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Giuliani to launch presidency bid
FarseerBaradas
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Giuliani is setting himself up to run for president. He should have a tough time of it because he's neither a governor nor a senator.
He did gain national attention because of 9/11 however.
Because of his moderate stance he might have trouble convincing the Republican party to support him, especially since he's probalbly going to be going against McCain.
So, what do you think of his chances? Can he do it?
Giuliani is setting himself up to run for president. He should have a tough time of it because he's neither a governor nor a senator.
He did gain national attention because of 9/11 however.
Because of his moderate stance he might have trouble convincing the Republican party to support him, especially since he's probalbly going to be going against McCain.
So, what do you think of his chances? Can he do it?
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I'm going somewhere with this. Hang on.
The vast majority of Rudy's appeal since 9/11 has ben... 9/11. My memory's a tad hazy, but I don't recall him being the most popular mayor before then. He had one really good, really bad day. Ever since then I haven't heard a damn thing from him (or most anyone else) about anything else he's ever done. All it's been is "I was mayor on 9/11, so please vote for this completely unrelated Republican who's about a week away from getting his ass kicked in the voting booth." I know he's got a past that's more than shady, so it would come out eventually. And no matter how much he tried to ride 9/11, it'd come out again. And since people have mostly forgotten about that stuff, it'd hit as hard as any other blindside scandal. And when it does, he's toast.
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How do you think New York will vote on this one? On one hand, they elected the guy mayor once. On the other hand, they didn't vote Bush during his 9/11 campaign in NY back in '04 at the heights of his popularity, so I'm guess there's a lot of bad blood there. And they probably have more dirt on Guliani than most.
If Guliani doesn't win NY, and his entire campagin is, "I was mayor of NY during 9/11," than that would hurt his campaign. A lot. OTOH, if he does win NY, then that might screw over the dems in the electoral colllege.
McCain has no chance. He pissed off all of his maverick fans by trying to get closer to Bush, and he pissed off all his Bush fans by being maverick.
You're hitting on a major difficulty any Republican senator is going to have in the next election: his voting voting record in the Senate. That's going to be easy to take advantage of for comparisons to Bush. That won't necessarily hurt McCain in a primary election, but it could help Giuliani in a national election, seeing as how he won't have one.
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hes a douche and he wont get anywhere.
1. Getting the smut out of Times Square, replacing it with Disney smut.
2. Cheating on his wife, while she was having health issues. (A republican mainstay, actually)
3. Being in the right place at the right time and not making a total ass out of himself. Its horrible to describe the terrorist attacks like this but it nothing did more to help his or the Presidents political careers.
The guy is nice enough, fiscally consverative socially progressive (I wonder if this will last) and famous. He has better chances than just about anyone else at this point, on both sides of the coin.
id be surprised if anyone outside of new york really gave a damn though.
I think he'd have a hard time in the primaries, but he'd also do well on the national stage. People may not sit up and jump anymore when you yell out "9/11!", but the attacks are proof that Giuliani can handle himself when the shit starts flying.
If he's really pro-choice, it would piss off the Christian base. Then again, the Christian base is already fractured by the recently past election. By 2008, the GOP might not need their votes anymore; more realistically, it might be impossible to cluster the Christian vote around one party ever again. Fundamentalists might stick with the Republicans, but more progressive Christians and Catholics seem to be trending back toward the Democrats as social justice issues return to prominence.
He'd get slaugtered in a national election. many northeasterners look at him as something of a traitor and opportunist and social conservatives will hate him becasue he's pretty socially liberal
That piece of inhuman shit is dead to me.
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Which, you know, he kind of is.
Also, he has a lot of personal problems, which might not be a huge deal in NYC, but are definitely a huge deal in flyover country.
The divorce thing isn't a big deal (Newt Gingrich), but, yeah, they won't take kindly to his history of not breaking gay people's kneecaps.
He's just a scumsucker, though. I normally don't judge candidates on their personal ethics, and instead focus on their legislative abilities, but Rudy's the definition of "oppurtunist" and "douchebag."
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Or am I thinking of someone else?
That one happened on Bloomy's watch
And the Big Boss's trip through the peons' cubicles was scheduled like a month in advance. If you can't put away the Solitare for an hour when you know that your boss's boss's boss's boss will be around, then you're too stupid to work anything other than cum-scrubber anyway.
I don't have a problem with Rudy, really. Seems like a good chap, for the most part. But so does John McCain, and I think ultimately McCain's got more neo-con cred than Rudy does.
I might be wrong, though.
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Apparently not since last week.
Good job on that, by the way.
Fuckin' neo-cons.
Hopefully this means McCain will stop his "appealing to the far right" bullshit and go back to being the center-right bipartisan awesome dude I love.
What did he do recently?
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Agreed, completely. The way he bent over on the torture resolutions nauseated me.
Rudy's not much better in that regard, either; he already sold out the fucking city to make nice with the base during the 2004 RNC, so I don't put anything past him.
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Wasn't he up to his ears in Abscam? Keating Five and all that? Anyways, he never really follows through with anything - just looks for an opportunity to get on camera, then talks big, and then quietly folds.
What kind of man endorses George Bush after Bush's campaign went after him for adopting an Asian baby ("A black baby born out of wedlock")? McCain really is an unprincipled shitheel.
that was pataki too. i think that cuntbag thinks he's got a shot at federal office too.
I can't believe republicans are actually bringing up Newt Gingrich as one of their picks. I mean, Newt Gingrich? Does the contract with America ring any bells? The public was pretty clear this past midterm that congress fucked up. The same congress that Newt himself led to victory. Right.
OTOH, the Democratic primaries will be SAD. Because the party has basically been powerless right up until now, and have only a year to change the course of this country.
Oh yeah, but it was Rudy who said, in front of millions of viewers, "My first thought when I heard the news that we were under attack was 'Thank God George Bush is our president.'"
Fuck you, Rudy.
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Yeah pretty much.
As long as they focus on cleaning up the messes that have occured over the past six years, I'm tempted to think that Americans will give them a little latitude. The only people demanding an immediate precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is the left fringe, and I think most left and moderate voters will be cool with a clearly articulated phased withdrawal.
I could be wrong, since Americans are fickle and impatient, but it seems to me that the Dems big mandate this cycle is "christ, start to clean up this mess". If they can make improvement (or force Bush to veto improvements), I think we'll be strong.