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italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
Hey guys. Didn't mean to start a big discussion or anything. Anyway if you followed my previous thread, I'm through buying from iTunes. The reason is that in the past 3 years I've had 2 laptops and 2 PCs: and now if I get one more PC, I won't be able to listen to most of my collection. I like the a la carte nature of iTunes music store, and I don't like buying CDs(who wants to pay $15 for a CD when they only want one song?). I've heard Amazon is pretty similiar, but what other choices are out there? How is the new and improved Napster? What about realplayer?

My wife and I each have an iPod, and I like the iTunes music player, so whatever I buy needs to be compatable.

Please don't start talking about DRM.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    RealPlayer has a music store? Does it kick you in the junk once for every song you buy, or twice?

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Well, I never really tried anything except iTunes, but I'm giving Amazon a try right now.

    First thoughts:

    If you already have an Amazon account, it's frighteningly easy to buy music. Click once, download an app, and it starts downloading automatically.

    Annoying feature: Every time it makes a move it brings up a popup in the toolbar. Since I download stuff fast it's almost always going off.

    The music automatically added to my iTunes Library, which is really nice. The interface isn't as unified as iTunes, obviously, but it seems easy enough to navigate. The music never "expires" or gets locked out, either.

    If I can figure out some way to turn off these fucking popups it'll be my music delivery method of choice.

    edit: Found it, File->Preferences->Turn off balloon popups.

    It's still almost too easy to buy music. I just burned $8 in about four clicks.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    RealPlayer has a music store? Does it kick you in the junk once for every song you buy, or twice?
    My mom used it for a while. It’s passable, but the subscription aspect would probably be frustrating if you weren’t expecting it. Purchasing is fine, but I recall it not coöperating with iPods well. Maybe that was the subscription format though? I can’t remember exactly.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hey guys. Didn't mean to start a big discussion or anything. Anyway if you followed my previous thread, I'm through buying from iTunes. The reason is that in the past 3 years I've had 2 laptops and 2 PCs: and now if I get one more PC, I won't be able to listen to most of my collection. I like the a la carte nature of iTunes music store, and I don't like buying CDs(who wants to pay $15 for a CD when they only want one song?). I've heard Amazon is pretty similiar, but what other choices are out there? How is the new and improved Napster? What about realplayer?

    My wife and I each have an iPod, and I like the iTunes music player, so whatever I buy needs to be compatable.

    Please don't start talking about DRM.
    If you would want to stick with the iTunes Store and you’re not actually using all four computers, you can reset your account associations.

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  • italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    yeah, I know about the reassociation thing... It's not practical though since 3 of those 4 computers are in use, and the other one died in a fire.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    What format does Amazon give you music in? iTunes does AAC, right?

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kris wrote: »
    What format does Amazon give you music in? iTunes does AAC, right?

    mp3.

    There is no DRM at all, which means it's compatible with everything.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't think stores offer it because they need to cough up each time it's downloaded.

    Anyway, Amazon seems to be the way to go for me. Uses DRM-free MP3s, and is cheaper than iTunes.

    I'd still buy CDs if possible. Sound quality is better, and you get a nice CD and case and whatnot.

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  • Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    yeah, I know about the reassociation thing... It's not practical though since 3 of those 4 computers are in use, and the other one died in a fire.
    Get rid of the one that caught fire then. You still have room for two more machines.

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  • ElucidaElucida Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Does Amazon allow re-downloading of previously purchased content? This is one thing I would kinda like before I'll drop money on a digital download (and a huge reason I avoid iTunes). Bandwidth is cheap, there's no real reason I shouldn't be able to re-download a song Steam-style if it gets deleted for some reason.

    If Amazon doesn't, which stores do? And do any of these offer quasi-decent selections of mainstream (which is to say major-label, not necessarily top-40) content?

    Amazon doesn't allow you to re-download content, so whatever you buy you'll probably want to backup immediately.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    yeah, I know about the reassociation thing... It's not practical though since 3 of those 4 computers are in use, and the other one died in a fire.
    Get rid of the one that caught fire then. You still have room for two more machines.

