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FINALS: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE

Son of BeyonderSon of Beyonder From BeyondBeyondRegistered User regular
edited November 2006 in Graphic Violence
NEW RULES!

Finalists may view video of any previous match..

Finalists may not have any special equipment.

The arena for the final match is Battleworld itself. The whole thing. All of it. Any kind of terrain or civilization you can think of is probably here.


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THOR

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman Strength, Speed and Stamina, Semi-invulnerability, Flight (via Mjolnir), Weather Control, Force Blasts

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SUPERMAN

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman strength, super speed & stamina, freezing breath, multiple extrasensory and vision powers, invulnerability, longevity, flight

wonderwoman.pngWONDER WOMAN

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Flight, super-strength, super-speed, highly developed fighting skills, enhanced hearing, enhanced vision, animal empathy, regeneration, sisterhood with fire, high resistance to magic

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SHADE

POWERS AND ABILITIES: umbrakinesis (ability to control darkness) - ability to travel great distances in short amounts of time, and create constructs out of shadows

Finalists may match video of any match.. Heroes come equipped with only their standard equipment. Weaknesses that are not publicly known to the hero’s home universe/world will not be made available to the heroes during prep time. Heroes who already know of these weaknesses for whatever reason are not caused to forget this information.

THERE WILL BE NEW VOTING RULES FOR THE FINAL ROUND. THESE NEW RULES WILL BE POSTED TOMORROW NIGHT AT ELEVEN O’CLOCK CENTRAL TIME.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Super...

    Wonder...

    Shad...

    I JUST DON'T KNOW

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Superman should totally win this. I can't think of a more fitting end to this thing.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I think Superman should win too, I just have no idea how to beat Shade. I mean Supes and WW are both much stronger and faster than he is, but can he even be hurt physically?

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I'm going for WW.


    I admit, I can't really vote for Shade to win, since he was a villain so recently (I thought he still was til this thing started) and it doesn't feel right for him to win Best Hero Evar.

    So let's say Shade gets taken out somehow (it must be possible or he wouldn't be allowed in). Supes and Thor go at it, maybe with WW joining in...eventually Thor goes down, and Supes hesitates more than WW does, giving her the win.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I am voting for Thor

    Make Mine Marvel.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    I think Superman should win too, I just have no idea how to beat Shade. I mean Supes and WW are both much stronger and faster than he is, but can he even be hurt physically?

    As far as I know, yes.

    I think I'm going

    1. Superman
    2. Thor
    3. Wonder Woman
    4. Shade

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    Gear GirlGear Girl More class than a state university Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So just how untouchable or invulnerable is Shade?

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    No one knows.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    the answer is none

    none untouchable

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    As far as I can tell, Shade is more vulnerable than everyone else in this fight but is also able to brace himself and take evasive action so long as he isn't taken unawares. His regular vulnerability is somewhere around invulnerability that's a rung or two below Superman (Luke Cage?). If he's ready for an attack, though, he can dodge fairly easily or use his shadows for defense.

    Also, he's been part of more than one Flash's rogues gallery. I'm thinking he's capable of dealing with super-speed.

    And remember than Wonder Woman's invulnerability doesn't protect her from piercing attacks (that's why she has the bracelets).

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I think most people were just voting Shade so high since they didn't really know what he could do but he sounded cool and has some good powers added with the fact that he had some pretty decent supporters.

    I think I'm going to vote:
    Superman
    Thor/Wonder Woman
    Shade

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    Gear GirlGear Girl More class than a state university Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I think I'm going..

    Wonder Woman
    Superman
    Thor
    Shade

    I think WW and Supes would take Shade out fairly quickly right off that bat and then just start hammering away at Thor until he caved. Then if Superman even chose to fight Wonder Woman after that I think he'd end up throwing a punch he'd regret and just forfit the victory to WW.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Superman can't hurt Shade at all, guys. If he makes a shadow shield (the magic makes it impenetrable), then Superman cannot break it anymore than a normal human can. If Shade sends a shadow spike at Superman, it will not be stopped by his invulnerability.

