I like Huckabee, but loathe his positions on gay marriage. Stewart tells it pretty much how it is, and Huckabee seems genuinely at a loss for any real argument.
I love Stewart so very much. Perhaps I'd marry him...
I say just get rid of marriage all together - civil unions for everyone. You want to get married, pick a religion that will have you - otherwise, just enjoy the tax benefits and legal rights afforded to you without worrying what it's called.
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I say just get rid of marriage all together - civil unions for everyone. You want to get married, pick a religion that will have you - otherwise, just enjoy the tax benefits and legal rights afforded to you without worrying what it's called.
I don't understand why most people don't take this position
I say just get rid of marriage all together - civil unions for everyone. You want to get married, pick a religion that will have you - otherwise, just enjoy the tax benefits and legal rights afforded to you without worrying what it's called.
I don't understand why most people don't take this position
Marriage is a sacred gift from God for a man and a woman to share alone etc etc blah blah blah
he personally disagrees with it, but if states pass their own laws allowing gay marriage, he's not opposed to it. he's also against any laws that would ban gay marriage, and he wants to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act.
I don't know how to assimilate Obama being personally against gay marriage--it does not fit his character at all to be honest. He must be taking a middle ground for a political reason.
The closest thing we have to the Daily Show in the UK I guess would be something akin to Have I got News for You, or perhaps newsnight when they have decent guests on. Nothing on a daily basis, not as political. Kinda wish we did, there is so much material in the British government.
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he personally disagrees with it, but if states pass their own laws allowing gay marriage, he's not opposed to it. he's also against any laws that would ban gay marriage, and he wants to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act.
He's also pro-civil union or whatever other buzz word(s) you want to apply. He just is politically savvy enough to understand that you don't fuck around with the word marriage or the religious right go nutty.
he personally disagrees with it, but if states pass their own laws allowing gay marriage, he's not opposed to it. he's also against any laws that would ban gay marriage, and he wants to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act.
Nope, Obama hates the gays and tricked everyone into thinking he's in favor of equal rights just to get elected.
I don't know how to assimilate Obama being personally against gay marriage--it does not fit his character at all to be honest. He must be taking a middle ground for a political reason.
To be fair, it could be that he doesn't feel that his personal opinion on the matter should override the popular concensus of the entire country.
I don't know how to assimilate Obama being personally against gay marriage--it does not fit his character at all to be honest. He must be taking a middle ground for a political reason.
He's against changing the terminology of marriage as a specific social-religious concept of man and woman get married. He's all for a union in which 2 people share the basic rights of domestic partnership, specifically the legal ramifications like next of kin, medical decisions, tax benefits, property, and so forth.
Yes but he is using the Republican straw-man in order to deflect criticism. Of course he realizes the definition of the word marriage is hardly the issue.
The part I don't understand is how some people will agree that gay couples should have the exact same rights and privileges as a married couple, but still don't want it to be called marriage. It makes no sense.
If anything is under the umbrella of the government, including marriage, then it shouldn't be denied to anyone based on race, sexual orientation, or religious preference.
If religion wants to hold onto the word marriage, then abolish the word from government, change it to civil unions, and then let the churches use "marriage" in their ceremonies if they want to.
The part I don't understand is how some people will agree that gay couples should have the exact same rights and privileges as a married couple, but still don't want it to be called marriage. It makes no sense.
It's called a compromise. By compromising the actual word, people get the heart of what they want without having to piss off another large chunk of the population.
Why is it such a big deal to the other side of the coin then? Is the point to get the rights and privileges of marriage or to piss off people? If it's to just piss in the other side's cheerios, then they're not in the game for the right reasons either and have no moral highground to stand on when religious right people go off on the "next you'll marry goats and ocelots" tangents.
Also, to even be dedicating this much time to gay marriage while the economy is in the shitter and 2 wars are going on is ridiculous. The concept of marriage means nothing when you don't have a place to live, food, or medical care.
The part I don't understand is how some people will agree that gay couples should have the exact same rights and privileges as a married couple, but still don't want it to be called marriage. It makes no sense.
Or just let anyone get married and tell people that think that the word "marriage" is special and for churches only that they can go fuck themselves.
But then the state is interfering with affairs of the church. Wasn't America founded on the notion that these two entities were separate? Or have I got it the wrong way, and you guys think the church is the state etc. Genuine question, my American history is patchy. Here in the UK the Government has no control over the Church of England whatsoever, which is why we have civil unions that have exactly the same legal benefits of marriage but the church still does not allow same sex marriage.
