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Starting the last 2 years of life over. Going to OSU, Change of Major.
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As you all know I work at a grocery store and go to a community college with quite, no very bad transcript that is not worthy of wiping my ass with (2.7 GPA). For the most part I only wasted time but to me that time was much more precious than the 4-6k I spent on community college pursuing a degree in History. Why History well I like history and I had always achieved fairly good grades in it; however, I never thought about what one could do with a history degree. Everyone says teach and for a while I thought it would be cool to teach high school but you really need a degree in Education. I also find out on top of this that getting a teaching job is quite hard to do even though they need teachers so bad and the pay is not so great.
My biggest mistake was vague goals that I had no idea how to achieve. I just started going to classes and thought the stuff I wanted would just open up to me instead I just ruined any chances of that. One thing I really want to do in my life is live in a Japan for a bit. I thought once I made it to UF, which I can't get into because of my grades, that I could just sign up for JET and be off. Well through a few UF students that have done overseas type things I find out that Japan is very selective. I might have a chance at Korea. The other mistake I made as far as my grades go is lack of communication. I didn't understand how the Withdraw or Grade replacement works at all, and prep classes which is 90% of what fucked me over. This still pisses me off to no extent. I had to take a fuck ton of prep classes which were quite worthless. These classes count for ZERO GPA; however, when you withdraw or take an F in one it still messes your transcript up just as much as a normal college level class. I was also stupid enough to just take F's in these prep classes because of grade replacement. The F still stays on your transcript.
We have talked about this before and everyone said it would be a bad idea to throw away 2 years of college but changing my major from History to Computer Science. That is a complete turn around about an entire year of college is going to get tossed so why keep the shitty grades on there?
I have learned from my mistakes in my previous college experience and I think I am ready to give my dreams a shot this time. As scary as it is for me to leave my hometown and move to Ohio I am ready to do it. I am ready to drop my job and spend a ton of money to live my dream instead of settle for what everyone else is doing in this town.
It is just that in my case I can't go about getting into OSU the normal ways. I can't transfer my credits and I can't start community college over again in this state as they already have my records. I do know if I go to another Community college in another state I can start fresh. OR should I try to transfer to OSU with my High school transcript which I am pretty sure is 3.3? I have been googling this stuff but have not really found anything.
My biggest mistake was vague goals that I had no idea how to achieve. I just started going to classes and thought the stuff I wanted would just open up to me instead I just ruined any chances of that. One thing I really want to do in my life is live in a Japan for a bit. I thought once I made it to UF, which I can't get into because of my grades, that I could just sign up for JET and be off. Well through a few UF students that have done overseas type things I find out that Japan is very selective. I might have a chance at Korea. The other mistake I made as far as my grades go is lack of communication. I didn't understand how the Withdraw or Grade replacement works at all, and prep classes which is 90% of what fucked me over. This still pisses me off to no extent. I had to take a fuck ton of prep classes which were quite worthless. These classes count for ZERO GPA; however, when you withdraw or take an F in one it still messes your transcript up just as much as a normal college level class. I was also stupid enough to just take F's in these prep classes because of grade replacement. The F still stays on your transcript.
We have talked about this before and everyone said it would be a bad idea to throw away 2 years of college but changing my major from History to Computer Science. That is a complete turn around about an entire year of college is going to get tossed so why keep the shitty grades on there?
I have learned from my mistakes in my previous college experience and I think I am ready to give my dreams a shot this time. As scary as it is for me to leave my hometown and move to Ohio I am ready to do it. I am ready to drop my job and spend a ton of money to live my dream instead of settle for what everyone else is doing in this town.
It is just that in my case I can't go about getting into OSU the normal ways. I can't transfer my credits and I can't start community college over again in this state as they already have my records. I do know if I go to another Community college in another state I can start fresh. OR should I try to transfer to OSU with my High school transcript which I am pretty sure is 3.3? I have been googling this stuff but have not really found anything.
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Not transfering your credits because of that is fucking stupid, especially since your first semester at OSU will replace your transfer GPA.
You need to rethink a lot of your assumptions, because they are wrong.
Edit: If you are significantly worried, don't submit your CC transcripts, get in on your High School ones, and then submit your transfer credits later.
