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Dropped WD External HD clicks

mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
(I wasn't sure if H/A or the Tech board was more appropriate, so move this if you feel it to be out of place)

So while my dad was unloading a bag from my car my external drive (Western Digital) fell out and landed on the floor (it was in a cotton bag). However, now when I try and turn it on and plug it into a computer, it doesn't read and after a few seconds the drive clicks for about 10 seconds more until powering down. Reading up on drive clicking, it seems that it has something to do with the head and basically without sending it somewhere and paying for a file recovery, i'm more or less screwed. I read an article that said that freezing the drive sometimes condenses the metal and puts the parts back in place, so I've just recently put the HD in a freezer bag and let it sit in there for a bit.

Are there any other options that I have? It was a 500gb HD about 65% full, so even though most of the files are back up's a fair amount are on there to save space on my PC, thus making them the only copies.

Also, if I do have to send it in for repair, how much would a recovery like this cost? Though most of the lost files are purely for luxury, if its not ridiculously over-priced I would consider going down that road.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    File recovery is usually ridiculously overpriced. Places here in Australia are about 800 or so, if I remember correctly.

    I have had the same problem as you with a few drives. I tried EVERYTHING. Couldn't get it to read. :( Maybe someone else here has better ideas?

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    it seems that it has something to do with the head and basically without sending it somewhere and paying for a file recovery, i'm more or less screwed.

    Sorry to say but yeah. Clicking is bad. You can try the freezing method and copying as much off of it as you can, even try different computers (long shot), but you never know. A quick google about drive recovery shows its about a $400 ding for the whole drive, but it's up to you on how much it's worth. You may be able to find something cheaper. The data should be sound unless the arm has been scraping across the platter.

    EDIT: Read the OP again and if most of the data is already a backup, just write it off. The drive is dead. GB's are cheap these days and unless what you haven't backed up is worth it, just forget it and buy a new drive. Getting this broken one working just isn't worth it.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    You can't break it more than it already is. If it won't recognize it at all what else could go wrong? The only thing worse would be throwing it down a flight of stairs.

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  • blakfeldblakfeld Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Tap it to try and unfreeze it, do it from both sides, and as mentioned above, you can't break it any more. A lot of times when you drop it, the head just gets stuck in the side and locks there. You shouldn't even have to hit it hard, just a few good solid taps, start soft, then end not much harder than you'd give a really solid knock on a door.

    Don't do data recovery though, its ridiculous. I'm a Geek Squad agent, and for us to send it to a clean room it starts at $259 and goes all the way to $1,800. And it gets there quick

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  • mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanks for all of the quick responses guys. After thinking about it I've realized that all the files that I had can be replaced eventually, and given the obnoxiously high price for data recovery it seems like that's the path I'll be taking. I'll keep trying to freeze and tap the side of the drive, but knowing that it hasn't kicked in by now I won't be getting my hopes up.

    In that case, are there any recommendations for a good external drive? I was probably just going to get another 500 or 750gb Western Digital since this previous one worked flawlessly until it was dropped (and it was relatively inexpensive), but if I can get a better bang for my buck I might as well go for it.

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  • rfaliasrfalias Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    pacbowl wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    You can't break it more than it already is. If it won't recognize it at all what else could go wrong? The only thing worse would be throwing it down a flight of stairs.

    I suppose more shock could dislodge the R/W heads even more and if they are already on the fritz could scratch the platters. It could be worse.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    rfalias wrote: »
    pacbowl wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    You can't break it more than it already is. If it won't recognize it at all what else could go wrong? The only thing worse would be throwing it down a flight of stairs.

    I suppose more shock could dislodge the R/W heads even more and if they are already on the fritz could scratch the platters. It could be worse.

    Considering your average user can't/won't pay for data recovery, and lightly tapping the side does temporarily fix a clicking issue, no it can't get worse.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    Counterpoint: It worked for a broken Maxtor drive that I had.

    I managed to get everything off it that I didn't have backed up before it died again.

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  • Nakatomi2010Nakatomi2010 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    You could ship the drive into Seagate, they'll look at the drive for free and tell you how much to recover... Ship it in through firedog and get 20% off...

    http://firedog.com/datarecovery/


    Just a thought...

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    pacbowl wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    You can't break it more than it already is. If it won't recognize it at all what else could go wrong? The only thing worse would be throwing it down a flight of stairs.