    Wonder Woman, meanwhile, only needs to get hit by too many piercing attacks to block. It's lame, but that's just how they designed her.

    Their being able to take down Shade is contingent on their super-speed being too much for him, but if he can hold his own against Flashes (without even trying, mind you) then I think he's reasonably prepared for lower-tier speedsters.

    The only person Shade would have a problem with is Thor, depending of course on the limits of Thor's invulnerability. The only time I've ever seen him get hurt is when that zombie viking broke his arms.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Um uh um uh

    Thor

    no wait

    shade

    no

    thor

    ahhh

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    TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    Superman and Wonder Woman will just absolutely destroy anyone and anything thrown at them. Shade will be taken down at the speed of light (ironic for the man of shadow) and Thor will be ripped limb from limb.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    why do you assholes always forget thor is a fucking god
    wikipedia wrote:
    The strongest of the Norse gods, Thor has performed feats such as lifting a section of the World Serpent and hurling the Odinsword — an extra-dimensional object of incredible power — through the Celestial Arishem. Thor possesses superhuman strength rivaling that of other Marvel powerhouses such as the Hulk, Hercules, and Gladiator. He also possesses godly stamina, is highly resistant to physical injury, and possesses superior speed and reflexes. If pressed in battle, Thor is capable of entering into a "berserker rage" which will increase his strength tenfold.

    In addition, Thor is a superb hand-to-hand combatant and has mastered a number of weapons such as the war hammer, sword, and mace. Thor is also very cunning and intuitive in battle, with many centuries of experience. Thor possesses two items that assist him in combat: the Belt of Strength and his mystical hammer Mjolnir. The first item doubles Thor's strength, while the second can used for flight; weather control; energy projection; dimensional control; matter manipulation and the God Blast, which is a channelling of Thor's godly essence into one massive burst of energy.

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    Captain CanuckCaptain Canuck Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    why are marvel heroes so overpowered

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    why are marvel heroes so overpowered

    A character is only as overpowered as its writer lets it be.

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    Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I support Thor and all of his godliness

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Everything makes me want to vote Thor, but for some reason, I'd just feel dirty doing it.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Furu wrote:
    why are marvel heroes so overpowered

    A character is only as overpowered as its writer lets it be.

    Oh shit, Spider-man just KO'd firelord.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    If we're allowing old comrades to team up then WW and Supes have to finish on top. Are we allowing them? I mean, this is the final and all.

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    Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Shade's magic invulnerability can't be penetrated by Superman or Wonderwoman, although I'm not sure about Thor. But he's certainly fast enough to evade Thor long enough to win.

    Superman will get taken down by shade's magical darkness, and Wonder Woman has no defense against getting stabbed a hundred times at once by it.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Bogart wrote:
    If we're allowing old comrades to team up then WW and Supes have to finish on top. Are we allowing them? I mean, this is the final and all.

    I take it you never watched an old WWF free for all.

    It basically amounts to who can take advantage of who's trust the best.

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    BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    Bogart wrote:
    If we're allowing old comrades to team up then WW and Supes have to finish on top. Are we allowing them? I mean, this is the final and all.

    I take it you never watched an old WWF free for all.

    It basically amounts to who can take advantage of who's trust the best.

    It would be nice if we could consider this a free-for-all, but from the response so far it looks as though everyone is thinking Supes and WW will team up to take out the others before either even thinks about taking on the other. It's natural that they should do so, but it makes this into a 2v1v1 fight, at least until the two fighting solo are out of the picture. This is sort of boring.

    It also blows Thor's chances out of the water, which makes this particular Marvel fanboy :( .

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I think Shade has the experience to beat this.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Bogart wrote:
    Bogart wrote:
    If we're allowing old comrades to team up then WW and Supes have to finish on top. Are we allowing them? I mean, this is the final and all.

