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Cat refusing to use the box

matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off'Points to 'on'Registered User regular
edited December 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
We have two cats, both about to turn 2 years old. They're sisters from the same litter. We've had them since they were kittens, and they've been using the same box the whole time. Just recently, one has begun peeing in front of our bathroom door, instead of in the box. We assume she's still pooping in the box, since we're not finding little turd piles everywhere.

We've cleaned the spot she pees in with bleach, and used an enzyme cleaner on top of that. She gets the usual "show her the spot and smack her butt" punishment, followed by carrying her to the litter box and putting her in it, but it's been going on for a little more than a week now and nothing's changed. All the google results I came up with were for new cats not using a box, I didn't see any that talked about a cat who had been using a box that just decided to stop.

So, any ideas? I don't want to kennel her, we really don't have room for it since we're just in a 1 bedroom apartment.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Don't punish the cat for what she does. Instead, praise her when she does use the box. Also, don't force her into her box in aa way that she might take as mean, it won't help if she is afraid of you or the box.
    We have a cat who used to only pee outside the box. In your situation, I would use a clumping litter (so you can see when she pees), and buy a new box and put it by the bathroom. Maybe she just really wants to go over there.

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  • SilvertreeSilvertree Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Normally when a cat that has been using the litter box stops it is because it is distressed. Did you change anything? New litter? Visitor stop by? Gone a lot more then usual? If you can't think of anything your cat might be having urinary tract issues. I would recommend a trip to the vet.

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  • Caliban42Caliban42 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    My cat did the same thing and the research I did suggested she had an infection, so that's something to look into. Apparently when a cat has a urinary tract infection, it will pee somewhere other than the litter box. For my cat, it turned out that she's just super, super picky about her litter box. Now I clean it in before and after work, plus every other week I take the box outside and completely scrub it down with disinfectant whereas I used to only do that about once a month.

    You can also buy a pheromone spray to put on the place where she pees. The idea is that the pheromones attract her to the spot and she'll feel comfortable there and view it as a living space, not a litter box.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Do you have a covered/uncovered litterbox? Did you change that recently?

    Of course, what one cat likes the other might not.

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  • Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Definately don't smack the cat's ass. Cats aren't like dogs, they aren't going to understand they did something wrong after the fact.

    And, you should definately have two litter boxes anyways. I had a one bedroom apartment with two cats, and we managed to fit in two boxes without any problem.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Another note about my cat, if we don't scoop every day she doesn't like it. Understandable of course, but I've known people who scoop every other day or longer without any problems.

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  • Aoi TsukiAoi Tsuki Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Get her to the vet and quit smacking her, for God's sakes. Not even dogs respond to nose-rubbing (they just assume peeing where you can find it is bad and shit behind the couch), and a cat is just going to get more miserable, especially if its butt is in pain.

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  • oncelingonceling Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yeah you'll need to rule things out with the vet first. The most likely cause is usually medical for this specific case. There's no point even trying out the other suggestions until you've had a vet trip (aside from cleaning out the box more often) because cats can go downhill pretty fast when sick.

    After that, make sure you completely replace the box every 6 months or so, make sure your cat is using it's preferred litter (changing brands is bad if they like their current one) and the box is always nice and clean.

    If there's been a change in social structure between the two cats you may need a second box. For 2 cats, some people even recommend 3, but personally I have not had trouble with just 2 cats, 2 boxes.

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  • X3x3nonX3x3non Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I guess I am old timey but smacking my cat on the butt and then putting it into the litter box has made them understand every time as it has for my parents and their grand parents. This is not because I like being mean to animals, it is just that you want to 'raise' them well. I think you take cats for being stupider then they are, in my experience they understand quite well what you want to get across. Of course this has nothing to do with cats that have previously used to box not using it anymore now. The UTI thing sounds like a plausible lead. Maybe cats don't want to spread the bacteria to where they usually pee?

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  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    And, you should definately have two litter boxes anyways. I had a one bedroom apartment with two cats, and we managed to fit in two boxes without any problem.

    I would do this before going to the vet.

    My wife and I own two cats, sisters from the same litter, and after 6 months or so, one of them started shitting on the floor instead of in the litter box. At the time we were only using one litter pan, so we thought that the other cat might be preventing the first one from using the box. The problem stopped as soon as we put in the second pan and we haven't had a problem since.

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  • Aoi TsukiAoi Tsuki Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    X3x3non wrote: »
    I guess I am old timey but smacking my cat on the butt and then putting it into the litter box has made them understand every time as it has for my parents and their grand parents. This is not because I like being mean to animals, it is just that you want to 'raise' them well. I think you take cats for being stupider then they are, in my experience they understand quite well what you want to get across. Of course this has nothing to do with cats that have previously used to box not using it anymore now. The UTI thing sounds like a plausible lead. Maybe cats don't want to spread the bacteria to where they usually pee?

    I'm willing to concede that this works for one-time effective discipline, especially if the cat's doing something dangerous (I did whack my girl cat on the head when she thought "don't chew that wire" was indicated in jest), but making it a "usual" punishment over the course of a week when it's clearly failed to fix the problem? Not so much.

