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24's are definitely pricier than 22's, but still they're pretty reasonable (I got one of mine for 240$ CDN, months and months back,) and you can generally get nice enough ones starting at a few hundred dollars. A quality TFT-TN panel is fairly affordable in the 24" format, and on the higher end 24's there are more panel options than generally available with smaller LCDs. A 24" display does often mean spending a bit more on a GPU --for gamers--if you want to ensure you can comfortably drive games at your native resolution until your next GPU upgrade. At certain price ranges (for computers/gpus), 24's don't make much sense at all because of that, because your GPU has to be roughly a third more powerful to perform as well at the native LCD resolution as with a 22".
I've always figured that unless you're an audiophile, the one thing you'll always be using when you use your computer is your display, so it should be a good one. I don't mean everyone should go spring for 24s or anything, but I'm always surprised at how little research / how much of an afterthought a display can be for a lot of users when they're willing to spend so much time picking out GPUs and CPUs.
edit: I don't at all mean to imply PA'ers or anyone in this thread are doing that, I just do a lot of computer work and it's a trend I notice in general.
I've been checking out monitors for months. Well, the fact that I was supposed to get one for Christmas and didn't gave meeven more time to think more about it but still, whenever I'm making a purchase I like to look into it. if I'm spending money I might as well spend it well. When I switched from 15'' to 19'' 2 years ago it was a whole new world, but now I really feel like I could use something bigger to compensate the fact that I don't have an HDTV, so I'm really trying to get money for a 24''. Probably a Benq g2400wd or an HP 2408h, thing is, the lack of DVI is a con and I don't know if I like that reflection.
I've been browsing the latest 24" myself and I believe the HP seems to be the best one bang for buck available. If you're in the UK (or can find an importer) you may want to look at the Hazro HZ24Wi, the HZ26Wi has been reviewed in TFTCentral.co.uk and has an average of 7.5ms input lag (compared to the HP's 25ms and the Dell 2408WFP's 35ms, after the latest firmware revision). Some cons are: it's a glossy screen (depends on how you feel about glossies, I don't mind as long as the lighting environment is ok), it does not have a height adjustable stand, no USB inputs and there is also a lack of backlight control in the OSD (apparently it's due to the revised firmware taking up too much memory, so they had to cut back on other features while they fixed the other more glaring issues such as colour banding). There should be a new revision come February if you're willing to wait.
This page contains some colour profiles that you may want to tinker with. I still own a 3 year old TN panel so I have no experience with colour calibration, but you should be able to adjust the monitor without totally screwing up anything
Anyway, I notice that the HP does not have output audio jack. Say I were to use the monitor with my Xbox 360, how would I go about outputting sound if I used HDMI??
Soundcard with digital input, I guess. So the Dell monitors are somewhat usable now? I've already ordered a HP LP2475w to see if it's usable enough for me, still wondering how bad color issues will be... Only sRGB alternative I've found is the NEC LCD24WMGX3, which is way expensive and also has some ghosting issues I've heard. Ugh, why does LCD technology suck so much.
I know you're looking for a monitor with height adjustment, and that was my biggest reservation about the monitor we bought for my wife for Christmas, but I have to say after having it home for a few weeks that it's completely won us over and I honestly can't imagine we could be any happier with the monitor we chose.
We looked at this monitor (http://www.gateway.com/retail/fhd2401.php) at our local Microcenter and we both thought it just looked nicer than the other 24" monitors we saw there, including the ones considerably more expensive from NEC, HP, DELL and some others I don't recall offhand. Those 24"s didn't have the quite the same silky, glossy look with the vibrant colors that this one did. I don't know how to describe it really. I think for us the colors were more important than anything else and in that area this monitor excels. Anyhow we planned on taking it back the next day if the height didn't work out but luckily it's perfect for the desk my wife has it on and we've had no issues there.
This thing has the best colors I've personally ever seen on a monitor. Playing WoW in 1920x1200 with 8x AA and all settings maxxed feels like you're playing WoW2, to me anyway. It doesn't even look like the same game compared to our other dinky 20.1" widescreen NECs, though that may seem silly. I can't wait to see what some of the other newer games like Fallout 3 and Dawn of War 2 look like on this thing. No complaints whatsoever, but obviously I wouldn't buy it without a store nearby I could return it to either same day or the next day if the height didn't work out.
