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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Actually, EU law prohibits working longer than 48 hours per week. The UK is an exception in that it permits employees to opt out of that prohibition by signing a release that must be renewed annually, but there's growing pressure from other EU countries to force that to be dropped.
    Ryadic wrote: »
    So they work seven hours for five days a week? Do they get paid lunches or do they get unpaid lunches? Or is like the US where it depends if you're salary or hourly?

    I never knew that about France.

    As I understand it, most people work a four day week. I don't know how the fine detail works, though. It's a popular left-wing policy because, theoretically, there are more jobs available for a given amount of economic activity.

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  • RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    So working 60 hours a week is unheard of to you? My aunt works that during the busy season of the year, which happened to be the last two months. It's over now, though.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ours currently comes from being short staffed, and they'd rather force OT then hire more people during this economy.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Actually, EU law prohibits working longer than 48 hours per week. The UK is an exception in that it permits employees to opt out of that prohibition by signing a release that must be renewed annually, but there's growing pressure from other EU countries to force that to be dropped.



    As I understand it, most people work a four day week. I don't know how the fine detail works, though. It's a popular left-wing policy because, theoretically, there are more jobs available for a given amount of economic activity.
    Fun Fact: there's a federal-level political party trying to bring those employment policies into Canada. It's called the "Work Less Party".

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ryadic wrote: »
    So working 60 hours a week is unheard of to you? My aunt works that during the busy season of the year, which happened to be the last two months. It's over now, though.

    In the UK, sure, but you have to sign the opt-out. In the rest of the EU, it's pretty much unheard of.

    The current plan for the UK (to appease the other countries) is to prohibit working more than 48 hours on average over a fairly long period. That way, technically the letter of the prohibition is applied, but it affects the least number of people.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ryadic wrote: »
    So working 60 hours a week is unheard of to you? My aunt works that during the busy season of the year, which happened to be the last two months. It's over now, though.
    It's discouraged, but it's not like they throw you in jail for working long hours. I mean, what the hell? If you want to work 60hrs/week then no one is going to stop you. But the company cannot demand you to work those hours by law, it's something like 40 or 38 max here.

    DSC: you know what a union is, it's like what the writers in Hollywood have.

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  • Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Morning guys. How are you today?

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Ours currently comes from being short staffed, and they'd rather force OT then hire more people during this economy.

    My place is hiring like crazy at the moment. There's an incentive scheme if you refer a friend for a job opening and they're hired. Currently it stands at £750 if they're hired and a further £750 if they stay with the company longer than six months.

    Also this coming tuesday is "Bring a friend to work day". You can bring someone to work so that they see what the place is like, and if they're interested they'll interview them on the spot.

    We are desperate for staff.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    In France, the maximum legal working week is 35 hours. That is to say, you personally are legally prohibited from working for longer than that. If you do, both you and your employer are in the shit.
    Ah Paris, you get to nap in the arvo to, in case lunch was to heavy on your tum tum. they smoke where they want, cuss all the time and generally don't give a shit about time, nit uncommon to be late to business meetings etc.

    Wish we had seista here in Australia. Mind you we have something like 10 public holidays, so I guess it balances out.

    Only thing we are a bit slack on is paid-maternity leave.

    Do you like your job? Can you change? Although now is not the best time for you to do that with the economic situation in the US.

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  • JamesJames Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I work a 35 hour week. I like it.

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  • RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Ours currently comes from being short staffed, and they'd rather force OT then hire more people during this economy.

    Sounds like a company I used to work for when I lived in Florida.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Aldo wrote: »

    DSC: you know what a union is, it's like what the writers in Hollywood have.

    I was joking :)

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009

    Do you like your job? Can you change? Although now is not the best time for you to do that with the economic situation in the US.

    Considering the Navy actually. The thought of enlisting is scary though.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    My place is hiring like crazy at the moment. There's an incentive scheme if you refer a friend for a job opening and they're hired. Currently it stands at £750 if they're hired and a further £750 if they stay with the company longer than six months.

    Also this coming tuesday is "Bring a friend to work day". You can bring someone to work so that they see what the place is like, and if they're interested they'll interview them on the spot.

    We are desperate for staff.
    cool, do they sponsor overseas staff (i'm currently not an upstanding citizen...lol) but I'd love to work in the UK

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    My place is hiring like crazy at the moment. There's an incentive scheme if you refer a friend for a job opening and they're hired. Currently it stands at £750 if they're hired and a further £750 if they stay with the company longer than six months.

    Also this coming tuesday is "Bring a friend to work day". You can bring someone to work so that they see what the place is like, and if they're interested they'll interview them on the spot.

    We are desperate for staff.
    cool, do they sponsor overseas staff (i'm currently not an upstanding citizen...lol) but I'd love to work in the UK

    They might do through a graduate scheme or something. This hiring is specifically for the office I'm in, though I imagine that as long as you're legally entitled to be working in the UK they're not going to be fussy about where you're from.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Considering the Navy actually. The thought of enlisting is scary though.
    I'm going to make a big statemnet here, but it is only born of love of humanity and peace.

    Could you do it, your country is at war? Would your loved ones cope?

    I couldn't do it personally, I'm not chicken i have been in a war zone and had a gun to my head. I just wouldn't do it by choice.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Considering the Navy actually. The thought of enlisting is scary though.
    I'm going to make a big statemnet here, but it is only born of love of humanity and peace.

    Could you do it, your country is at war? Would your loved ones cope?

    I couldn't do it personally, I'm not chicken i have been in a war zone and had a gun to my head. I just wouldn't do it by choice.