Uhh... University of Florida sure the hell wont take me even though the standards do say 2.0 GPA and 3.0gpa within your major. Which I do have. They sure the hell will not take anyone under a 3.5 for the most part.
Also, it is not the GPA that worries me. Let me count the F's I have..
I have 3 F's in math. Prep..
1 in English prep and 1 in ENC1102
1 D in some crazy prep class I have no idea what was about.
I spoke to an advisor and he said I was fucked and that I should start looking at other school. Such as the lesser ones in the state.
But, once you get in, you can submit it and transfer over your courses. It's still worth it.
Edit: And stop failing prep courses.
I am confused on how they let you get in THEN transfer credits because you are applying as a freshmen then become a JR from credit transfer...
You can transfer in credits at any time. The reason you should do it early is so you don't take redundant classes. I mean, how do you think duel enrollment works? At any point you can transfer in credits you've earned at another institution.
I know.
Yes.
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Don't be so hard on yourself, the only person who really cares about your GPA is you. (and your parents, maybe)
*(actually I'm taking online german courses at University of Wisconsin, which will transfer back to OSU, completing my degree in a record 8ish years)
This is an excellent point, I changed majors upward of 10 times, do not make the same mistake. Take the time and try a few courses in a variety of programs. You might be the worlds next great oceanographer. Plus those classes always come in handy someday.
Yes considering I know quite a few people in CS. What sucks is one of the guys I know took CS before they added all the math courses to the major. He was saying the highest math you need is algebra/Logic and be able to read a book and apply it.
One of my friends is Business/IT and he is always asking me questions about computers while he has a degree in the subject as I do not.
The F's were from lack of effort not from lack of understanding.
What about getting in state then transfer to OSU by going to
http://www.cscc.edu/
I don't think that the question is whether you can handle a career in CS, the question is can you handle a degree. Another question is will they want you. Some majors are rather more selective than others. It is often worthwhile to apply into an easy school (say...Arts and Sciences) take a few classes, then transfer into the more competitve major once you've got some grades to back yourself up.
*note, all CS majors at OSU require a hefty dose of calculus
Transfering from Columbus State was a very popular approach in the crew I ran with up there. Especially those with less than desirable GPA's in their past, or with smaller pocketbooks..
Being good with computers != Computer Science. I took 2 400 level classes and we didn't even use a computer. It's all math and theory for some stuff. On the other hand, some stuff is ALL labs and tutorials.
That is a risk, but OSU and Cstate have a verrrry close relationship. I wouldn't worry too much about getting cut. Also, since you get a fresh start on your GPA, you could just keep your grades up and make it a sure thing!
I am not going to school for the spring.
So did UF and SFCC. Then they cut them out told all the transfer students that they never had a relationship and made SFCC a 4 year college lol. Sucks for us.
Yeah actually you're going to run into this a lot if you end up looking at more schools than just OSU. With the economy, schools with lower tuition rates get a lot more selective and cut enrollment, since it's not helping them pay the bills (for many it actually costs money to take a student, they make it up through research, patents, endowments, etc.). I don't know what OSU charges per semester, but in general, places that charge students more for tuition will be more likely to accept you.
Plus you have those people who didn't make their first choice because of tougher enrollment criteria going to their next choices, and it's become harder to get accepted everywhere.
I think OSU is one of the highest in the US.
Among the larger schools in Ohio, OSU is on the cheaper end. Also it is FREAKING HUGE. I'm cereal. Their freshman class is the size of many lessor institutions. I really don't think you'll have any problems transfering in.
UF is cheaper than OSU I think.
Regardless... I transfered into OSU with less then a 2.5 GPA, no problems. But hey, they might have gotten a little more selective since then. It was about 8 years ago. If you are really concerned, apply with your high school transcript. Then transfer your credits after you are accepted. You might be taking a few redundant courses, but considering your math grades, maybe not as many as you think.
Ohio State is rather inexpensive among public univeristies considering its heavy-weight status. It cost me less to go to OSU out-of-state than Penn State in-state... Although it helps when you get an out-of-state scholarship (for a high SAT score) to offset the cost, and that PSU is the most expensive public school in the nation.
Also, the CSCC route is helluva good idea. I could (should) have taken my basic freshman classes there to save a bunch of monies and hits to my GPA.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
I didn't go due to some financial issues (thank god, I HATE physics), but I did go to orientation and yes, it's HUGE. The campus is it's own freaking city. I was COMPLETELY overwhelmed.