    We were talking about this in the mac thread, and apparently the only way to get rid of that computer (without resetting all his account associations) is to de-authorize it from that computer. Which, having been incinerated, probably is a bit of a stretch. I was told apple will reset all your associations back to five open slots, once you use up all available 5 slots, if you ask them to.

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  • darkenedwingdarkenedwing Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    yea, in your account settings, once you have 5 computers authorized, you can click "deauthorize", and it deauthorizes every PC so you have 5 new authorizations.

    Also, a lot of songs use Itunes Plus, which is DRM free (for the most part. but it is tagged still, so they will know who pirates it if you pirate it).

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  • DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm very happy with eMusic, though it's a bit different to the other ones mentioned here. You subscribe and pay $X each month which gets you X number of downloads to spend as you'd like (I'm currently paying $12 for 40 songs/month). All of their files are DRM-free mp3's so they're yours to keep forever even if you cancel you account. Oh and yes, you can re-download your files if you need to. They are mostly focused on indie & alternative music, so it may not be suitable for everyone, but for me it's pretty much the only store I need.

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  • LeztaLezta Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    yea, in your account settings, once you have 5 computers authorized, you can click "deauthorize", and it deauthorizes every PC so you have 5 new authorizations.

    This. I have never heard of this de-authorising from the individual PC thing. It sounds crazy and not the truth. Because it isn't.

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  • shadydentistshadydentist Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm fairly satisfied with amazon. The only downside is that you cannot redownload music if you lose it.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm trying magnatune out right now. I think I might buy their unlimited service. I don't think they DRM their stuff at all. In fact, they endorse giving away 3 copies away. Seems really sweet. Very Indie but hell, I'll take it.

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  • PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Dìrhael wrote: »
    I'm very happy with eMusic, though it's a bit different to the other ones mentioned here. You subscribe and pay $X each month which gets you X number of downloads to spend as you'd like (I'm currently paying $12 for 40 songs/month). All of their files are DRM-free mp3's so they're yours to keep forever even if you cancel you account. Oh and yes, you can re-download your files if you need to. They are mostly focused on indie & alternative music, so it may not be suitable for everyone, but for me it's pretty much the only store I need.

    eMusic used to be my favorite one. This was 6 or 7 years ago and the model was unlimited downloads for a flat-fee. I found a lot of music that way and it can be a great way to discover artists. But their new system is rather irritating as far as predicting the number of tracks you will be likely to purchase. I re-subscribed for a free trial to see how it had changed and immediately found myself skipping albums I wanted to download because I could only get the first 10 tracks.

    I think for value and selection Amazon is a good bet. They don't get some of the nice exclusive deals that iTunes does but they are generally cheaper and have no DRM. The last thing I bought from them was the new Brian Eno for 5 bucks the day it came out. I honestly have not had a chance to listen to it but that album is selling for more from every other retailer I came across.

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  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Amazon MP3 store is indeed amazing. 256 kbps VBR means it's essentially impossible to tell apart from lossless. And since it's MP3 format it works with everything. Plus they embed high-quality album art (600x600).

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  • The Reverend Dr GalactusThe Reverend Dr Galactus Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    eMusic is perfect if you like the following:

    • Independent music
    • Amassing playlists one song at a time instead of buying entire albums

    You can still find some more mainstream stuff there, and of course you can get a whole album at a time, but it's annoying because eMusic doesn't account for albums in the "download credits" you get each month. This is no problem for your average 10-track album, but for something like Max Richter's latest orchestral concept album with 24 little tracks, it feels kind of dumb to blow most of your monthly credits on a single album, while at the same time it's kind of unfair to acts like Godspeed You Black Emperor! whose albums consist of three 15-minute tracks.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Amazon MP3 store is indeed amazing. 256 kbps VBR means it's essentially impossible to tell apart from lossless. And since it's MP3 format it works with everything. Plus they embed high-quality album art (600x600).