It's a TN monitor though, so it got horrible viewing angle problems. Which I seem to notice in dark images even when I'm not viewing my TN monitor at an angle.
Got mine today, running it in clone dual display mode with the TN monitor to compare... First, I got a practically flawless display, no dead pixels, no large backlight issues and none of the production errors on some of these panels. Yai.
White glow/oversaturated colors are noticeable,but I doubt I'll notice either much when I turn off the comparison TN screen. I think they'll be fairly insignificant issues compared to TN viewing angles anyway.
Need to set this up as my main monitor and run some more tests and get the colors better, but first impressions are good.
Wow, that is a great price for 26 inches. I don't know anything about that monitor, just that Westinghouse is a moderately reputable brand who mostly make TVs. I'm sure it's a TN panel, so it's not going to be amazing in any case, but it's probably a good value.
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Wow, that is a great price for 26 inches. I don't know anything about that monitor, just that Westinghouse is a moderately reputable brand who mostly make TVs. I'm sure it's a TN panel, so it's not going to be amazing in any case, but it's probably a good value.
What's an TN panel and why isn't that amazing? I'm a bit of a videophile, would that matter?
TN panels are the most common type used in LCD monitors today. They have poor viewing angles, especially vertically, meaning that the colors change brightness and sometimes tone based on the angle at which you are viewing the screen. "No big deal, I only view it head-on", you might say. Well, you should know that on my TN panel (admittedly 1.5 years old) the viewing angles are bad enough that a solid color filling the screen looks like a slight gradient due to the different angle at which I am viewing different parts of the screen.
Another common TN problem is color accuracy. Technically TN panels are 6-bit, meaning they offer significantly less of the color spectrum than a normal 8-bit monitor. They typically make up for this through dithering. Good monitors are good enough at dithering that you won't notice it; on bad ones, it can be an issue.
TN panels also typically offer worse black levels, so it's harder to distinguish parts of dark images due to their contrast.
What's the upside? TN panels are cheap, mainly. If it's under $500 it's probably a TN, and you're not likely to find a better panel for cheaper than that. TN panels also often offer less motion blur than high-end panels (better for gaming and to some extent watching videos) and less input lag (short delay between when something actually happens on the computer and when the monitor displays it).
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That thing looks so awesome. Seems like an ideal monitor, price not considered.
Man, I was hoping for another incarnation of the awesome IPS-based 20wmgx2, but it looks like technology hasn't quite reached the point where we can get 24" IPS with <15ms lag.
Unfortunately my 20" is developing a problem along the upper edges, and i'll need to replace it soon...hopefully the gx3 drops to a decent price range before it craps out The gx2 does have banding, and it looks like they did improve on that aspect from the review.
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TN panels are the most common type used in LCD monitors today. They have poor viewing angles, especially vertically, meaning that the colors change brightness and sometimes tone based on the angle at which you are viewing the screen. "No big deal, I only view it head-on", you might say. Well, you should know that on my TN panel (admittedly 1.5 years old) the viewing angles are bad enough that a solid color filling the screen looks like a slight gradient due to the different angle at which I am viewing different parts of the screen.
Another common TN problem is color accuracy. Technically TN panels are 6-bit, meaning they offer significantly less of the color spectrum than a normal 8-bit monitor. They typically make up for this through dithering. Good monitors are good enough at dithering that you won't notice it; on bad ones, it can be an issue.
TN panels also typically offer worse black levels, so it's harder to distinguish parts of dark images due to their contrast.
What's the upside? TN panels are cheap, mainly. If it's under $500 it's probably a TN, and you're not likely to find a better panel for cheaper than that. TN panels also often offer less motion blur than high-end panels (better for gaming and to some extent watching videos) and less input lag (short delay between when something actually happens on the computer and when the monitor displays it).