    I take it you never watched an old WWF free for all.

    It basically amounts to who can take advantage of who's trust the best.

    It would be nice if we could consider this a free-for-all, but from the response so far it looks as though everyone is thinking Supes and WW will team up to take out the others before either even thinks about taking on the other. It's natural that they should do so, but it makes this into a 2v1v1 fight, at least until the two fighting solo are out of the picture. This is sort of boring.

    It also blows Thor's chances out of the water, which makes this particular Marvel fanboy :( .

    Um, it's a FFA by definition. Only one person is left standing at the end. People can make alliances for the duration, but part of the fight is knowing when to cut your alliance. I'd bet more on Supes trying to donkey punch diana asap to prevent her from getting killed by Shade's spikes of doom.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I want Thor to win and Shade to get second, just so we don't have one of the most predictable outcomes in the world. Still, it is better than Batman and Hulk (my other guess at the finalists).

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    delphinusdelphinus Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Thor
    and then Supes


    'Yea Verily bitches

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    CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I really just see Thor smiting Shade with the power of the Gods.

    I don't know. It just seems like he'd be vulnerable to being struck down with millions of volts of godly lightning.

    Thor for the win? Yes.

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    GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Both Superman and Wonder Woman would be worthy to lift Mjolnir. The way I see it, the first time Thor threw that thing at one of them they'd catch it, and fuck everyone else's shit up.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Charmy wrote:
    I really just see Thor smiting Shade with the power of the Gods.

    I don't know. It just seems like he'd be vulnerable to being struck down with millions of volts of godly lightning.

    Thor for the win? Yes.
    He'd have to find him.

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    GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I want Thor to win and Shade to get second, just so we don't have one of the most predictable outcomes in the world. Still, it is better than Batman and Hulk (my other guess at the finalists).

    The Hulk should have made it though.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Shade now basically has Kitty's and Sue's advantage here. He can cover huge amounts of ground, and if he hides somewhere dark, like say, a cave, he can take out the other competitors one by one.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Shade.

    How's that you muscle-bound junkies? Shade for the mother fuckin win!

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Shade now basically has Kitty's and Sue's advantage here. He can cover huge amounts of ground, and if he hides somewhere dark, like say, a cave, he can take out the other competitors one by one.

    I don't mean to nitpick here... but Shade has been part of Flash's Rogues Gallery for how long? He's gone up against Superman and Wonder Woman before, right? And... just out of curiosity... how many times did he win?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Retconned to be him not trying and just fucking with them.

    Which you guys have to take into account.

    He is going to want to fuck with the fighters.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Sentry wrote:
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Shade now basically has Kitty's and Sue's advantage here. He can cover huge amounts of ground, and if he hides somewhere dark, like say, a cave, he can take out the other competitors one by one.

    I don't mean to nitpick here... but Shade has been part of Flash's Rogues Gallery for how long? He's gone up against Superman and Wonder Woman before, right? And... just out of curiosity... how many times did he win?

    This is a good point. Shade simply doesn't care enough. If the fight was to the death, he'd probably kick all kinds of ass, but since it's a fight to knockout, he may just go "eh" and let himself be defeated.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Hell, he might beat them all to an inch of their lives then kill some civvie just to fuck with them.

    Yeah bitches, I coulda won. In fact, I had won. How's it feel winning, when you know you were in second place the whole time?

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    MonkeydryeMonkeydrye Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    1) Is Shades Darkness actually Magic? I just thought it was some alternative energy type thing.
    2) Hiding in the dark will not work on Supes or WW...they have hightened senses.


    I think it goes:
    WW
    Shade
    Thor
    Superman

    Shade has expeience, WW has skill and tactics (she is apparently one of the smartest league members as well). There is too much magic and weird stuff for Superman to handle, and everyone would gun for him.

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