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HD noob TV setup
Delzhand
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My father in law gave us a Hitachi C29-F800SNT today because he got a new TV. I have no idea what the different inputs, HD, resmolutions are. I've used the trusty Red Yellow and White cables since the SNES days.
On the back of the TV there are blue, green, and red plugs marked cb, cr, y, and two red and white audio underneath them. But when I plug the matching plugs on my Xbox 360 into them and turn the TV on to the ycbcr input channel, I just get a blue screen that says HITACHI. I've got the switch on the back of the Xbox cord set to HDTV, but there's no sound, no visual.
I can plug the red/white/yellow cables into AV1 and everything works fine when the Xbox cord is switched to TV.
I don't have a user guide for the TV or a remote, and I followed the instructions in the Xbox manual to the letter. Is ycbcr not necessarily HD? Am I doing something wrong?
Edit: If I leave the xbox cord set to TV, then the Ycbcr input channel works just like normal. Is it possible my tv only supports 420 somethingorothers?
On the back of the TV there are blue, green, and red plugs marked cb, cr, y, and two red and white audio underneath them. But when I plug the matching plugs on my Xbox 360 into them and turn the TV on to the ycbcr input channel, I just get a blue screen that says HITACHI. I've got the switch on the back of the Xbox cord set to HDTV, but there's no sound, no visual.
I can plug the red/white/yellow cables into AV1 and everything works fine when the Xbox cord is switched to TV.
I don't have a user guide for the TV or a remote, and I followed the instructions in the Xbox manual to the letter. Is ycbcr not necessarily HD? Am I doing something wrong?
Edit: If I leave the xbox cord set to TV, then the Ycbcr input channel works just like normal. Is it possible my tv only supports 420 somethingorothers?
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Edit: Oh, you fixed it. Component is analog, not digital. HDMI on the other hand, which I assume is the4 only HD option available for the XBox is a digital signal.
If you TV does not have HDMI, I would be surprised if it was 720p (pixel density, basically).
Since you seem to be new to this stuff, www.monoprice.com for all of your cables. Buy the cheapest stuff you can get there that will meet your needs.
Not necessarily true. A large amount of the first generation sets didn't ship with HDMI. My first one was a rear projection set right when HD hit the public; did up to 1080i but was component only.
To the OP, since you didn't mention seeing an HDMI port I assume there aren't any back there? If you look and you find that there are, that is by far your best/easiest solution.
EDIT: Improv, just realized that you probably meant that it skips the 720p resolution in favor of something like the 1080i, not that it couldn't do an HD signal. I'm an idiot.
If HDMI is a small, trapezoidal input, yeah, there isn't anything like that back there.
You do realize that you TV you have isn't HD, right?
So in short, you can still use component, as it provides a better quality image, but you want to set the switch on the end of the cable to "TV", not "HDTV".
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Switch: 6200-8149-0919 / Wii U: maximumzero / 3DS: 0860-3352-3335 / eBay Shop
TV makers are such dicks.
Good thing I got it for free. If I was paying for it I'd probably have been scammed into thinking I bought an HD tv. Well, not really, because I would have done research before making a purchase.
Anyway, thanks for the help! Just out of curiosity, what about that PDF gives away that it isn't HD, other than the fact that it doesn't say "this tv has HD capabilities"? Or is it just obvious by omission?
Well, the biggest tip-offs is that it's not 16:9 and it's a CRT.
While there are some HDTVs that are CRTs and some that aren't 16:9, they're not very common.
Otherwise, there would be a listing in the specs about resolution and what standards are supported (480p, 720p, 1080i/p)
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I had a CRT that was HD, but it was 16:9. 4:3 + CRT definitely means non-HD, though.
And for the record, I never realized how terrible HD looks on a CRT until I upgraded to an LCD. Wow.
Obviously it's not 1920x1080, and yes my games are cut off on the sides slightly.
Having 1080 scanlines doesn't mean it's HD. Losing a quarter of your video source should make that apparent. Anyone that markets that as HD is a scam artist.
You might have just had a crummy CRT then. Sony makes, or made, beautiful HD CRT screens that still more than hold their own against any flat panel.
It's just that most folks don't think picture quality is worth having a TV that weighs more than an offensive linemen.
That's true. Mine was pretty mid-range at best.
Really? CRT offers way better picture quality, lower lag, and higher dynamic contrast than any other TV type. They've only fallen out of disfavor because of their large size and weight.
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I basically had problems like SD users see on a lot of HD games. Some text was way too small or distorted. Map icons in thing like GTA4 were unreadable blotches. There was lots of blur that I no longer see on my LCD.
It was almost like I was stuck in some sort of limbo between SD and HD.
But to be fair they have been making these "flat CRTs" for ages, my parents still have one
Back in the CRT-dominated days, flat screens were pretty useful in terms of reducing glare and image distortion. In my experience, the improvement in distortion/geometry was minimal, but the improvement in glare was significant.
Of course these days LCDs are almost universally matte screens, so CRT's not going to win any battles in over-lighted rooms.
I have a 32" Sony Wega CRT that is 4:3, and does 480, 720, & 1080i. It has one HDMI, 2 component, & 4 composite (3 with s-video) inputs. It's a few years old and my only complaint with it is over scan. The thing weighs around 235 pounds and I had to take the railing off my stairs just so my brother and I could get it into our front room.
It's big and bulky and our mother hated it. She said it felt too big in the front room. She's in her 50s can't live alone and it just over whelmed her. That was until she went to a friends house who had a little 24" SD in their front room aways away from their couch. She came home sat in front of the TV watching an HD news feed and declared her friends TV was too damn small. She became hooked on HD without even realizing it.
Minor nitpick:
Component cables can transfer a picture as three colors, but the most common variety used in US TVs, and the kind on the OP's TV, doesn't. Y/Cb/Cr sends the signal as image brightness (the Y), the difference in the color from blue (the Cb), and the difference in the color from red (the Cr).
You can also have Y/Pb/Pr, which is the same thing only analog.
Neat.
It's a high resolution display. I could care less if it fit into whatever the marketing defines HD as. My samsung looks better then my buddies 1080p lg, for whatever it's worth.
That's all that really matters, then.
Actually, having 1080 scanlines means it's HD pretty much by definition. HD doesn't mean "widescreen" and it doesn't mean "progressive scan", it means that the display has 720 or more lines of vertical resolution.
Your T.V. mighta needed to be calibrated by a pro. My Panasonic Tau had those problem, and a huge overscan problem. It was all fixed once I gotten it calibrated.
It does support it. It can display the images. Just not in an optimal manner.
I'm not disagreeing that 4:3 HD displays are stupid, since almost all HD content is 16:9. But it is, legitimately, HD, and it's not disingenuous about anything. Especially since HD CRTs were sold at a time when there really wasn't any HD content anywhere, so making a 4:3 display was slightly less retarded.
You may be able to calibrate the overscan without a pro. My TV allows that sort of tweak. Fool around with your menus before you drop $300 on a pro, but make sure you record your settings if you plan to go crazy, so you can undo anything you did.