    Can you "re-rip" 256 kbps MP3's into 256 AAC without it sounding bad afterwards? May be a dumb question, but I know very little about these sorts of things. :P

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kris wrote: »
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Amazon MP3 store is indeed amazing. 256 kbps VBR means it's essentially impossible to tell apart from lossless. And since it's MP3 format it works with everything. Plus they embed high-quality album art (600x600).

    Can you "re-rip" 256 kbps MP3's into 256 AAC without it sounding bad afterwards? May be a dumb question, but I know very little about these sorts of things. :P

    Yes. It'll sound a little bad. What the hell would you do that?

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kris wrote: »
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Amazon MP3 store is indeed amazing. 256 kbps VBR means it's essentially impossible to tell apart from lossless. And since it's MP3 format it works with everything. Plus they embed high-quality album art (600x600).

    Can you "re-rip" 256 kbps MP3's into 256 AAC without it sounding bad afterwards? May be a dumb question, but I know very little about these sorts of things. :P

    Yes. It'll sound a little bad. What the hell would you do that?

    Because I'm ripping my entire CD collection as 256 AAC, and I'm horribly OCD, so the thought of having mp3s strewn about my collection bugs me. I should get help. :P

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  • bashbash Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kris wrote: »
    Kris wrote: »
    RandomEngy wrote: »
    Amazon MP3 store is indeed amazing. 256 kbps VBR means it's essentially impossible to tell apart from lossless. And since it's MP3 format it works with everything. Plus they embed high-quality album art (600x600).

    Can you "re-rip" 256 kbps MP3's into 256 AAC without it sounding bad afterwards? May be a dumb question, but I know very little about these sorts of things. :P

    Yes. It'll sound a little bad. What the hell would you do that?

    Because I'm ripping my entire CD collection as 256 AAC, and I'm horribly OCD, so the thought of having mp3s strewn about my collection bugs me. I should get help. :P

    Doing this would be idiotic. While reripping the MP3 to an AAC file won't make it horrible sounding it will not sound as good as the original MP3. It would be a waste of time and a waste of your money.

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  • bashbash Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Most of the time I use either iTunes or Amazon. If I want something and it isn't available as iTunes Plus (DRM-free) I'll head over to Amazon and look for it there. I've only run into a few cases where I couldn't find artists on either site. Neither eMusic or Magnatune really work for me as I tend not to find anything on either site I want to actually buy. It's not a problem with the sites themselves, just their selection. They either have stuff I don't want or stuff by indie labels that are also on iTunes and Amazon.

    As for redownloading music, are CD-Rs or DVD-Rs too expensive for anyone? My machine does daily backups but I also back up web purchased music on CD-R/DVD-R and keep it out of the way. iTunes will burn music CDs that maintain all of the library metadata for songs so if you do have to reimport them you won't lose ratings or custom sorting. It's pretty simple to make a smart playlist that contains all purchased tracks and hit the "Burn" button.

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  • shadydentistshadydentist Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Serious question: Does converting music between lossless codecs degrade quality? In theory, no samples are lost, so I would assume no, but...

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    What the hell.

    So I was using iTunes before, and curisoty made me check this thread, and inside I hear of this Amazon store, so I went to check it out. Over there, I saw a DVD I liked, and added it to my cart. Then I saw the suggestions, with new products that came out, and so on.

    Now I just ordered almost 200$ worth of DVDs just from checking this stupid thread.
    Fuck you all.

    :P

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  • kpeezykpeezy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Serious question: Does converting music between lossless codecs degrade quality? In theory, no samples are lost, so I would assume no, but...

    Nope. Not from WAV to FLAC and vice versa at least. I haven't used the others but it's probably the same.

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  • SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hmm.

    If anyone want to download live shows taped from various sources and from various bands which allow it, the Live Music Archive from etree has a bunch of stuff from a lot of bands in a few different formats.

    Obviously only certain artists are going to be on here but hey you might like something.

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