That is my current monitor, which I also believe is TN and it works beautifully. Would you say the Westinghouse one is as good or better than my current one? If so I think I'll grab it, what do you think, should I? I mean it normally retails for 5-600 bucks and I could always go for a bigger monitor and sell my current one to a friend. Does the fact that it is only VGA or HDMI matter since it doesn't have DVI?
I wouldn't expect it to be significantly worse than your monitor, but who knows whether it's better. It is a good value, though. That's the cheapest I've ever seen a 26" monitor.
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Just so people know, there IS such a thing as a good TN panel. Most people wanting quality panels would do far better to buy a high end TN than a low-end-anything else. Seems like TN panels are getting a much shittier rep than they deserve.
IE, you should see the viewing angles, both horizontal and vertical, on a Soyo Topaz S (high quality) compared to a Samsung 2443BW (average.) Perspective will fuck over your viewing sooner than a shitty angle will. And you shouldn't expect a westinghouse 26" LCD to be just as good as any other TN panel, because TN panels are not all equally good.
No, I know they're not, but you're not going to convince me that any TN panel will have better viewing angles and still image quality than a VA or IPS panel, even the low-end ones. Less ghosting and input lag? Absolutely. Better colors? No fucking way.
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No, not better colours (at least for IPS, MVA/TN are pretty close if you're looking at a quality unit) but if a person is going out to buy an LCD and they're convinced TN panels are shitty, they're going to be awfully surprised when they spend 700$ on a IPS display and try to play some games on it, and then take a look at what they could have bought them in the quality TN department, at a much larger size / lower response time and probably less cost, all at the same time.
There are TNs with great viewing angles, though, just as good (at usable angles --and I'm being generous with the word 'usable') as other panel types out there. TNs just get a bad rep because all the low end displays are TN. And yeah, it sucks to sit down at a monitor and move your head to the left or right and see the colours/contrast change --but there are TNs where that's not a problem.
A low end IPS panel might trump a good TN in still image quality, but it'll be a smaller panel with much worse response time and generally make for a worse experience for an end user. As I said, most people wanting quality panels would do better to buy a quality TN than a budget anything else.
S-IPS is the panel of choice if you hunt up the right ones and have the money to spend (and I don't doubt S-IPS will be the future LCD standard,) but the general buyer is better off with a good TN than a cheap IPS --because the general user is more concerned with their average display experience than how accurate colours and blacks are on a still image.
I would agree with that, with the caveat that I believe the average user does not, in general, want to spend over $500 on a monitor. Personally, I probably won't be buying another TN, but I do some color-critical work, so there you go.
That said, as mentioned above, there are at least a couple lower-end IPS panels that can be had with low input lag and acceptable ghosting.
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A combination of not being sensitive to input lag (other than on my TV) and not having played any games where timing has been really important lately says I have no clue. Unreal Tournament 3 seemed fine though.
Colors are good enough after changing some settings here and there, a bit concerned about the IPS white glow thing, but I'm not sure how much an issue that will be when I stop trying to constantly pay attention to it.
Also I'm not saying TN monitors are shitty, I'm just saying they are for this large monitors.
Not having to worry about the aspect ratio is a definite draw to me.
Does anyone have any experience what some good models are? It's hard finding a real review, google just gives CNet crap. I would mostly be using these for gaming and Blu-rays. It doesn't have to be super-accurate, although I could use a colorimeter from work to help with that.
Like I had orginally posted, I was looking at the BenQ V2400W and I have to say it's great for gaming and Blu-ray's
It has 3 inputs as in DVI, HDMI and VGA
I would definitely recommend it though and I bet you can find it for under 400 bucks.
Not having to worry about the aspect ratio is a definite draw to me.
Does anyone have any experience what some good models are? It's hard finding a real review, google just gives CNet crap. I would mostly be using these for gaming and Blu-rays. It doesn't have to be super-accurate, although I could use a colorimeter from work to help with that.
That girl in the second link :winky:
Slightly unrelated:
Hey, before on this board I've recommended the LG 246WP. It's a nice P-MVA panel but I found out that it overscans PS3 and Sony Blu Ray Player input over HDMI. The outer edge of the image is cut off. It's like the image is blown up a bit... the aspect ratio is preserved so the image isn't distorted, but since it's overscanned I'm missing part of the picture (some logos on the edges of videos are partially cut off) and I'm not getting 1:1 pixel mapping.
