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Starting the last 2 years of life over. Going to OSU, Change of Major.

EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
As you all know I work at a grocery store and go to a community college with quite, no very bad transcript that is not worthy of wiping my ass with (2.7 GPA). For the most part I only wasted time but to me that time was much more precious than the 4-6k I spent on community college pursuing a degree in History. Why History well I like history and I had always achieved fairly good grades in it; however, I never thought about what one could do with a history degree. Everyone says teach and for a while I thought it would be cool to teach high school but you really need a degree in Education. I also find out on top of this that getting a teaching job is quite hard to do even though they need teachers so bad and the pay is not so great.

My biggest mistake was vague goals that I had no idea how to achieve. I just started going to classes and thought the stuff I wanted would just open up to me instead I just ruined any chances of that. One thing I really want to do in my life is live in a Japan for a bit. I thought once I made it to UF, which I can't get into because of my grades, that I could just sign up for JET and be off. Well through a few UF students that have done overseas type things I find out that Japan is very selective. I might have a chance at Korea. The other mistake I made as far as my grades go is lack of communication. I didn't understand how the Withdraw or Grade replacement works at all, and prep classes which is 90% of what fucked me over. This still pisses me off to no extent. I had to take a fuck ton of prep classes which were quite worthless. These classes count for ZERO GPA; however, when you withdraw or take an F in one it still messes your transcript up just as much as a normal college level class. I was also stupid enough to just take F's in these prep classes because of grade replacement. The F still stays on your transcript.


We have talked about this before and everyone said it would be a bad idea to throw away 2 years of college but changing my major from History to Computer Science. That is a complete turn around about an entire year of college is going to get tossed so why keep the shitty grades on there?

I have learned from my mistakes in my previous college experience and I think I am ready to give my dreams a shot this time. As scary as it is for me to leave my hometown and move to Ohio I am ready to do it. I am ready to drop my job and spend a ton of money to live my dream instead of settle for what everyone else is doing in this town.

It is just that in my case I can't go about getting into OSU the normal ways. I can't transfer my credits and I can't start community college over again in this state as they already have my records. I do know if I go to another Community college in another state I can start fresh. OR should I try to transfer to OSU with my High school transcript which I am pretty sure is 3.3? I have been googling this stuff but have not really found anything.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    um... are you under the impression that college administration view a 2.5 as a bad GPA? Almost any state school will admit you with a 2.0

    Not transfering your credits because of that is fucking stupid, especially since your first semester at OSU will replace your transfer GPA.

    You need to rethink a lot of your assumptions, because they are wrong.

    Edit: If you are significantly worried, don't submit your CC transcripts, get in on your High School ones, and then submit your transfer credits later.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
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    Sentry wrote: »
    um... are you under the impression that college administration view a 2.5 as a bad GPA? Almost any state school will admit you with a 2.0

    Not transfering your credits because of that is fucking stupid, especially since your first semester at OSU will replace your transfer GPA.

    You need to rethink a lot of your assumptions, because they are wrong.

    Edit: If you are significantly worried, don't submit your CC transcripts, get in on your High School ones, and then submit your transfer credits later.

    Uhh... University of Florida sure the hell wont take me even though the standards do say 2.0 GPA and 3.0gpa within your major. Which I do have. They sure the hell will not take anyone under a 3.5 for the most part.

    Also, it is not the GPA that worries me. Let me count the F's I have..

    I have 3 F's in math. Prep..

    1 in English prep and 1 in ENC1102

    1 D in some crazy prep class I have no idea what was about.

    I spoke to an advisor and he said I was fucked and that I should start looking at other school. Such as the lesser ones in the state.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    wait, three F's in Math prep? gah... nevermind then. If you're failing the prep stuff, then yes, don't submit that transcript.

    But, once you get in, you can submit it and transfer over your courses. It's still worth it.

    Edit: And stop failing prep courses.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    wait, three F's in Math prep? gah... nevermind then. If you're failing the prep stuff, then yes, don't submit that transcript.

