The Status Quo

Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong LoveRegistered User regular
edited December 2008 in Graphic Violence
Man, after reading Secret Invasion I got to thinking about how the changes made after Civil War. Aside from The Initiative, the titles that came after didn't really swim around in that new realm of possibility that came with it.

Maybe it's creative differences, or perhaps the flow of the industry that dictated what came about in Secret Invasion.

Publisher to publisher, things seem different. Fuck if I know what Image has going on in its respective universes. From what I gather, Robert Kirkman is sorta propelling things with his "Kirkverse". Spawn and the like, I ain't got a clue.

A wise man once said that "It is the bitches, that are the most adverse to change."

What are some of your favorite changes to characters or teams? In the direction of a book, or a publisher? Of the status quo?

One of my favorite changes within Marvel as a publisher was the creation of the Ultimate Universe imprint.

I mean, remember when Ultimate X-Men was good, son?

How about you?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
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    Not only was it a dramatic departure for the X-Force book, but it was also an incisive examination of celebrity and the superhero genre.

    Something similar happened with New Warriors some years afterwards, but then they got blown up and we went back to no longer having any reality tv superhero teams.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Right now, the newest team I want to see more of is the Mighty Avengers.

    It apparently has a Hank Pym iteration I won't hate because that other douche doesn't count!

    Sweet!

    I also desire to learn more about what comes after Batman R.I.P. !

    I mean, crap...what was that all about?

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't know why, but I loved the post-Galactic Storm (NYC) Avengers team. The new Mighty roster reminds me of them, so that is going to be awesome.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't know why, but I loved the post-Galactic Storm (NYC) Avengers team. The new Mighty roster reminds me of them, so that is going to be awesome.

    I don't know what that is.

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Thank you for making me feel old.

    The roster then was, IIRC, Vision, Crystal, Black Knight, Hercules, Goliath (Clint).

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Who was the leader? Vision?

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  • Sars_BoySars_Boy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There was a time when I had hopes that Final Crisis would change DC's status quo

    it's pretty easy to see that's not going to happen now

    Marvel's Universe never seems to stay the same long enough for people to actually tell stories about it

    Tony Stark was director of shield for like what 8 months?

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There was a time when I had hopes that Final Crisis would change DC's status quo

    it's pretty easy to see that's not going to happen now

    Marvel's Universe never seems to stay the same long enough for people to actually tell stories about it

    Tony Stark was director of shield for like what 8 months?

    In real time Tony was director for one year and nine months give or take. Comics time, especially Bendis time? Probably less than a year.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Considering the fact that Tony Stark: Director of SHIELD had cameos in pretty much every book in mainstream continuity, I think the idea was more than used to its fullest potential.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yea, marvel has seen to be jumping from big storyline to big storyline for the last few years. Probably the biggest example for me was Spider-Man's stark built costume and the reveal of his identity. I know it's been said before, but the writers and Quesada claimed that this was going to open a wealth of storylines, and I can't really recall anything big coming out of it.

    Well, I guess you can attribute Brand New Day to it?

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Who was the leader? Vision?

    The pre-Operation: Galactic Storm roster was Black Knight, Sersi, Crystal, Quicksilver, Hercules and the Vision according to Wikipedia (which is correct as my memory recalls). I don't ever recall there being a "leader" per se. But BK and Herc were bestest buds.

    This site lists the roster I last read for many years as Black Knight III, Crystal, Hercules, Sersi, Vision. Thor II (with the beard) and Black Widow left before the last 3-issue arc. I wrote an essay for English class (kind of freeform nonsense we had to write) bitching about why BK was stabbed in the chest (this is when he had basically a light saber) but didn't die.

    Ah... Memories. Anyway, what was I saying?
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Yea, marvel has seen to be jumping from big storyline to big storyline for the last few years. Probably the biggest example for me was Spider-Man's stark built costume and the reveal of his identity. I know it's been said before, but the writers and Quesada claimed that this was going to open a wealth of storylines, and I can't really recall anything big coming out of it.