With PC over HDMI, though, it's 1:1. With NVidia cards you need to edit the driver a bit or else the PC input is absolutely unacceptable.
With Xbox 360 over VGA, it seems to be proper 16:9 with not overscan.
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I use this Gateway Monitor for both my 360 and PS3. I have the 360 hooked up to it with the VGA adapter, and the PS3 with HDMI.
The only thing to remember is that it doesn't have speakers or audio out. So on the PS3, I have the normal AV cable hooked up to a switchbox which is in turn hooked up to some cheap computer speakers, and set the audio and video output separately in the System Settings. The 360 VGA Adapter also hooks it's audio into the switch box.
Uh it's a HP monitor. It's a black pixel though (usually, red subpixel seems to be working too), and pixels are very small on 24inch monitors. Still considering if I'm going to keep the monitor for other reasons.
Edit: also imo Dell's dead pixel policy looks pretty bad, 6 dead pixels is a lot.
Where is the pixel? I've got a single dead pixel on my 27" but it's near the top center edge of the monitor and I don't notice it. I can't even remember how I found it, most of the time I forget it's there.
Uh it's a HP monitor. It's a black pixel though (usually, red subpixel seems to be working too), and pixels are very small on 24inch monitors. Still considering if I'm going to keep the monitor for other reasons.
Edit: also imo Dell's dead pixel policy looks pretty bad, 6 dead pixels is a lot.
Haha whoops, I was checking out the 2408WFP (pretty bad input lag, otherwise it looked like the perfect monitor for me ) and forgot you were using a HP
Dell's policy for the premium monitors are alright, but only if you get bright pixels I guess.
Uh it's a HP monitor. It's a black pixel though (usually, red subpixel seems to be working too), and pixels are very small on 24inch monitors. Still considering if I'm going to keep the monitor for other reasons.
Edit: also imo Dell's dead pixel policy looks pretty bad, 6 dead pixels is a lot.
I've heard you can sometimes massage these pixels out (I know the sounds weird, but maybe give it a shot). Failing that, I think there might be some software online that can sometimes get rid of them.
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Not stuck, dead, pixel fixing programs won't work, after examining more I have this:
1 pixel where the blue and green subpixels are dead, red subpixel is working
1 pixel where the red subpixel is dead, green and blue subpixel are working
I can't actually see either of them during regular use (the one where only the red subpixel didn't work I probably wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for Mirror's Edge) but it's still sort of annoying. Not annoying enough for me to bother to return it to get a better one though (would've cost me shipping).
I've managed to get colors very similar to my old monitor, except slightly better as I never bothered to change the color settings on the old monitor at all. Oversaturated greens are somewhat annoying, reds aren't really a problem. This monitor also flickers less when slowly scrolling text than my old monitor did.
I really like that I can increase sharpness on the scaler so it doesn't ruin 2D pixel games. USB ports on a monitor is way more useful than I would've thought...
Tried connecting my PS2 with it and setting aspect ratio control to fill to aspect ratio and it actually managed to understand that the PAL images were 4:3, most TVs I've tried this on thinks it's 16:9! Which is more of a negative side of the TVs I tried than it is a positive side of this monitor, but whatever. It also understands that 640x400 is 4:3, which the Nvidia scaler I had to rely on with the old monitor doesn't.
Minor annoyance is that if I turn the brightness all the way down it's still pretty bright. It also seems to forget settings every once in a while, though I haven't figured out just why yet.
Still haven't bothered to play something that I would really notice input lag in, disarming most enemies in Mirror's Edge seemed to go much better than it did on my TV though.
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I've always figured that unless you're an audiophile, the one thing you'll always be using when you use your computer is your display, so it should be a good one. I don't mean everyone should go spring for 24s or anything, but I'm always surprised at how little research / how much of an afterthought a display can be for a lot of users when they're willing to spend so much time picking out GPUs and CPUs.
edit: I don't at all mean to imply PA'ers or anyone in this thread are doing that, I just do a lot of computer work and it's a trend I notice in general.
