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My computer went SKREEEE-pop and now it smells bad (update: super-dead)

Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
...and it wont boot up.

When I went to turn it on at the wall point this morning I got a shock when it sounded like I'd stepped on a few dozen mice. That sound cut out after a few seconds and was replaced by the smell of delicious roast chemicals.

The smell seems to be coming from the PSU. Anything I should check before just buying a replacement unit?

FWIW, the PSU was an Antec. It doesnt really seem to have lasted much longer than any other PSUs I've bought, branded or unbranded. Every single one I've bought over the last decade have lasted only 2-3 years. Am I doing something wrong here?

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    if the psu went like that there's a good chance it took the motherboard out with it. As to the other point if you've had more than one psu die like this, in such a short period of time my guess would be you probably have pretty dirty power. Getting a decent UPS would solve the problem

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Make sure the replacement power supply you get is the one you would put in a new machine if you were to build one. Because if the PSU took out other components, that's exactly what you'll end up doing.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Damn. Well since I'm working off my laptop about 99% of the time now, I might just get an inexpensive psu and see if the desktop is salvageable.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Question here. Is it bad to switch my computer on at the power point without turning off the PSU first?

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The PSU's switch probably physically cuts power the same way the power point does, so I doubt it makes a difference.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    why are you turning the PC off at the wall [switch? unplugging?] instead of just shutting it down?

    But yeah, if the PSU went, it most likely signed a suicide pact with the mobo, and possibly the ram too.

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  • HarshLanguageHarshLanguage Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    And if the whole mobo didn't die, parts of it still may have, so if you plug in a new PSU and it works, be sure to test all the onboard motherboard bits (usb ports, ethernet, sound, etc).

    Good luck.

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Damn. Well since I'm working off my laptop about 99% of the time now, I might just get an inexpensive psu and see if the desktop is salvageable.

    No no no no no no no no no no.

    If there's one thing you absolutely don't want to skimp on, it's your PSU. Don't buy a cheapo, no-name PSU unless you're ok with running the risk it's a piece of shit and will take everything else out with it.

    Saving $40 might cost you another $400 in new parts.

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  • RavenidRavenid Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I like Zalman PSU's very reliable. Corsiar's are good too but I had one that went funny and killed my MBD when it went (A good PSU will give its life for your system not the other way around.) but they do have a good reputation.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    why are you turning the PC off at the wall [switch? unplugging?] instead of just shutting it down?

    But yeah, if the PSU went, it most likely signed a suicide pact with the mobo, and possibly the ram too.

    I shut it down normally then shut off the power point at the wall because a whole bunch of other stuff is hooked up to that point too, printer, external drives, etc because I hardly use the desktop. Maybe once in a week or so. Just keeping the power bill down.
    Damn. Well since I'm working off my laptop about 99% of the time now, I might just get an inexpensive psu and see if the desktop is salvageable.

    No no no no no no no no no no.

    If there's one thing you absolutely don't want to skimp on, it's your PSU. Don't buy a cheapo, no-name PSU unless you're ok with running the risk it's a piece of shit and will take everything else out with it.

    Saving $40 might cost you another $400 in new parts.

    What I want to do is check which parts are working. Then break up everything that works for parts and sell it off. I'm not using it much anymore and think it might be time to get rid of it.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    It was probably just the PSU dying. Any PSUs made after early 2008 in my experience last no more than 5 months. They're all crap.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    It was probably just the PSU dying. Any PSUs made after early 2008 in my experience last no more than 5 months. They're all crap.

    Don't you mean CHEAP PSU's? You have to find a reasonably quality one and be willing to pay 75-125$ for above average components.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    It was probably just the PSU dying. Any PSUs made after early 2008 in my experience last no more than 5 months. They're all crap.

    Don't you mean CHEAP PSU's? You have to find a reasonably quality one and be willing to pay 75-125$ for above average components.