You know, while I am generally okay with telling people to sodomize themselves with their stupid convictions
its pretty hard to deny the connection between religion and marriage
Marriage is a part of some religions. But in this country you can still be just as married without ever stepping into a church. My wife and I could have gone to the judge and we would still be "married". Why should it be any different for two men or women who go through the same process?
Or just let anyone get married and tell people that think that the word "marriage" is special and for churches only that they can go fuck themselves.
But then the state is interfering with affairs of the church. Wasn't America founded on the notion that these two entities were separate? Or have I got it the wrong way, and you guys think the church is the state etc. Genuine question, my American history is patchy. Here in the UK the Government has no control over the Church of England whatsoever, which is why we have civil unions that have exactly the same legal benefits of marriage but the church still does not allow same sex marriage.
Im not saying that churches have to be forced to marry gays if they don't want to. I'm saying that the term marriage should be applied to all unions, heterosexual or homosexual. If you think that telling churches that marriage counts the same either way is a violation of church state separation. Wouldn't letting the churches take ownership of the term marriage be the same type of violation of church state separation?
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Having just been in my first semester of college, I've certainly seen and heard about him a whole lot more in recent months.
Barack Obama would agree with you.
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As long as it's not an animal, child, relative, or dead person I say you should be able to fuck whatever you want.
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I don't understand why most people don't take this position
Marriage is a civil right. This is so fucking basic.
Marriage is a sacred gift from God for a man and a woman to share alone etc etc blah blah blah
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uh, it's a bit more nuanced than that.
he personally disagrees with it, but if states pass their own laws allowing gay marriage, he's not opposed to it. he's also against any laws that would ban gay marriage, and he wants to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act.
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If you like Colbert, though (as I do), you must watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879
He's also pro-civil union or whatever other buzz word(s) you want to apply. He just is politically savvy enough to understand that you don't fuck around with the word marriage or the religious right go nutty.
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Nope, Obama hates the gays and tricked everyone into thinking he's in favor of equal rights just to get elected.
You know it's true because Butters said so.
Oh fuck, I agree with Keith Olberman...
Goddamn it!
To be fair, it could be that he doesn't feel that his personal opinion on the matter should override the popular concensus of the entire country.
I'm on the fence as to which I think it is.
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He's against changing the terminology of marriage as a specific social-religious concept of man and woman get married. He's all for a union in which 2 people share the basic rights of domestic partnership, specifically the legal ramifications like next of kin, medical decisions, tax benefits, property, and so forth.
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If anything is under the umbrella of the government, including marriage, then it shouldn't be denied to anyone based on race, sexual orientation, or religious preference.
If religion wants to hold onto the word marriage, then abolish the word from government, change it to civil unions, and then let the churches use "marriage" in their ceremonies if they want to.
It's called a compromise. By compromising the actual word, people get the heart of what they want without having to piss off another large chunk of the population.
Why is it such a big deal to the other side of the coin then? Is the point to get the rights and privileges of marriage or to piss off people? If it's to just piss in the other side's cheerios, then they're not in the game for the right reasons either and have no moral highground to stand on when religious right people go off on the "next you'll marry goats and ocelots" tangents.
Also, to even be dedicating this much time to gay marriage while the economy is in the shitter and 2 wars are going on is ridiculous. The concept of marriage means nothing when you don't have a place to live, food, or medical care.
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I already explained it
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=8153135&postcount=17
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its pretty hard to deny the connection between religion and marriage
But then the state is interfering with affairs of the church. Wasn't America founded on the notion that these two entities were separate? Or have I got it the wrong way, and you guys think the church is the state etc. Genuine question, my American history is patchy. Here in the UK the Government has no control over the Church of England whatsoever, which is why we have civil unions that have exactly the same legal benefits of marriage but the church still does not allow same sex marriage.
Marriage is a part of some religions. But in this country you can still be just as married without ever stepping into a church. My wife and I could have gone to the judge and we would still be "married". Why should it be any different for two men or women who go through the same process?
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Im not saying that churches have to be forced to marry gays if they don't want to. I'm saying that the term marriage should be applied to all unions, heterosexual or homosexual. If you think that telling churches that marriage counts the same either way is a violation of church state separation. Wouldn't letting the churches take ownership of the term marriage be the same type of violation of church state separation?