    Well, I guess you can attribute Brand New Day to it?

    Scarlet Spider clones in the Shadow Initiative.

    Hm... I wonder who's going to control them, if anyone.

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  • Sars_BoySars_Boy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    There was a time when I had hopes that Final Crisis would change DC's status quo

    it's pretty easy to see that's not going to happen now

    Marvel's Universe never seems to stay the same long enough for people to actually tell stories about it

    Tony Stark was director of shield for like what 8 months?
    In real time Tony was director for one year and nine months give or take. Comics time, especially Bendis time? Probably less than a year.
    yeah i'm talking comic time

    real world time doesn't mean shit anymore when every story is a six issue arc

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Then this will blow your minds.

    Newsarama with Jim McCann on NA: Reunion:
    NRAMA: With a wink and nod to comic book "time" how long has Bobbi been gone?

    Jim McCann: I place it at about 3 years.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    What year was Mockingbird official killed?

    Edit: Never mind, just checked. 1993. Wow.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    obviously, i would pick this-
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    i would also submit
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    a good time was had by all.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    And within 3 weeks of the end of NXM everything reverted back to what it once was again, except for Jean and cat Beast.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    but it was a great ride while it lasted


    edit- that's not really true anyways. that series was the groundwork for cyclops and emma as they are today (leading the x-men together), and the concept of a thriving "out" mutant subculture was introduced into the marvel universe (which is now gone for unrelated reasons but could return). for example

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    the ed brubaker years of captain america

    basically turned that guy into the solid snake of the marvel universe

    52, that book made me care about characters i'd of never invested time in otherwise

    i want to learn a lot more about black adam and booster gold, and the justice society

    i traded comics with TLB so i could read morrison's Animal Man and was in no way disappointed

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I really admire people who can take a book where the status quo as been upended, and make it work without changing everything back and undoing all the changes. Whedon's run on AXM was a perfect example on how someone could build on something from the after effects of a run of huge changes.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    it worked, considering that he (TO AN EXTENT) ignored a lot of events and simply focused on characters and telling a good story

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    peter david's current run on x-factor is the best example of guiding characters through a mass of events in a logical and interesting way

    seriously, he's tied in to just about every major marvel event and the story hasn't really suffered

    also, it was the best post-house of m series because it actually dealt with the fallout in an extremely interesting manner

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yeah. I think House of M was regulated to one throwaway line and then ignored.

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    You know what really shook things up in most excellent fashion?
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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Yeah. I think House of M was regulated to one throwaway line and then ignored.

    well, that's not really true, it's just that x-factor was the one good thing that immediately spun out of house of M, the rest of the x-books kind of had a delay before they started telling good stories about the aftermath

    and I don't know if generation m was the first comic to feature sally floyd, but it was terrible either way

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Yeah. I think House of M was regulated to one throwaway line and then ignored.

    well, that's not really true, it's just that x-factor was the one good thing that immediately spun out of house of M, the rest of the x-books kind of had a delay before they started telling good stories about the aftermath

    and I don't know if generation m was the first comic to feature sally floyd, but it was terrible either way

    I meant for Astonishing X-Men.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    My favorite change to the status quo is what they did with Riddler in the OYL Batman stuff. Specifically what Paul Dini did with him in Detective Comics. Riddler as a rival detective to Batman is a really cool change to the character. It made for some interesting issues, and it was a refreshing take on Edward Nigma.

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  • ThorionThorion __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2008
    My favorite change to the status quo is World War Hulk.

    Yeah, yeah, bad joke, I know.