    But, once you get in, you can submit it and transfer over your courses. It's still worth it.

    Edit: And stop failing prep courses.

    I am confused on how they let you get in THEN transfer credits because you are applying as a freshmen then become a JR from credit transfer...

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    noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Why computer science? It's a really different major from your current one.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    wait, three F's in Math prep? gah... nevermind then. If you're failing the prep stuff, then yes, don't submit that transcript.

    But, once you get in, you can submit it and transfer over your courses. It's still worth it.

    Edit: And stop failing prep courses.

    I am confused on how they let you get in THEN transfer credits because you are applying as a freshmen then become a JR from credit transfer...
    You're not applying as a freshman, you're applying as a transfer student. You retain your grades but not your GPA for those grades, you don't have a GPA at the new school until you complete your first semester.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    wait, three F's in Math prep? gah... nevermind then. If you're failing the prep stuff, then yes, don't submit that transcript.

    But, once you get in, you can submit it and transfer over your courses. It's still worth it.

    Edit: And stop failing prep courses.

    I am confused on how they let you get in THEN transfer credits because you are applying as a freshmen then become a JR from credit transfer...

    You can transfer in credits at any time. The reason you should do it early is so you don't take redundant classes. I mean, how do you think duel enrollment works? At any point you can transfer in credits you've earned at another institution.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Why computer science? It's a really different major from your current one.


    I know.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    But do I have a better chance at getting in with a 3.3 from high school or a crappy transcript from college?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    I already have half of the app completed to transfer to OSU. If I get rejected as transfer can I apply as freshmen?

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    MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I already have half of the app completed to transfer to OSU. If I get rejected as transfer can I apply as freshmen?

    Yes.

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    HalberdBlueHalberdBlue Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    As a current student at the OSU *, one who has tranfered four times, and one with an even worse gpa (lets just say my last school was glad to see me go, as was OSU when I left, back in 2005). Let me be the first to welcome you to The Ohio State University. You can save bocu dollores by taking classes at Columbus State (many are online - woot!) and they transfter back to OSU 1:1.

    Don't be so hard on yourself, the only person who really cares about your GPA is you. (and your parents, maybe)

    *(actually I'm taking online german courses at University of Wisconsin, which will transfer back to OSU, completing my degree in a record 8ish years)

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

    This is an excellent point, I changed majors upward of 10 times, do not make the same mistake. Take the time and try a few courses in a variety of programs. You might be the worlds next great oceanographer. Plus those classes always come in handy someday.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

    Yes considering I know quite a few people in CS. What sucks is one of the guys I know took CS before they added all the math courses to the major. He was saying the highest math you need is algebra/Logic and be able to read a book and apply it.

    One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.

    The F's were from lack of effort not from lack of understanding.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    As a current student at the OSU *, one who has tranfered four times, and one with an even worse gpa (lets just say my last school was glad to see me go, as was OSU when I left, back in 2005). Let me be the first to welcome you to The Ohio State University. You can save bocu dollores by taking classes at Columbus State (many are online - woot!) and they transfter back to OSU 1:1.

    Don't be so hard on yourself, the only person who really cares about your GPA is you. (and your parents, maybe)

    *(actually I'm taking online german courses at University of Wisconsin, which will transfer back to OSU, completing my degree in a record 8ish years)

    What about getting in state then transfer to OSU by going to

    http://www.cscc.edu/

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

    Yes considering I know quite a few people in CS. What sucks is one of the guys I know took CS before they added all the math courses to the major. He was saying the highest math you need is algebra/Logic and be able to read a book and apply it.

    One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.

    I don't think that the question is whether you can handle a career in CS, the question is can you handle a degree. Another question is will they want you. Some majors are rather more selective than others. It is often worthwhile to apply into an easy school (say...Arts and Sciences) take a few classes, then transfer into the more competitve major once you've got some grades to back yourself up.

    *note, all CS majors at OSU require a hefty dose of calculus

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    BedlamBedlam Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I would say it might be better to take a year off instead of just launching into something new. Make sure this is really what you want to do before accrueing more debt.