    The cheap PSU in my P2/P3 HP tower is still going fine from 1999. All PSUs newer than early '08 have died here. The PSU in my roommate's new HP has died 3 times now, and has popped (but is still working right now) a 4th time.

    What happened here is one of the OP's capacitors bit it, the computer should be fine.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    It was probably just the PSU dying. Any PSUs made after early 2008 in my experience last no more than 5 months. They're all crap.

    Don't you mean CHEAP PSU's? You have to find a reasonably quality one and be willing to pay 75-125$ for above average components.

    The cheap PSU in my P2/P3 HP tower is still going fine from 1999. All PSUs newer than early '08 have died here. The PSU in my roommate's new HP has died 3 times now, and has popped (but is still working right now) a 4th time.

    What happened here is one of the OP's capacitors bit it, the computer should be fine.

    Hp's and Dells are notoriously shitty machines.

    I always tell people to get a UPS. Anything to avoid a hard voltage drop or spike is a good thing. I can't believe some people still run their machines without a surge protector. It is a must.
    FWIW, the PSU was an Antec. It doesnt really seem to have lasted much longer than any other PSUs I've bought, branded or unbranded. Every single one I've bought over the last decade have lasted only 2-3 years. Am I doing something wrong here?

    Overloading and underloading the PSU always reduces its lifespan. 2-3 years depending on usage is about average. I turn my computer off to reduce wear and tear and to reduce the chance of some sort of issue while I'm away.

    Personally, I try not to skimp on the PSU since its the one thing that is usually the first to fail and likely to take other components out when it does. That and modular cabling is very sexy to install.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Good PSU's last a long time. I still have a couple working units that powered K6-2-350's way back in the day (which today power an overclocked coppermine p3 and celeron.) I don't sell cheap PSU's at all, and I rarely get busted PSU's from customers. The only two recent times to date were with the same guy, who I suspect has dirty power. Could also be a voodoo curse. He just moved, so I guess we'll see one way or another.

    I don't think there's any reason to think modern one's are different. I only worry when I buy what's reported to be a quality unit, but it doesn't have any heft to it. Hardly a professional way to analyze PSU's, but I sure have noticed that cheap PSU's tend also to be featherweights.

    edit: already said, but a UPS is such a good investment if you actually like your computer. They're also pretty affordable these days. Just research your available purchases before buying.

    Ego on
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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I've done a bit of digging and it seems HARDOCP does a fairly good job of reviewing and torture testing PSU's.

    one of their forumers have compiled a list of PSU's that you should NOT buy. Most are off brand/cheap crap.

    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=974240

    DO NOT USE PSU'S that come with cases. These are usually THE WORST KIND OF PSU to buy. You get what you pay for.

    If I were going to go get a PSU tommorrow? I would likely go and snag this.
    http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ0NSwzLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    DO NOT USE PSU'S that come with cases. These are usually THE WORST KIND OF PSU to buy. You get what you pay for.

    For the most part this is true, but Antec generally makes pretty good PSUs and bundles them with their pretty good cases.

    I mean, you can do better in either department by buying separately but Antec has the only bundles that I'd actually use.

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Totally not my thread but i'm gonna stick it in anyway, my Monitir is acting up, when Im not on for awhile it will go into power save mode but when I try to wake it up nothing happens, the little light that says it has power just blinks So I just restart it but I have to restart the computer like ten times before the screen will start working agian, anyone know whats happening ?

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Yeah, Antec bundled PSUs are usually fine. They're seldom single-rail monsters, but they're reliable enough to trust powering your hardware.

    Ego on
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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    That said, any piece of electronics from any brand is going to have some failure rate. You can get the most solid Seasonic or PCP&C power supply you can find and there'll be that 0.001% (or whatever) that will self-destruct and/or kill your dog.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Okay, pluggin in the new psu and... nothing.

    The motherboard's power indicator is on, so it's getting juice, but it refuses to start up. Checked and rechecked all the connections to no avail.