As for transferring, I'm reading this thread so I know for the future. 11 years later I'm going back to school shooting for a Biology degree (I still need physics, god WHY) and I hope to transfer from my CC to Colorado State University when the time comes. Biology is a competitive major there so I'm looking at my 3.0 from my first semester back in school and hoping I can get it up to a 3.5 or 3.75 by transfer time.
My advice, call the school. Talk to the admissions department and ask if CS is a competitive major. Ask what the preferred GPA for that major would be. I know that CSU has a program that, if you don't qualify for your preferred major, they'll still accept you as an undeclared student to give you a chance to take classes there and boost your GPA. Find out is OSU has something like that.
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And if you do have decent high school grades and don't mind repeating classes, yeah, it may look better and be better for you overall to not transfer those CC credits, start fresh and don't let those crappy grades weigh you down.
I'm not talking about math courses specifically. CS courses, beyond introductory language courses, <i>are</i> math. The field of computer science actually existed before computers did. It was called discrete math then. Discrete math still exists, of course, but a lot of discrete math isn't applicable to computers anymore so it's considered a separate (but closely related) field.
I'm just stressing this because I've met way too many CS majors who only became CS majors because they like computers. Liking computers has very little to do with liking CS (about as much as liking telescopes has to do with liking astronomy, really). For example, I find computers themselves to be dull and uninteresting. I try to minimize my time on them. However, I find computer science itself to be very interesting. So, while I am not a CS major, I spend a lot of time reading up on recent CS research.
My apologies if you aren't going into CS for the wrong reasons, but it's just so common that people do it that anytime a thread like this comes up I have to say it.
I had to take 4 semesters of calculus to get a CS degree from a state university. They were talking about making it only 2 semesters of calc when I left, but still. If you failed prep math 3 times you are nowhere near where you need to be to get through Calc I. I was a pretty good math student in high school but I still struggled with college level Calc. Regardless of what you go in to, you are probably going to have to work your ass off. If your main problem so far has been not putting in effort, I would say start slow and make sure you have the desire to put in the work.
I was one of these guys when I started college - I thought I would love CS because I liked computers, and played around with QBasic and HTML. I then proceeded to get a kick in the head from even just the intro CS courses, and the fact that (at my school at least) the CS degree included what was basically a full minor in math. You need to carefully determine the real reason you failed those prep courses - Regardless of what the guy you know had to do back whenever, from what I can tell on OSU's website, all 3 of the CS degree tracks currently require 4-6 math courses along with 1 or more statistics courses.
HalberdBlue is also spot on that a big part of the degree isn't going to directly involve working on a computer at all - think hard about whether you're going to enjoy that.
Personally, I ended up switching over to IT after I almost bombed out my first year, and it made a gigantic difference, graduated happy, currently gainfully employed.
I started community college in Hawai'i for my first year an a half because my step-dad was stationed there. There I didn't have to take US history, I could take World Histories instead. Those interested me more, so I took them.
Year and a half later, move to Missouri when step dad retires. No where has the major I was pursuing(it was a digital media/animation type degree thing). So I just focus on getting core classes done at community college. There you had to have US history 1 and 2, and 2 humanities courses. For humanities you could choose political science 1 and 2, or psychology and sociology. I chose Psych and Soci because I liked them.
Fast forward a couple of years(I took a year off to get my esthetics license) I got married and moved to Texas. Here I had to take political science 1 and 2, didn't have to take world history, psych or sociology.
Blah blah blah etc. I have a 3.8 GPA, and I've been in college since I was 18 (about to turn 26) and I still haven't graduated due to various things I won't go into. I lost about 2 years worth of credits just from moving from state to state and them being bitchy about what they would and would not accept. I think the college system here should do something about that, but whatever I'll graduate soon and won't care anymore.
I guess what I'm saying, in a round about way, is that you might lose a bunch of credits when you transfer anyway by transferring out of state. They may count as electives(some of mine did). Two years time is annoying to lose, but it's not that bad. If you enjoyed the classes, just think of it that way and move on if you would really rather do computer science.
*shrugs* I opted to take electives anyway, even though all mine were taken up with World History and various other things I didn't really find very interesting.