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    As a current student at the OSU *, one who has tranfered four times, and one with an even worse gpa (lets just say my last school was glad to see me go, as was OSU when I left, back in 2005). Let me be the first to welcome you to The Ohio State University. You can save bocu dollores by taking classes at Columbus State (many are online - woot!) and they transfter back to OSU 1:1.

    Don't be so hard on yourself, the only person who really cares about your GPA is you. (and your parents, maybe)

    *(actually I'm taking online german courses at University of Wisconsin, which will transfer back to OSU, completing my degree in a record 8ish years)

    What about getting in state then transfer to OSU by going to

    http://www.cscc.edu/

    Transfering from Columbus State was a very popular approach in the crew I ran with up there. Especially those with less than desirable GPA's in their past, or with smaller pocketbooks..

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    See thats the thing that pissed me off. I went to community college here was told as long as I have a 2.5 and 3.0gpa within my major I would get in to UF. Well right before I was done with my AA they became a very selective school and cut transfer rate in half. Only people with almost perfect transcripts are getting in.

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    Gilbert0Gilbert0 North of SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.


    One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.

    Being good with computers != Computer Science. I took 2 400 level classes and we didn't even use a computer. It's all math and theory for some stuff. On the other hand, some stuff is ALL labs and tutorials.

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    See thats the thing that pissed me off. I went to community college here was told as long as I have a 2.5 and 3.0gpa within my major I would get in to UF. Well right before I was done with my AA they became a very selective school and cut transfer rate in half. Only people with almost perfect transcripts are getting in.

    That is a risk, but OSU and Cstate have a verrrry close relationship. I wouldn't worry too much about getting cut. Also, since you get a fresh start on your GPA, you could just keep your grades up and make it a sure thing!

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Bedlam wrote: »
    I would say it might be better to take a year off instead of just launching into something new. Make sure this is really what you want to do before accrueing more debt.

    I am not going to school for the spring.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    That is a risk, but OSU and Cstate have a verrrry close relationship.

    So did UF and SFCC. Then they cut them out told all the transfer students that they never had a relationship and made SFCC a 4 year college lol. Sucks for us.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
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    EliteLamer wrote: »
    See thats the thing that pissed me off. I went to community college here was told as long as I have a 2.5 and 3.0gpa within my major I would get in to UF. Well right before I was done with my AA they became a very selective school and cut transfer rate in half. Only people with almost perfect transcripts are getting in.

    Yeah actually you're going to run into this a lot if you end up looking at more schools than just OSU. With the economy, schools with lower tuition rates get a lot more selective and cut enrollment, since it's not helping them pay the bills (for many it actually costs money to take a student, they make it up through research, patents, endowments, etc.). I don't know what OSU charges per semester, but in general, places that charge students more for tuition will be more likely to accept you.

    Plus you have those people who didn't make their first choice because of tougher enrollment criteria going to their next choices, and it's become harder to get accepted everywhere.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Well there is a Personal statement. Not really sure what to put or how much it helps..

    We invite you to submit an optional personal statement if you feel that you have special talents, interests, or abilities not otherwise reflected on your application; and/or if you feel that your high school or college academic performance was adversely affected by special circumstances. Additionally, please take this opportunity to explain why you will be academically successful at Ohio State. Importantly, if your academic record includes interruptions in your education, please describe work experiences or other activities in which you may have participated while not enrolled in school.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    I don't know what OSU charges per semester, but in general, places that charge students more for tuition will be more likely to accept you.

    I think OSU is one of the highest in the US.

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    thisisntwallythisisntwally Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I don't know what OSU charges per semester, but in general, places that charge students more for tuition will be more likely to accept you.

    I think OSU is one of the highest in the US.

    Among the larger schools in Ohio, OSU is on the cheaper end. Also it is FREAKING HUGE. I'm cereal. Their freshman class is the size of many lessor institutions. I really don't think you'll have any problems transfering in.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I don't know what OSU charges per semester, but in general, places that charge students more for tuition will be more likely to accept you.