    Seriously, I think Morrison's JLA is far and away the best change to the then-status quo I've ever seen.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Yeah. I think House of M was regulated to one throwaway line and then ignored.

    well, that's not really true, it's just that x-factor was the one good thing that immediately spun out of house of M, the rest of the x-books kind of had a delay before they started telling good stories about the aftermath

    and I don't know if generation m was the first comic to feature sally floyd, but it was terrible either way

    I meant for Astonishing X-Men.

    oh right, carry on

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I thoughty Kitty coming back and a bunch of the first arc was all because of House of M.

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  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    While I guess I never really noticed the whole lack of mutants reacting to HoM thing, even though I can see it happened, it really pisses me off that it was never addressed (as far as I know) between Peter and Mary Jane that Peter's biggest dream is to be married Gwen Stacy.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    I thoughty Kitty coming back and a bunch of the first arc was all because of House of M.

    Nope, that was all pre-House of M

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    What are some of your favorite changes to characters or teams? In the direction of a book, or a publisher? Of the status quo?
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    From really lame X-Men ripoff to Dadaist masterpiece in like thirty pages!

    And of course the classic example of the change par excellance:
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    "THE OLD ORDER CHANGETH!"

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Doom Patrol wasn't an X-Men ripoff, as far as I know. It debuted before X-Men.

    Also, from what I've read of their early issues through the first Doom Patrol Archive Edition and reprints of early X-Men, Doom Patrol was better from the start.

    But in any case, Morrison's reinvention of the team was brilliant.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Faynor wrote: »
    While I guess I never really noticed the whole lack of mutants reacting to HoM thing, even though I can see it happened, it really pisses me off that it was never addressed (as far as I know) between Peter and Mary Jane that Peter's biggest dream is to be married Gwen Stacy.

    I don't think there would've ever been a good time for Peter to tell MJ that.

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ben Reilly was a great status quo (especially once Peter came back and it looked like we'd have 2 Spider-Men for a while) and then poof... No Ben, no Phil Urich, no more fun.

    Actually that's not true. The first arcs of Norman's return and his becoming a media darling were excellent. When they brought back Aunt May is when the fun stopped.

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  • IrohIroh Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ringo wrote: »
    Ben Reilly was a great status quo (especially once Peter came back and it looked like we'd have 2 Spider-Men for a while) and then poof... No Ben, no Phil Urich, no more fun.

    Actually that's not true. The first arcs of Norman's return and his becoming a media darling were excellent. When they brought back Aunt May is when the fun stopped.
    Aunt May finds a way to ruin everything.

    Edit: Oh shit.
    She's Norman's "friend" in Dark Reign.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Doom Patrol wasn't an X-Men ripoff, as far as I know. It debuted before X-Men.

    Also, from what I've read of their early issues through the first Doom Patrol Archive Edition and reprints of early X-Men, Doom Patrol was better from the start.

    But in any case, Morrison's reinvention of the team was brilliant.

    I should have clarified: the Kupperberg relaunch was an X-Men ripoff. It was done in the vein of that whole 80s-90s angsty strike force thing, and badly.

    On the other hand issue 3 did feature a battle inside my favorite hometown shopping mall.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Iroh wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Ben Reilly was a great status quo (especially once Peter came back and it looked like we'd have 2 Spider-Men for a while) and then poof... No Ben, no Phil Urich, no more fun.

    Actually that's not true. The first arcs of Norman's return and his becoming a media darling were excellent. When they brought back Aunt May is when the fun stopped.
    Aunt May finds a way to ruin everything.

    Edit: Oh shit.
    She's Norman's "friend" in Dark Reign.

    it would explain a lot

    the biggest villain spider-man has ever had is aunt may

    look at every crossroads spidey comes to

    she is always the determining factor in the change of his status quo, and in no way has ever been endearing enough for it to matter each time aside from the classic "spidey is lifting shit off his back" scene

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    seriously

    i don't say it in jest

    you want a change to pete that'd be for the better?

    aunt may biting the big one

    he is basically an emotional cripple because of her

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Seriously. He'd be way better off if she's gone for good.

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