    Well my country sorta is at war, but one of the nice things about the navy is I wouldn't be a frontline solider. My dad was in the navy so I'm used to the lifestyle though.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    They might do through a graduate scheme or something. This hiring is specifically for the office I'm in, though I imagine that as long as you're legally entitled to be working in the UK they're not going to be fussy about where you're from.
    I fell in love and missed my window (you have to be 31 or under to get the once off working visa.)

    I applied and got the visa, but never made it to the UK. It sucks now that I'm single to think I missed it (my own fault, no-one else to blame on that choice.)

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Aldo wrote: »

    DSC: you know what a union is, it's like what the writers in Hollywood have.

    I was joking :)

    So was I.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Well my country sorta is at war, but one of the nice things about the navy is I wouldn't be a frontline solider. My dad was in the navy so I'm used to the lifestyle though.
    I think frontline or not it would change you to a certain degree.

    The Navy here has an attractive Uni program, but if thier is a war, it would be all hands on deck I would imagine.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    O hey, any folks around with some knowledge of US law, someone says the government should collect all dead people and use them for organs. I said "sanctuary of body and mind, dead or alive" but now they're asking where it says that.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Aldo wrote: »
    O hey, any folks around with some knowledge of US law, someone says the government should collect all dead people and use them for organs. I said "sanctuary of body and mind, dead or alive" but now they're asking where it says that.
    Screw dead people. Poor people is who the government should be collecting and harvesting.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    To be fair, the reason my employer is desperate for staff is that they have a really good reputation for training up good staff, but have been making the working conditions steadily worse over the last year or so. There's a lot of churn, which mostly consists of the experienced people realising they could be making more for less stress elsewhere and leaving.

    This is partly why I keep thinking about discreetly having a word with an agency, but I'm mid-project at the moment and kind of want to see how it pans out, because if it's a success it puts me in a good position to negotiate myself a better deal.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Well my country sorta is at war, but one of the nice things about the navy is I wouldn't be a frontline solider. My dad was in the navy so I'm used to the lifestyle though.
    I think frontline or not it would change you to a certain degree.

    The Navy here has an attractive Uni program, but if thier is a war, it would be all hands on deck I would imagine.

    Our college program for when you're both in and out is great.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    I think the last time we had this thread it turned into something of a clusterfuck.
    Honestly Japan, you could say that about every other thread here.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    I think the last time we had this thread it turned into something of a clusterfuck.
    Honestly Japan, you could say that about every other thread here.

    I think that one sticks in my mind because the people on one side where arguing against what basically amounted to "squick". So it kind of went like this:

    "Reasoned argument"
    "But eeeeewwwww"
    "Citation of statistics"
    "But eeeeewwwww"
    "Appeal to rationality"
    "EEEEEWWWWW"

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm on my fifth cup of coffee and still about to pass out. I really need to stop playing WoW. Staying up all night raiding when I should be sleeping isn't healthy and is the reason I quit playing the last time.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    James wrote: »
    I work a 35 hour week. I like it.
    That is sooo good, before I went on holidays I pulled a 55 hour week (normally do 35 myself), good news is I got prompted a while back so the money goes up and effort doesn't have to.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    japan wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    I think the last time we had this thread it turned into something of a clusterfuck.
    Honestly Japan, you could say that about every other thread here.

    I think that one sticks in my mind because the people on one side where arguing against what basically amounted to "squick". So it kind of went like this:

    "Reasoned argument"
    "But eeeeewwwww"
    "Citation of statistics"
    "But eeeeewwwww"
    "Appeal to rationality"
    "EEEEEWWWWW"
    In related news, my opinion of Obs has been reconfirmed and solidified.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Anyone every play World of Goo? It's an awesome game.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    Anyone every play World of Goo? It's an awesome game.

    Play something other then WoW? Where would I find the time?

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    It would be funny if the UN kept track of assholes.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Enlighten us with your opinion Richy.

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    MUDO MUDO MUDO

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Enlighten us with your opinion Richy.
    Well it's basically a physics simulator. In each level you have to use goo balls to build elastic structures around the landscape to reach the level exit pipe, which will then suck the unused goo balls out. You have to get a minimum number of balls to pass the level. There are obstacles in each level, like spikes, wind, fire, etc.

    There's also a very weird storyline to all of it. And extra goo balls you get above the level's minimum number go to the World of Goo Corporation, where you can use them to build a giant tower for no apparent reason.

    EDIT: Also, organ donations should be opt-out.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    To be honest, organ donation shouldn't be a choice at all. But realistically there's no chance that'd occur, so we'll have to settle for opt out.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    Well it's basically a physics simulator. In each level you have to use goo balls to build elastic structures around the landscape to reach the level exit pipe, which will then suck the unused goo balls out. You have to get a minimum number of balls to pass the level. There are obstacles in each level, like spikes, wind, fire, etc.

    There's also a very weird storyline to all of it. And extra goo balls you get above the level's minimum number go to the World of Goo Corporation, where you can use them to build a giant tower for no apparent reason.

    EDIT: Also, organ donations should be opt-out.
    I shall try your game of enjoyment whilst stuck in bed, I like the sound of it.

    Also I agree with your organ donership comment.

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  • RallyGirl76RallyGirl76 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Leitner wrote: »
    To be honest, organ donation shouldn't be a choice at all. But realistically there's no chance that'd occur, so we'll have to settle for opt out.
    Unfortunate truth is while there are religions, it will never be mandatory.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sweeeeet, I got a key for Windows 7.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ugh, my body refuses to let me sleep any longer.

    Morning chat.

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