    I think OSU is one of the highest in the US.

    Among the larger schools in Ohio, OSU is on the cheaper end. Also it is FREAKING HUGE. I'm cereal. Their freshman class is the size of many lessor institutions. I really don't think you'll have any problems transfering in.


    UF is cheaper than OSU I think.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    You're an out-of-state student, you're fucked financially no matter what.

    Regardless... I transfered into OSU with less then a 2.5 GPA, no problems. But hey, they might have gotten a little more selective since then. It was about 8 years ago. If you are really concerned, apply with your high school transcript. Then transfer your credits after you are accepted. You might be taking a few redundant courses, but considering your math grades, maybe not as many as you think.

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    VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    You're an out-of-state student, you're fucked financially no matter what.

    Regardless... I transfered into OSU with less then a 2.5 GPA, no problems. But hey, they might have gotten a little more selective since then. It was about 8 years ago. If you are really concerned, apply with your high school transcript. Then transfer your credits after you are accepted. You might be taking a few redundant courses, but considering your math grades, maybe not as many as you think.

    Ohio State is rather inexpensive among public univeristies considering its heavy-weight status. It cost me less to go to OSU out-of-state than Penn State in-state... Although it helps when you get an out-of-state scholarship (for a high SAT score) to offset the cost, and that PSU is the most expensive public school in the nation.

    Also, the CSCC route is helluva good idea. I could (should) have taken my basic freshman classes there to save a bunch of monies and hits to my GPA.

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    ElinElin Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    This was 10 years ago so this may not be representative of current standards BUT I was accepted into OSU's schol of engineering right out of HS. I failed math in HS, it took me 3 tried to pass geometry. The fact that I am female and was applying to a predominantly male profession may have helped, I just assumed they needed diversity numbers.

    I didn't go due to some financial issues (thank god, I HATE physics), but I did go to orientation and yes, it's HUGE. The campus is it's own freaking city. I was COMPLETELY overwhelmed.

    As for transferring, I'm reading this thread so I know for the future. 11 years later I'm going back to school shooting for a Biology degree (I still need physics, god WHY) and I hope to transfer from my CC to Colorado State University when the time comes. Biology is a competitive major there so I'm looking at my 3.0 from my first semester back in school and hoping I can get it up to a 3.5 or 3.75 by transfer time.

    My advice, call the school. Talk to the admissions department and ask if CS is a competitive major. Ask what the preferred GPA for that major would be. I know that CSU has a program that, if you don't qualify for your preferred major, they'll still accept you as an undeclared student to give you a chance to take classes there and boost your GPA. Find out is OSU has something like that.

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    NargorothRiPNargorothRiP Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    You do realize that although your credits will count toward your total credits for your bachelors, it will not count for your GPA? Stay with your current degree if you enjoy it and transfer. I have a history degree in east asian policy, and work in the federal government contracting world as a IT security professional. go figure.

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    CruixCruix Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EL, I'm an SFCC student who was also rejected from UF because of their transfer cuts (and I had a 3.8GPA), so I know where you're coming from. Why are you determined to go out of state, though? Have you looked around Florida at all? You could still apply to UCF and FSU along with a ton of other places.

    And if you do have decent high school grades and don't mind repeating classes, yeah, it may look better and be better for you overall to not transfer those CC credits, start fresh and don't let those crappy grades weigh you down.

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    HalberdBlueHalberdBlue Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

    Yes considering I know quite a few people in CS. What sucks is one of the guys I know took CS before they added all the math courses to the major. He was saying the highest math you need is algebra/Logic and be able to read a book and apply it.

    One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.

    The F's were from lack of effort not from lack of understanding.

    I'm not talking about math courses specifically. CS courses, beyond introductory language courses, <i>are</i> math. The field of computer science actually existed before computers did. It was called discrete math then. Discrete math still exists, of course, but a lot of discrete math isn't applicable to computers anymore so it's considered a separate (but closely related) field.