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This page contains some colour profiles that you may want to tinker with. I still own a 3 year old TN panel so I have no experience with colour calibration, but you should be able to adjust the monitor without totally screwing up anything
Anyway, I notice that the HP does not have output audio jack. Say I were to use the monitor with my Xbox 360, how would I go about outputting sound if I used HDMI??
http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/tech4less/LCD2490WUXi-BK?mv_pc=google_base&tts=20090108020701
Never ordered from that site myself, but I keep seeing this link posted on another forum, so I thought I'd mention it.
That thing looks so awesome. Seems like an ideal monitor, price not considered.
We looked at this monitor (http://www.gateway.com/retail/fhd2401.php) at our local Microcenter and we both thought it just looked nicer than the other 24" monitors we saw there, including the ones considerably more expensive from NEC, HP, DELL and some others I don't recall offhand. Those 24"s didn't have the quite the same silky, glossy look with the vibrant colors that this one did. I don't know how to describe it really. I think for us the colors were more important than anything else and in that area this monitor excels. Anyhow we planned on taking it back the next day if the height didn't work out but luckily it's perfect for the desk my wife has it on and we've had no issues there.
This thing has the best colors I've personally ever seen on a monitor. Playing WoW in 1920x1200 with 8x AA and all settings maxxed feels like you're playing WoW2, to me anyway. It doesn't even look like the same game compared to our other dinky 20.1" widescreen NECs, though that may seem silly. I can't wait to see what some of the other newer games like Fallout 3 and Dawn of War 2 look like on this thing. No complaints whatsoever, but obviously I wouldn't buy it without a store nearby I could return it to either same day or the next day if the height didn't work out.
White glow/oversaturated colors are noticeable,but I doubt I'll notice either much when I turn off the comparison TN screen. I think they'll be fairly insignificant issues compared to TN viewing angles anyway.
Need to set this up as my main monitor and run some more tests and get the colors better, but first impressions are good.
Another common TN problem is color accuracy. Technically TN panels are 6-bit, meaning they offer significantly less of the color spectrum than a normal 8-bit monitor. They typically make up for this through dithering. Good monitors are good enough at dithering that you won't notice it; on bad ones, it can be an issue.
TN panels also typically offer worse black levels, so it's harder to distinguish parts of dark images due to their contrast.
What's the upside? TN panels are cheap, mainly. If it's under $500 it's probably a TN, and you're not likely to find a better panel for cheaper than that. TN panels also often offer less motion blur than high-end panels (better for gaming and to some extent watching videos) and less input lag (short delay between when something actually happens on the computer and when the monitor displays it).
Man, I was hoping for another incarnation of the awesome IPS-based 20wmgx2, but it looks like technology hasn't quite reached the point where we can get 24" IPS with <15ms lag.
Unfortunately my 20" is developing a problem along the upper edges, and i'll need to replace it soon...hopefully the gx3 drops to a decent price range before it craps out
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That is my current monitor, which I also believe is TN and it works beautifully. Would you say the Westinghouse one is as good or better than my current one? If so I think I'll grab it, what do you think, should I? I mean it normally retails for 5-600 bucks and I could always go for a bigger monitor and sell my current one to a friend. Does the fact that it is only VGA or HDMI matter since it doesn't have DVI?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2336808,00.asp
http://www.dailygame.net/news/archives/008381.php
I wouldn't expect it to be significantly worse than your monitor, but who knows whether it's better. It is a good value, though. That's the cheapest I've ever seen a 26" monitor.
IE, you should see the viewing angles, both horizontal and vertical, on a Soyo Topaz S (high quality) compared to a Samsung 2443BW (average.) Perspective will fuck over your viewing sooner than a shitty angle will. And you shouldn't expect a westinghouse 26" LCD to be just as good as any other TN panel, because TN panels are not all equally good.
There are TNs with great viewing angles, though, just as good (at usable angles --and I'm being generous with the word 'usable') as other panel types out there. TNs just get a bad rep because all the low end displays are TN. And yeah, it sucks to sit down at a monitor and move your head to the left or right and see the colours/contrast change --but there are TNs where that's not a problem.
