games platform.
Anecdotally, what I'm hearing is that the game is almost entirely dependent on the CPU though and unless you have a quadcore or a 3ghz dual core it's not going to be that pretty.
IGN: Just to start out could you give us a sense of how widespread the problem actually is because it's difficult to tell from looking at message boards.
Kevin Hoare: I guess that's really hard to determine. The only thing we really have to go on in that regard is support calls we've been getting which have been quite low or as expected, which I think is roughly around one percent…It seems like maybe these forum posters are the more outspoken percentage of the players. That's really the only thing we have to go on as far as numbers go.
And then move on to this:
IGN: Can you say what the patch will address and what sort of timetable there might be?
Kevin Hoare: We've done some improvements to the video editor and the rendering engine for the replay editor. We've added, again from feedback from the forums, we initially didn't support direct-input controller devices and people seemed to want that, so we added support for direct-input devices. I think there was an issue with bowling…
Arthur Chiang: We read that some people with sensitive mice were having trouble with the bowling mini-game so we looked into that more and we've got a fix for that. There's a bunch of little UI tweaks because we've come a long way in our video editing prowess and we've been slowly increasing the user functionality to make things easier for what we want to do with it.
Jeronimo Barrera: Let's not beat around the bush here. There's a lot of noise like this game doesn't run at all or there's missing textures and everything else. From what we've gathered a lot of those problems are either out of date drivers or we don't support that type of card or you're underspecced or whatever, it's always a combination of one of those things, it's not necessarily that we don't know what we're doing because obviously we put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of test into this. From what we did and from going through certification with Microsoft and our external QA process we didn't run into the amount of problems that the boards seemed to be saying there are. I know that Nvidia and ATI are constantly…I think they're releasing new drivers pretty soon.
Obviously when you start talking about high-end PC games people want to tweak with their drivers and everything else and we've found some situations where people have modified their drivers by going to sites where you can customize drivers, and we've found problems with that. We're seeing some of the things that people are complaining about but they're so peripheral of the target audience.
Yeah, because as PC gamers we should all be expected to play a game that looks worse than GTA 3 with even worse performance.
That's just one of the many quotes from that lovely Q&A where they attempt to shovel blame onto PC gamers and hardware manufacturers instead of admitting that they did a piss poor job with the port.
I think most of this isn't that dicky. The last bit is but the first two parts are pretty reasonable. I deal with tech support issues and it is impossible to solve problems that people are unwilling to bring to me.
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ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited December 2008
Wait why would the 3ghz single core outperform the core 2 duo 2.0 ghz?
I do realize my laptop is starting to show its age so I am going to be getting a gaming rig soon. I would have just liked to get a bit better performance out of it.
Wait why would the 3ghz single core outperform the core 2 duo 2.0 ghz?
I do realize my laptop is starting to show its age so I am going to be getting a gaming rig soon. I would have just liked to get a bit better performance out of it.
I meant 3ghz on each of the dual cores.... and wrote something completely different because I'm a tard.
I think most of this isn't that dicky. The last bit is but the first two parts are pretty reasonable. I deal with tech support issues and it is impossible to solve problems that people are unwilling to bring to me.
I think it's pretty dicky that they're saying they can't solve these issues because people are ranting and so on. There's plenty of detailed posts on the GTAForums elaborating these problems, with seasoned users even providing assessments of why they think these problems are happening and how they think Rockstar can deal with it. It's kind of insulting to anyone's intelligence for Rockstar to suggest that the users are just complaining and not providing any details.
...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
sure the xbox has a zillion cores, but it's not really like its CPU is more powerful than a modern Core 2 Duo, right?
It's the PS3 that has a zillion cores.