    You really need to learn what you're talking about before you post in H/A. If a read head is banging against a platter or resting actually against one, banging it with a hammer is going to bounce that arm across the platter, scraping it and destroying an unknown number of files as a result. Remember that files are not stored in sequential bit order on a hard drive, so if you wreck even just 1000 bits, you could have corrupted anywhere between 1 and 1000 files and a lot of file formats are really unforgiving about this sort of thing.

    It COULD fix it, but the freezer trick is a lot safer. In all honesty, if there's anything of value on there I would not re-connect it to a PC at all and research what it's gonna cost to have it torn apart and re-built. If damage to the platters is minimal or non-existent (which would be VERY lucky) it's possible that the drive just needs to be re-built. This is still quite expensive (I'd personally believe that $400 number might be a little low but it sounds possible), but far less than having someone try to recover files from a damaged platter.

    Then again, if this is a pure backup drive and you have other copies of every piece of data on there, well whatever. You're not going to be able to permanently fix the drive yourself, at all. You will need to send it in for repair.

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Who the hell pays for some asshole to recover data for 400 bucks? There's software that's cost a tenth of that that will do it. Hell, I've used it on a drive that was clicking. I think it was called GetDataBack.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Freezer trick won't fix a clicking hard drive, and your average user isn't going to pay the cost of recovery.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    @justinsane: yeah, but you probably also had a drive that wasn't too broken to even be recognized by the OS.

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Pheezer wrote: »
    @justinsane: yeah, but you probably also had a drive that wasn't too broken to even be recognized by the OS.

    Yes, I did actually. It wasn't read by XP and by having it plugged in, it even slowed the machine to a crawl (tested it on 2 machines too, did the same thing on both of them). Using the software in XP's safe mode, it was able to read the drive that Windows XP couldn't find and allow me to get the data off it.

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  • Nakatomi2010Nakatomi2010 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Who the hell pays for some asshole to recover data for 400 bucks? There's software that's cost a tenth of that that will do it. Hell, I've used it on a drive that was clicking. I think it was called GetDataBack.

    If the drive is not being recognized by windows then GetDataBack wont work...

    The reasons data recovery through Seagate is so expensive is because they actually dismantle the drive and physically repair it in a clean room to try and get your data off, as opposed to GetDataBack which is more designed for "Oops I accidentally formatted my hard drive", or "Hey, my partition is destroyed, the drive is failing diagnostics, but is still being recognized by the computer."

    Seagate data recovery services are for when the drive does not get recognized by the computer in any way...

    During the production of Star Trek Insurrection there was a fire or something that caused the drives storing the special effects for the movie to nearly get destroyed, PAramount had the drive professionally recovered by a data recovery company (We're talking drives that were BURNT here) and they were able to recovery something like 75-90% of the data....

    Lemme see if I can get the story on that..

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hence why the average user will never use a data recovery service. It's more for corporations.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Pheezer wrote: »
    pacbowl wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Sometimes with a clicking drive you can tap the sides with a hammer to get it started so you can begin copying files off of it.

    Uh, this is very bad advice. Your more likely to do more damage to fix it then help it.

    Essentially the drive would have to be taken to a data specialist and they charge crazy prices. Unless the info is really critical, I would forget about data recovery at this point.

    You can't break it more than it already is. If it won't recognize it at all what else could go wrong? The only thing worse would be throwing it down a flight of stairs.
    If a read head is banging against a platter or resting actually against one, banging it with a hammer is going to bounce that arm across the platter, scraping it and destroying an unknown number of files as a result.

    Sure banging it will, but tapping it won't. And the computer should obviously be off when doing it but giving it a few light raps could unstick something. There are multiple tech threads on other boards where tapping is suggested and has been known to work.

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  • blakfeldblakfeld Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Slightly off topic, but I think it may help both myself and the OP... What exactly is the freezing method?

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  • mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    So after spending the last day or so trying both freezing and tapping the side, the drive still clicks and isn't recognized. In lieu of recent events, I've realized that my back-up methods probably aren't the best, and am going to get both a back-up external HD and another internal HD to mirror my current one. Anyways, thanks for all of the help guys.

    @blakfeld: (This is the method that I read about) You basically put your HD in a freezer bag (to prevent condensation) and put it in a freezer for 2~24hours in hopes of condensing the metal to put your broken part back in place.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Well not "condensing" the metal. By cooling the metal all of the parts should contract, and ideally whatever was out of alignment pops back into place and stays there when it comes back to room temp.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    One thing are you tapping the side of the drive when it first boots up, and there for first starts clicking?

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  • mechaThormechaThor Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    One thing are you tapping the side of the drive when it first boots up, and there for first starts clicking?

    Yeah, is that the right way to do it?

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    yes

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