A low end IPS panel might trump a good TN in still image quality, but it'll be a smaller panel with much worse response time and generally make for a worse experience for an end user. As I said, most people wanting quality panels would do better to buy a quality TN than a budget anything else.
S-IPS is the panel of choice if you hunt up the right ones and have the money to spend (and I don't doubt S-IPS will be the future LCD standard,) but the general buyer is better off with a good TN than a cheap IPS --because the general user is more concerned with their average display experience than how accurate colours and blacks are on a still image.
That said, as mentioned above, there are at least a couple lower-end IPS panels that can be had with low input lag and acceptable ghosting.
Colors are good enough after changing some settings here and there, a bit concerned about the IPS white glow thing, but I'm not sure how much an issue that will be when I stop trying to constantly pay attention to it.
Also I'm not saying TN monitors are shitty, I'm just saying they are for this large monitors.
Like I had orginally posted, I was looking at the BenQ V2400W and I have to say it's great for gaming and Blu-ray's
It has 3 inputs as in DVI, HDMI and VGA
I would definitely recommend it though and I bet you can find it for under 400 bucks.
Slightly unrelated:
Hey, before on this board I've recommended the LG 246WP. It's a nice P-MVA panel but I found out that it overscans PS3 and Sony Blu Ray Player input over HDMI. The outer edge of the image is cut off. It's like the image is blown up a bit... the aspect ratio is preserved so the image isn't distorted, but since it's overscanned I'm missing part of the picture (some logos on the edges of videos are partially cut off) and I'm not getting 1:1 pixel mapping.
With PC over HDMI, though, it's 1:1. With NVidia cards you need to edit the driver a bit or else the PC input is absolutely unacceptable.
With Xbox 360 over VGA, it seems to be proper 16:9 with not overscan.
The only thing to remember is that it doesn't have speakers or audio out. So on the PS3, I have the normal AV cable hooked up to a switchbox which is in turn hooked up to some cheap computer speakers, and set the audio and video output separately in the System Settings. The 360 VGA Adapter also hooks it's audio into the switch box.
Oh dear lord.
Did you buy directly from Dell? Their dead pixel policy seems good.
Edit: also imo Dell's dead pixel policy looks pretty bad, 6 dead pixels is a lot.
Haha whoops, I was checking out the 2408WFP (pretty bad input lag, otherwise it looked like the perfect monitor for me
Dell's policy for the premium monitors are alright, but only if you get bright pixels I guess.
I've heard you can sometimes massage these pixels out (I know the sounds weird, but maybe give it a shot). Failing that, I think there might be some software online that can sometimes get rid of them.
1 pixel where the blue and green subpixels are dead, red subpixel is working
1 pixel where the red subpixel is dead, green and blue subpixel are working
I can't actually see either of them during regular use (the one where only the red subpixel didn't work I probably wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for Mirror's Edge) but it's still sort of annoying. Not annoying enough for me to bother to return it to get a better one though (would've cost me shipping).
I've managed to get colors very similar to my old monitor, except slightly better as I never bothered to change the color settings on the old monitor at all. Oversaturated greens are somewhat annoying, reds aren't really a problem. This monitor also flickers less when slowly scrolling text than my old monitor did.
I really like that I can increase sharpness on the scaler so it doesn't ruin 2D pixel games. USB ports on a monitor is way more useful than I would've thought...
Tried connecting my PS2 with it and setting aspect ratio control to fill to aspect ratio and it actually managed to understand that the PAL images were 4:3, most TVs I've tried this on thinks it's 16:9! Which is more of a negative side of the TVs I tried than it is a positive side of this monitor, but whatever. It also understands that 640x400 is 4:3, which the Nvidia scaler I had to rely on with the old monitor doesn't.
Minor annoyance is that if I turn the brightness all the way down it's still pretty bright. It also seems to forget settings every once in a while, though I haven't figured out just why yet.
Still haven't bothered to play something that I would really notice input lag in, disarming most enemies in Mirror's Edge seemed to go much better than it did on my TV though.
My only gripe is I have difficulty finding sub MAX res setting that don't make text all blurry.