Probably not, but it is triple cored with each core having 2 threads running at 3.2ghz so it's not exactly a slouch and if you've designed your game specifically to run with lots of independent threads then shrinking that down to 2 cores might have been, problematic.
edit:
that driver screenshot has less detail in the entire screenshot than I can see on one of the cars in the GTAIV shot.
yeah, the problem is probably the conversion from multithreaded to less-multi-threaded.
more than enough games look as good as GTA4 or better on PC, so it's possible, but surely not easy
Plus, you know, a speed issue THAT bad is probably just a bug. I mean, aren't even people on quad core CPUs reporting awful performance?
Well I OCed my dual core with the help of a friend, now running at 32fps on mediumish settings, much better. Not a stable overclock tho, so Im going to have to change volta..I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING QUICK PUT EVERYTHING BACK THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
All I see that's worse is a lack of shadows, lower-res textures and a lower poly count. Otherwise, there's really not that much of a difference. Maybe PS1 is too much though... first-gen PS2 game is closer to the mark, perhaps.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
All I see that's worse is a lack of shadows, lower-res textures and a lower poly count. Otherwise, there's really not that much of a difference.
So basically everything looks worse, but aside from that, there's no difference? I mean honestly what can you change about an engine other than the lighting, the textures, and the detail density? I guess you could always make the animation better (GTA IV does this), or expand the size of the game world (ditto). But yeah...
All I see that's worse is a lack of shadows, lower-res textures and a lower poly count. Otherwise, there's really not that much of a difference.
So basically everything looks worse, but aside from that, there's no difference? I mean honestly what can you change about an engine other than the lighting, the textures, and the detail density? I guess you could always make the animation better (GTA IV does this), or expand the size of the game world (ditto). But yeah...
All I'm saying is that it looks nowhere near a modern game should, there's no reason to take what I said so literally.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
I wouldn't be as aggravated by this if I didn't know there was such a fun game underneath the problems, for what it counts.
Questions:
Is there more than one clothing store on the first island?
Are there gun stores?
Are haircuts still in, or now out?
I think it's only the one clothing store on the first island, but I'm not 100% sure. There are gun stores, but no haircuts.
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I've got finals winding down and Fallout 3 and GTA 4 look so delicious.
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/936/936304p1.html
Seems like they're fixing all the critical things like a bug in the bowling minigame. Super.
What's the best thing to adjust to get the frame rate up? It crashes sometimes when I benchmark, Im getting tired of tweaking. Then it doesnt save settings when you exit.
Im getting ~25fps on a E5200 2.5x2ghz / HD4850 / 4gb ram / Vista 64. Generally plays ok, but, slowdowns in mid-game are frustrating.
About the only thing you can do to increase your fps, apart from set shadows to zero and lower the final renderer is swap in that c2d for a quad. That, or wait and hope that there is something they can do to optimize for less than three cores.
So the fact that ever other game I own runs with out issue means nothing. It is Rivatuner's fault for existing and my fault for using it that is causing the issues with your shitty product. Makes perfect sense to me.
You weren't alone. Vice City was okay as far as I can remember, but San Andreas had issues with sound on Creative chipsets, kept resetting my computer and had problems drawing in textures fast enough. Don't you people remember how the roads would often be a blank slate-grey texture until the proper texture loaded in? There was also some pop-up to deal with, and sometimes, inexplicably, on a new installation, San Andreas would scan the music folder where you put all the mp3's for your music station and come up with diddly squat.
One or two patches later meant that San Andreas turned into a stable game. But not on release it bloody well wasn't.
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Aww man I just built this rig from scratch like 3 months ago to play all the shiny new games at reasonable spec but it seems the computer game developers won't even let me do that. While Im ranting, I can't believe they make you sign up for some online multiplayer junk just to save my game. And now I get a sign in box for the social club each time I boot. Way to clog up my system, R*.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/936/936304p1.html
Let's start it off with this:
And then move on to this:
Yeah, because as PC gamers we should all be expected to play a game that looks worse than GTA 3 with even worse performance.
That's just one of the many quotes from that lovely Q&A where they attempt to shovel blame onto PC gamers and hardware manufacturers instead of admitting that they did a piss poor job with the port.
Also, by "pull an Epic", I meant halfass a game release, then blame poor sales entirely on filthy dirty pirates.
