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Hard drive problems

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edited November 2006 in Help / Advice Forum
So I had a little problem with my hard drive last week (I think it got bumped around while I was moving house), but I plugged it all back in and it seemed to sort itself out. Yesterday however, I was playing X3 and it became really unresponsive, sticking on menus and taking an age to load. It ended up crashing with a hard reset, and checkdisk ran on the next start up (and froze). After a few more startups checkdisk finished, and it found some problems with the C partition which it seemed to fix, but the speed of the computer is still really slow. X3 still sticks badly, and the load times of Dark Messiah have jumped to literally five to ten minutes. The hard drive makes sad clunking noises sometimes, but it's been doing that for a long time, they've just become more frequent.

I'm defragging right now, which might help, but does anyone have any other ideas? I'd really rather not replace the whole drive, it's got loads of shit I need on it.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    One could argue that, if the drive has loads of shit you need on it, replacing it might be exactly what you should be doing if the sad clunking noises are increasing in frequency.

    What are you using to defrag and how badly did it say the drive was fragmented?

    Is this the same drive that holds your swap file? Operating system?

    How much free space?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    I'm using windows defrag, I think it was about 33% fragmented. My hard drive is in two partitions, windows on C, everything else on D. I'm assuming the swap file is therefore in C, but all these games are on the D partition. I also have a tiny, tiny second hard drive which is used for nothing. I can't even remember why it's there.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Oh, and I have 16 gig spare of around 100 on the D partition, and 3 gig from 10 on the C partition.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Correct, unless you moved it, the swap will be on the OS drive.

    Free space is good, but 33% fragmentation is pretty bad, especially 33% according to Windows defrag, which is inexplicably terrible. I would recommend something like Diskeeper. You could see a sharp performance increase clearing up heavy fragmentation like that, especially if it includes system files and the swap file. It should also take a little strain off of your drive, more good news if those noises are an indication of decrepitutde.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    It's still defragging! Leaving it on while I go out, hopefully it will help things. Dark Messiah and my X3 save folder both came up as most fragmented drives, so I hope it sorts it out.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I'd be afraid to defrag something in that condition. If I were you I'd be at the store buying a new HD to back everything up before it dies completely.

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  • EverywhereasignEverywhereasign Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Having gone through a data loss in the neighbourhood of 100 gigs last year. Back up that shit now. Drives aren't that expensive these days, and if the thing goes totally dead on you you're going to wish you'd done it.

    It sounds like the drive is on it's way out anyway, if you have everything backed up you can continue to use it and see what happens without fear of losing everything.

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  • DrFrylockDrFrylock Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    saltiness wrote:
    I'd be afraid to defrag something in that condition. If I were you I'd be at the store buying a new HD to back everything up before it dies completely.

    If a hard drive is becoming corrupted or making "funny noises" you've very, very likely got a limited amount of time to get the data off before it dies. In a sense, you're lucky - some kinds of failures are sudden and catastropic, with no warning.

    Vigorously exercising the drive via a defrag is like telling a guy with a heart condition to hit the treadmill.

    If you can keep the drive running, you can put another one in next to it and do an image copy. This will preserve all your data, programs, everything. Of course, if the data is corrupt, that corruption is going to migrate to the new drive. It's a tough call, but at least you won't have the bad drive further messing stuff up.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    There are funny noises, and there are funny noises. One of my drives has made strange click-bleep-thunk noises for years. Hasn't corrupted anything, and will likely just peter out and die like any normal hard drive.

    Other drives work for years silently, then make terrible noises once and corrupt 30% of the drive before you can bring them back from the dead and start recovery.

    Noise indicates atypical operation, but is not always indiciative of near or immediate failure; nor is it required precursor.

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  • Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    saltiness wrote:
    I'd be afraid to defrag something in that condition. If I were you I'd be at the store buying a new HD to back everything up before it dies completely.

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  • Xenocide GeekXenocide Geek Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    You can get a new, small HDD for a ridiculously low price nowadays, if you can find one around.

    It sounds like your hard drive is one step from completely dieing on you.

    If I were you? Buy a cheap HDD, set up your old HDD as a slave and backup all your shit.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    I did a defrag and it doesn't seem to have killed it. I'm going to get a new hard drive this weekend. I can't find my windows disk so it looks like I'll have to shell out for that as well. Bastards.

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  • thatnerdyguythatnerdyguy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Makershot wrote:
    saltiness wrote:
    I'd be afraid to defrag something in that condition. If I were you I'd be at the store buying a new HD to back everything up before it dies completely.

    srsly. Were I you I'd be glad it's still working at all. Sad clunking noise = bad++. Since you're getting a new one this weekend at the earliest, try to lay off using it too much until then.

    Also, if you can't find your windows disk, you might want to consider using something like Ghost (norton) or TrueImage (acronis) to copy the disk straight across and skip reinstalling everything. I had the same thing happen to me not too long ago, and trueimage copied everything and expanded the partition to fill the new, bigger hard drive with 0 problems. Windows didn't even seem to notice anything had changed. :^:

    Edit: I forgot to mention, you can get trueimage on a 15 day trial and use it for this one time copy without having to pay for it.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Sweet, are there any problems that could occur from doing this? If I install the new HD as master and slave the old one, can I copy everything across and it'll all work dandy?

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Sweet, are there any problems that could occur from doing this? If I install the new HD as master and slave the old one, can I copy everything across and it'll all work dandy?

    You can't straight copy the disk, you need to clone it to preserve the boot record and such. Poked around usenet, http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm is a freeware imaging utility that can restore an image to equal or larger partition. I've used Runtime's file recovery utilities before, and I liked them so I'll recommend it.

    Basically, you will make an image of your current HD, then restore it to the new one.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2006
    Rightio, thanks guys. I'll probably bump this thread in a few days when I fuck everything up and it explodes. Cheers!

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