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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Faffel wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Faffel wrote: »
    No, Japanese RPG's are stupid across the board.
    :lol::lol::lol:

    ...I mean, you ARE joking, right? You aren't actually this ridiculous.

    Awful battle systems, random battles, generic characters and moogles.

    How can I be joking?
    Man, you're right. 100% of JRPGs have every one of those!

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  • FalstaffFalstaff Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Really, if there is a difference between the quality of Western and Japanese game writing, it's not enough to quibble about. I think we can all agree that the "Most are bad, some are good" paradigm applies to both.

    RPGs are a mediocre way to tell stories in games anyways, and a bad way of telling stories in general. Who cares who makes the tallest midgets?

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  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Hey.

    Shut up.

    This thread is dumb.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Falstaff wrote: »
    I find that character movement in Japanese games all seems to feel similar in some basic way. It's most noticeable when executing over-the-top poses and whatnot, but there seems to be a few subtler movement archetypes that have nothing to do with mo-cap awkwardness.

    I guess it could have roots in their theater, but I really know nothing about Japanese acting tradition.


    That's fairly off topic, I guess.
    The "timid pure-hearted maiden clutches her hand to her chest" one is basically the worst thing ever and Japanese games NEED to stop doing it. Other things that suck: Repeating what was just said in the form of a question ("METAL GEAR!?")

    The "Metal Gear?!" syndrome is a side-effect of translation. In Japanese, it's normal to restate a few words of what someone just said to ask for more information of just confirm you understood. The same thing sounds ridiculous to English speakers. I don't know if some Japanese developers do this already, but when localizing games, they need to allow the translation team the freedom to remove/shorten portions of the dialogue. Otherwise we get really unnatural, cumbersome speech.

    As for the animation thing, if I understand what you're getting at, Nintendo games (except, oddly, Zelda: Twilight Princess) seem to be immune to this.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Faffel wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Faffel wrote: »
    No, Japanese RPG's are stupid across the board.
    :lol::lol::lol:

    ...I mean, you ARE joking, right? You aren't actually this ridiculous.

    Awful battle systems, random battles, generic characters and moogles.

    How can I be joking?
    Man, you're right. 100% of JRPGs have every one of those!

    I'm glad you agree with me.

    Faffel on
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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    ZackSchilling wrote: »
    The "Metal Gear?!" syndrome is a side-effect of translation. In Japanese, it's normal to restate a few words of what someone just said to ask for more information of just confirm you understood. The same thing sounds ridiculous to English speakers. I don't know if some Japanese developers do this already, but when localizing games, they need to allow the translation team the freedom to remove/shorten portions of the dialogue. Otherwise we get really unnatural, cumbersome speech.

    As for the animation thing, if I understand what you're getting at, Nintendo games (except, oddly, Zelda: Twilight Princess) seem to be immune to this.
    Star Ocean 3 did it in almost EVERY SCENE after every line :lol: it was ridiculous. ("If you go to the mine, you can destroy the monster." "I can destroy the monster if I go to the mine?" "Yes, at the mine, you will be able to destroy the monster." over and over again)

    As for the animation...hold on, I remember the Resident Evil 4 Let's Play had a great screencap of Ashley doing it. Lemme search. Eureka!

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  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Resident Evil only feels "westernized" if you are a complete shut-in with no human interaction in your life whatsoever.

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  • DagrabbitDagrabbit Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Once JRPGs were able to get more realistic character depiction and full cutscenes during the PSOne generation, I mostly stopped playing them because I hate the character design and voicework in most anime.

    Also, a lot of them still have an overabundance of teenager protagonists, which makes the games not appeal to me now that I'm older.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    This discussion could be much more productive if everyone just ignored Faffel and his trolling and went on with the topic: Good Japanese games that didn't make it here.

    Djiem on
  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    This thread should pretty much just die and be remade with a competent OP that doesn't invite this kind of shit.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Seriously thought, guys.

    Capcom is pretty cool.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Djiem wrote: »
    This discussion could be much more productive if everyone just ignored Faffel and his trolling and went on with the topic: Good Japanese games that didn't make it here.

    Policenauts.

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  • Cpt ScramblesCpt Scrambles Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Well heres my main problem with american games....

    IM SICK OF WORLD WAR 2

    And any rpg's we get are shitty medieval era games where the story is so boring that you want to kill everyone in the game.

    And the only good fighters for the 360 are

    Burst Limit
    DOA 4
    Battle Fantasia


    AND THATS IT.