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It is ridiculous. I bought the game yesterday expecting to be able to run it, I can run just about everything else on medium settings (Intel Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT 256 MB video card), so not the best but it should be able to run the game almost comparable to the console versions.
Unlike a lot of people I can at least load into the game and everything but it looks terrible and performs even worse. I am not a fan of how rockstar is saying not many people are having problems with the games and it is all the gamers fault. They have released updated nvidia drivers, but since I have a laptop card, it is not supported and I have to wait a few days for fixes for that as well.
Man I just want to play the damn game.
I ended up trying it out on 800x600 with basically zero view distance and all of the other settings really low. I just now got the new driver to install so I am going to try that out and see if it is playable yet. Really, my definition of playable is going to be a comfortable fps with graphics comparable to the console version. Because my roommate has the 360 version right here, and I might as well just play that, I just wanted my own copy of the game, with my own radio stations and whatnot.
This is what the game looks like. The settings are about as low as they can get, actually I could not lower them if I tried, which is odd. The resolution is 800x600. While it does look a bit artistic and pretty to look at, it is pretty unplayable like that, and the fps I am getting is alright for walking around, any fast driving or much action slows it down a lot.
I really hope they release a patch. Other than that I might just have to wait until I get a good gaming rig in the spring.
Oh now that's a bit harsh on Epic. They did stop talking about it like that eventually.
When the PS3 version was released and also tanked.
So then they just shut up about UT3 altogether. :P
That looks like a PS1 game >_<
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What are your specs Artreus?
But it sure don't look good, that's for sure
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I'm not sure why you think it should be comparable to the console version, you're missing a core and you have a much worse graphics chip compared to the 360 which is also a dedicated games platform.
Anecdotally, what I'm hearing is that the game is almost entirely dependent on the CPU though and unless you have a quadcore or a 3ghz dual core it's not going to be that pretty.
I think most of this isn't that dicky. The last bit is but the first two parts are pretty reasonable. I deal with tech support issues and it is impossible to solve problems that people are unwilling to bring to me.
I do realize my laptop is starting to show its age so I am going to be getting a gaming rig soon. I would have just liked to get a bit better performance out of it.
I meant 3ghz on each of the dual cores.... and wrote something completely different because I'm a tard.
I think it's pretty dicky that they're saying they can't solve these issues because people are ranting and so on. There's plenty of detailed posts on the GTAForums elaborating these problems, with seasoned users even providing assessments of why they think these problems are happening and how they think Rockstar can deal with it. It's kind of insulting to anyone's intelligence for Rockstar to suggest that the users are just complaining and not providing any details.
The first Driver game.
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It's the PS3 that has a zillion cores.
Probably not, but it is triple cored with each core having 2 threads running at 3.2ghz so it's not exactly a slouch and if you've designed your game specifically to run with lots of independent threads then shrinking that down to 2 cores might have been, problematic.
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that driver screenshot has less detail in the entire screenshot than I can see on one of the cars in the GTAIV shot.
3 cores at 3.2GHz. Its pretty beefy.
more than enough games look as good as GTA4 or better on PC, so it's possible, but surely not easy
Plus, you know, a speed issue THAT bad is probably just a bug. I mean, aren't even people on quad core CPUs reporting awful performance?
Yeah that looks significantly worse
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All I see that's worse is a lack of shadows, lower-res textures and a lower poly count. Otherwise, there's really not that much of a difference. Maybe PS1 is too much though... first-gen PS2 game is closer to the mark, perhaps.
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All I'm saying is that it looks nowhere near a modern game should, there's no reason to take what I said so literally.
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Questions:
Is there more than one clothing store on the first island?
Are there gun stores?
Are haircuts still in, or now out?
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I think it's only the one clothing store on the first island, but I'm not 100% sure. There are gun stores, but no haircuts.
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Yes, the russian shop is the only clothes place on the first island. And yeah, no haircuts. No Niko changing at all, aside from clothes.