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  • Luck3ySe7enLuck3ySe7en The ROKRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I think i've seen this thread before... but anyhow, my cat had the same problem with always going into the bathroom to do her business. When my wife and i moved into the new house, we made sure that we always closed the bathrooms and bedrooms before we went to work. She would only occasionally use the litter box (in the laundry room closet) until we left her in there one day (no we didnt neglect her :P ) and then she got the idea.

    And as far as discipline goes, i dont think hitting is going to help the situation. I know Cesar Milan (Dog Whisperer) has a great philosophy on how to raise dogs so i tried using it with our cat. Whenever i dont want her to do something like eat the bouquet of roses or eat the christmas tree, lol, i just stand up and snap my fingers to get her attention, then she stops. When i want to praise her, i make another distinct noise to call her over and pet her. While you're disciplining, you should act like your the lion and she's the cub. i know it sounds wierd, but its always worked for me and i've never hit my cat or even done anything physical to teach her a lesson.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ok, back from work.

    I've had cats my whole life. As a kid my parents usually had between 5 and 8. Aside from the usual kitten issues, and the occasional territorial issue, one box worked just fine for them.

    The litter is the same we've used since getting them, Feline Pine. The box is an open box. Actually, it's a box with a top that we don't use the top for. The same cat that is currently peeing by the bathroom had box issues when we used a regular rectangular box. She'd put her front paws in the litter, her back paws on the edge of the box, and pee all over the floor. So we got a lidded box that had a higher back than front, tossed the top to it, and put it in a corner next to a bookcase.

    The only recent change we've made was we moved the couches from against the wall out to the middle of the living room. They're still sleeping on the couches like always, there hasn't been any change to their access fo the apartment.

    Our problem is we're not home enough to encourage her when she pees in the box. We've caught her peeing by the bathroom twice now just by sheer luck (or, sheer un-luck maybe...) which was the only way we knew who was doing the peeing. Usually we just find dried urine on the floor when we come home from work or wake up in the morning.

    This is an extremely strong willed cat too, as odd as it may sound. She doesn't "get" discipline. You'll catch her doing something, tell her no or snap your fingers, and she'll look right at you and continue doing it. We don't let her in the bedroom any more, because the last time we did she promptly jumped up on my side, looked right at me, and peed on my pillow.

    We thought it might be a case of one keeping the other out of the box, but the dominant one is the one doing the peeing. We had to set out a second food and water bowl for our other cat, because she was being scared away by the one we're having trouble with peeing now.

    I'll check into the possibility of it being an infection though, I hadn't heard of that being a cause.

    Thanks again for the ideas guys.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Just because things have worked in the past does not mean that they will work now.
    Face it, what you know to do hasn't been working at all. Also, animals change. Sometimes for no discernible reason they won't like what they've had before.

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    More then likely:

    the cat is stressed about something. Try to find out what.

    OR

    It has a urinary tract and/or bladder problem.

    If they are litter mates, they shouldn't have a problem using the same box. But, it might help if you put another one in there. the "rule" I've heard is 1 box per cat + 1. so two cats would be 2+1 or 3 boxes.

    I would just put another one in a different part of the house

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The only recent change we've made was we moved the couches from against the wall out to the middle of the living room. They're still sleeping on the couches like always, there hasn't been any change to their access fo the apartment.


    Our male cat started pissing a lot on the carpet when we move the furniture to clean... hrm.

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  • DisDis Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Since we can't communicate with animals.
    We are only left with the STICK :evil:
    or
    We could try some mutual communication to find out the problem. o_O

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    Dis wrote: »
    Since we can't communicate with animals.
    We are only left with the STICK :evil:
    or
    We could try some mutual communication to find out the problem. o_O

    Stop posting in H/A until your posts contain some form of useful help or advice, please.

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  • nuclearalchemistnuclearalchemist Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Some of my relatives had a problem with a cat that they had all of their life. The deal was that my cousin (female) was pregnant, and the cat knew before she did. Other than that, I would say that probably something has changed/infection just like everybody else has already said.

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  • oncelingonceling Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    You're saying that the same cat used to have issues peeing out the side of the box. I'm not convinced that this cat really likes the litter.

    It's up to you of course, you know her best - but you might even want to consider a series of cardboard boxes (just for cheapest cost) cut shallow with some different litter types. See if the problem child suddenly falls in love with crystals or a corn-base like world's best (which I must admit, I'm obsessed with).

    Generally, I've heard that a submissive cat buries their litter, and a dominant cat may leave it uncovered. In my household, my idiot blond cat often leaves her litter unburied. Her younger (but much bigger, heavier and stronger) housemate waits outside, whacks her on the head when she's done and goes in and buries it. Technically he's the dominant one although their power struggles continue.

    I wonder if your submissive cat is pissing (pun not intended) off your dominant cat with whatever he's doing in the box. I think you might want a second box. Just my 2c.

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