    Im just saying why dont these games get released in america OR AT LEAST AS REGION FREE DISCS!!!

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I wouldn't call it trolling, because he's always been consistent on his hatred for JRPGs.

    Henroid on
  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Seriously thought, guys.

    Capcom is pretty cool.
    Capcom is dead to me until we get a new Breath of Fire.

    You hear me, Capcom!? DEAD.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    I wouldn't call it trolling, because he's always been consistent on his hatred for JRPGs.

    That was pretty good trolling, though.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ok, scratch what I said earlier, the OP is an idiot who loves japanese games because they are japanese and that makes them cooler.
    Sorry I didn't assume the worst at first.


    Still...
    Policenauts?
    What is that?

    Djiem on
  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Cpt Scrambles wrote: »
    Well heres my main problem with american games....

    IM SICK OF WORLD WAR 2

    And any rpg's we get are shitty medieval era games where the story is so boring that you want to kill everyone in the game.

    And the only good fighters for the 360 are

    Burst Limit
    DOA 4
    Battle Fantasia


    AND THATS IT.


    Im just saying why dont these games get released in america OR AT LEAST AS REGION FREE DISCS!!!

    Hey bro why don't you list some of these games that need to be released in America instead of, you know, being general and vague as hell.

    Otherwise you are a troll and need to crawl back under your bridge.

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  • DomhnallDomhnall Minty D. Vision! ScotlandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Cpt Scrambles wrote: »
    Well heres my main problem with american games....

    IM SICK OF WORLD WAR 2

    And any rpg's we get are shitty medieval era games where the story is so boring that you want to kill everyone in the game.

    And the only good fighters for the 360 are

    Burst Limit
    DOA 4
    Battle Fantasia


    AND THATS IT.


    Im just saying why dont these games get released in america OR AT LEAST AS REGION FREE DISCS!!!

    Well I guess you'd better play Fallout then. Or Half Life. Or Left 4 Dead.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    IM SICK OF WORLD WAR 2

    And any rpg's we get are shitty medieval era games where the story is so boring that you want to kill everyone in the game.

    Lol wut. How many JRPG's are based in generic fantasy lands again?

    Also fuck Fallout. Arcanum, man. That's the shiznit.

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  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Domhnall wrote: »
    Cpt Scrambles wrote: »
    Well heres my main problem with american games....

    IM SICK OF WORLD WAR 2

    And any rpg's we get are shitty medieval era games where the story is so boring that you want to kill everyone in the game.

    And the only good fighters for the 360 are

    Burst Limit
    DOA 4
    Battle Fantasia


    AND THATS IT.


    Im just saying why dont these games get released in america OR AT LEAST AS REGION FREE DISCS!!!

    Well I guess you'd better play Fallout then. Or Half Life. Or Left 4 Dead.

    BUT THOSE WEREN'T MADE IN GLORIOUS NIPPON WHY WOULD ONE WASTE HONORABLE TIME WITH WIDE-EYE GAME????

    SCRABMLES-CHAN IS WISE BEYOND YEARS.

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I've encountered plenty of people who do, actually, share Faffel's feelings regarding the JRPG genre. I am one of them. But I agree that this has gotten pretty ridiculous and unproductive, especially the way the argument is being carried out.

    I would not mind a more measured discussion of the genre in an appropriate thread, though. Of course, every time we have this argument it seems to degenerate into this sort of shitstorm...

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Djiem wrote: »
    Ok, scratch what I said earlier, the OP is an idiot who loves japanese games because they are japanese and that makes them cooler.
    Sorry I didn't assume the worst at first.


    Still...
    Policenauts?
    What is that?

    I think it's an adventure game made by Kojima? Not too sure.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    Henroid on
  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Ok, scratch what I said earlier, the OP is an idiot who loves japanese games because they are japanese and that makes them cooler.
    Sorry I didn't assume the worst at first.


    Still...
    Policenauts?
    What is that?

    I think it's a adventure game made by Kojima? Not too sure.

    Yeah, sort of a graphical adventure game with lots of text. It's related vaguely to Snatcher, which was awesome and if you haven't heard of it you should go play it now.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I'm always in favor of killing God (or the church).

    Djiem on
  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Djiem wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I'm always in favor of killing God (or the church).

    What about breaking the heart of God?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Faffel wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I'm always in favor of killing God (or the church).

    What about breaking the heart of God?

    I'm sorry God, it just isn't working out!

    ... no seriously, what?

    Henroid on
  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I LOVE that aspect of those games.

    LOVE IT.

    I'm not religious.