    I'm just stressing this because I've met way too many CS majors who only became CS majors because they like computers. Liking computers has very little to do with liking CS (about as much as liking telescopes has to do with liking astronomy, really). For example, I find computers themselves to be dull and uninteresting. I try to minimize my time on them. However, I find computer science itself to be very interesting. So, while I am not a CS major, I spend a lot of time reading up on recent CS research.

    My apologies if you aren't going into CS for the wrong reasons, but it's just so common that people do it that anytime a thread like this comes up I have to say it.

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    SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    If you have 3 F's in math, do you think you can handle computer science? Computer science is pretty much all math.

    Yes considering I know quite a few people in CS. What sucks is one of the guys I know took CS before they added all the math courses to the major. He was saying the highest math you need is algebra/Logic and be able to read a book and apply it.

    One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.

    The F's were from lack of effort not from lack of understanding.

    I had to take 4 semesters of calculus to get a CS degree from a state university. They were talking about making it only 2 semesters of calc when I left, but still. If you failed prep math 3 times you are nowhere near where you need to be to get through Calc I. I was a pretty good math student in high school but I still struggled with college level Calc. Regardless of what you go in to, you are probably going to have to work your ass off. If your main problem so far has been not putting in effort, I would say start slow and make sure you have the desire to put in the work.

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    DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm just stressing this because I've met way too many CS majors who only became CS majors because they like computers. Liking computers has very little to do with liking CS

    I was one of these guys when I started college - I thought I would love CS because I liked computers, and played around with QBasic and HTML. I then proceeded to get a kick in the head from even just the intro CS courses, and the fact that (at my school at least) the CS degree included what was basically a full minor in math. You need to carefully determine the real reason you failed those prep courses - Regardless of what the guy you know had to do back whenever, from what I can tell on OSU's website, all 3 of the CS degree tracks currently require 4-6 math courses along with 1 or more statistics courses.

    HalberdBlue is also spot on that a big part of the degree isn't going to directly involve working on a computer at all - think hard about whether you're going to enjoy that.

    Personally, I ended up switching over to IT after I almost bombed out my first year, and it made a gigantic difference, graduated happy, currently gainfully employed.

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    ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Also, and I don't know if this applies between Florida and Ohio...when you transfer each state wants different "core"(don't even know if they're called the same thing outside of TX) classes anyway.

    I started community college in Hawai'i for my first year an a half because my step-dad was stationed there. There I didn't have to take US history, I could take World Histories instead. Those interested me more, so I took them.

    Year and a half later, move to Missouri when step dad retires. No where has the major I was pursuing(it was a digital media/animation type degree thing). So I just focus on getting core classes done at community college. There you had to have US history 1 and 2, and 2 humanities courses. For humanities you could choose political science 1 and 2, or psychology and sociology. I chose Psych and Soci because I liked them.

    Fast forward a couple of years(I took a year off to get my esthetics license) I got married and moved to Texas. Here I had to take political science 1 and 2, didn't have to take world history, psych or sociology.

    Blah blah blah etc. I have a 3.8 GPA, and I've been in college since I was 18 (about to turn 26) and I still haven't graduated due to various things I won't go into. I lost about 2 years worth of credits just from moving from state to state and them being bitchy about what they would and would not accept. I think the college system here should do something about that, but whatever I'll graduate soon and won't care anymore.

    I guess what I'm saying, in a round about way, is that you might lose a bunch of credits when you transfer anyway by transferring out of state. They may count as electives(some of mine did). Two years time is annoying to lose, but it's not that bad. If you enjoyed the classes, just think of it that way and move on if you would really rather do computer science.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    bah... why does everyone think electives don't count? Electives are just as important as core classes when it comes to earning a degree.

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    ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    They are, but you don't need 2 years worth of electives. And, sometimes, it's disappointing when you wanted to take a class but you're like "Well, I don't NEED it anymore all my electives are filled and I'm spending blah blah blah money already..."

    *shrugs* I opted to take electives anyway, even though all mine were taken up with World History and various other things I didn't really find very interesting.

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