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  • Genji GlovesGenji Gloves ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Djiem wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I'm always in favor of killing God (or the church).

    Genji Gloves on
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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I LOVE that aspect of those games.

    LOVE IT.

    I'm not religious.
    It's okay when it's done well.

    The problem, of course, is that it's done well maybe 1% of the time. In fact, I'm...kind of having a hard time thinking of such a scenario.

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  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Faffel wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I'm always in favor of killing God (or the church).

    What about breaking the heart of God?

    I'm sorry God, it just isn't working out!

    ... no seriously, what?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew5qLIj8W18

    Eat Doug Tennapel

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I LOVE that aspect of those games.

    LOVE IT.

    I'm not religious.
    It's okay when it's done well.

    The problem, of course, is that it's done well maybe 1% of the time. In fact, I'm...kind of having a hard time thinking of such a scenario.

    Breath of Fire 3 does it REALLY damn well. Very good buildup too.

    Henroid on
  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Anything like that is always going to come across as didactic agenda-pushing bullshit. When you tell me a story, I want a good story, not a lesson about what's wrong with my life/other people's lives/the world/lemon-lime cola.

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    This is why Final Fantasy Legend is probably the best JRPG ever.

    (ending spoilers)
    You get to the top floor, and although nobody's been leading up to it at all with any kind of plot that would suggest it, and you meet the Creator in all His glory, donning what I like to think of as a top hat and a tuxedo, though your opinion might vary since it's like 8x14 pixels.

    Then God congratulates you on beating his game by being the first to make it to the top. Then upon meeting God, and finding out that you just participated in some grand experiment to teach man about courage you are completely disgusted. God offers you a wish, and you tell him no, you didn't want to be a pawn in his Creation, so then you kill Him.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I LOVE that aspect of those games.

    LOVE IT.

    I'm not religious.
    It's okay when it's done well.

    The problem, of course, is that it's done well maybe 1% of the time. In fact, I'm...kind of having a hard time thinking of such a scenario.

    Breath of Fire 3 does it REALLY damn well. Very good buildup too.

    Damn, that's just what I was reminiscing about.

    I liked the way FFT involved god, a little I guess, I forget how much, but didn't make it the focal point.

    Xenogears had a lot of god stuff, but it wasn't as well done, and was very confusing. The story flowed poorly in that respect.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Anything like that is always going to come across as didactic agenda-pushing bullshit. When you tell me a story, I want a good story, not a lesson about what's wrong with my life/other people's lives/the world/lemon-lime cola.

    Shit.

    That'd be pretty hard to do. Creating a story about nothing.

    Well, there's always Seinfeld.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Have we talked about Japan's hardon in RPGs to make God the badguy (or the church)?

    I LOVE that aspect of those games.

    LOVE IT.

    I'm not religious.
    It's okay when it's done well.

    The problem, of course, is that it's done well maybe 1% of the time. In fact, I'm...kind of having a hard time thinking of such a scenario.

    Breath of Fire 3 does it REALLY damn well. Very good buildup too.
    Ah! Yes, Breath of Fire 3 was good. I liked Breath of Fire 2's take on it to (at the time, now it's just as much a cliche, hi FFX :lol:) where 99% of the church members just genuinely believed in the God they were presented with and were just good, honest people with no clue they were secretly worshiping some Evil Death God.

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think they almost always fail to use gods right in JRPGs; it seems they tend to miss their literary significance.

    Instead of being the forces that be that are beyond man's control that man must learn to cope with, it seems that when the JRPG designer is thinking about it their thought process is like this:

    We need a really really badass thing for people to fight. What's really badass?

    Demons? Dragons? Ninjas?

    No, they're probably killed like a hundred of those things in this game. What's more badass than that?

    God? Yeah, lets have them fight God. He's at least level 50.

    piL on
  • FaffelFaffel Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    piL wrote: »
    I think they almost always fail to use gods right in JRPGs; it seems they tend to miss their literary significance.

    Instead of being the forces that be that are beyond man's control that man must learn to cope with, it seems that when the JRPG designer is thinking about it their thought process is like this:

    We need a really really badass thing for people to fight. What's really badass?

    Demons? Dragons? Ninjas?

    No, they're probably killed like a hundred of those things in this game. What's more badass than that?

    God? Yeah, lets have them fight God. He's at least level 50.

    I want a JRPG where the god you fight is Azathoth and as soon as you cross dimensions into his infinite court of madness your character falls shrieking to the ground before his mind implodes and he dances eternally as one of its jesters.

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