    Right now I'm going back out to get an IDE casing so I can at least get all the stuff off the hard drives and transfer them over to my laptop.

    There's still a few components, 2gbs of memory (4x512), Silent 8600gt, wireless card, dvd burner, etc. Is it worthwhile ebaying them or are they likely to have been trashed in the burnout as well?

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Memory can be sensitive to SKREEEE-pop failures (the words make me smile,) but I'd still try the components on a different system before selling or throwing them away.

    Ego on
    Erik
  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hm, well, I'll just ebay em for a dollar each with a caveat then stick a ridiculous shipping bill on it. It's a win-win! (except for the buyer)

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Okay, pluggin in the new psu and... nothing.

    The motherboard's power indicator is on, so it's getting juice, but it refuses to start up. Checked and rechecked all the connections to no avail.

    I know you said you checked and rechecked the connections, but are you sure you plugged the ATX12V or EPS12V connectors into the motherboard? A surprisingly high number of people overlook that step even though they swear they hooked everything up right.

    As for PSU brands, I like (and recommend) PC Power & Cooling.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Yup, plugged every hole that was meant to be plugged.

    Guy at the store recommended stripping the computer back down and removing the motherboard battery for awhile to reset the uhm, thingy. We'll see how that goes before I hop back down there for the IDE cases.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Son of a bitch, looks like the exploding psu took out my main drive.

    Thankfully the second HDD is alright, and that's where all my data is stored. Small mercies eh?

    edit: Son of a fuck, the motor starts up but it looks like it's completely screwed too.

    I did make backups... but how long ago? D:

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ugh, not too bad. Only a few weeks work lost.

    And a lot of porn. Damn do I feel bad. So bad.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ugh, not too bad. Only a few weeks work lost.

    And a lot of porn. Damn do I feel bad. So bad.

    Losing porn is the hardest thing a man can live through, You have my sympathies.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hm, well, I'll just ebay em for a dollar each with a caveat then stick a ridiculous shipping bill on it. It's a win-win! (except for the buyer)

    Man what. Don't do this.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    What exactly is wrong with sticking an explicit warning on an item that it may be broken then ebaying it at a dollar? :\

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Saying it's broken is fine, it's tacking on the ridiculous shipping that's not. It's underhanded.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Tacking on shipping is against their TOS and I'm not even sure you can set the shipping seperately now, you just put in the weight and it's auto-calculated.

    Marking it clearly that it's broken is fine, people buy and sell broken stuff on there all the time, hoping to be able to fix something and therefore get it cheap.

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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Jeez guys way to take a joke seriously.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Jeez guys way to take a joke seriously.

    I always err on the side of caution.
    That'll be 70$ for reading this post.

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  • pwnyexpresspwnyexpress Registered User new member
    edited January 2009
    For me it was right in the middle of a game. The computer shuts down, restarts and POP: it Smells like brain cancer. So I cut the power and think 'wtf?' So I started using my sniffer to find the problem. The strongest smell is coming from CPU heatsink and fan. Problem solved right? Nope, I put it back together and turn it on and it works fine. RAM, CPU, video card, hard drive and PSU. All of it functions as if nothing happened.

    I should still be concerned right?

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    For me it was right in the middle of a game. The computer shuts down, restarts and POP: it Smells like brain cancer. So I cut the power and think 'wtf?' So I started using my sniffer to find the problem. The strongest smell is coming from CPU heatsink and fan. Problem solved right? Nope, I put it back together and turn it on and it works fine. RAM, CPU, video card, hard drive and PSU. All of it functions as if nothing happened.

    I should still be concerned right?

    Might have been over heating and cooked the dust in the heatsink that caused the buttsmell.

    Unless the heatsinks clean.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    What kind of DVD Burner is it Synth? If it is sufficiently cheap and SATA I might take it.

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  • pwnyexpresspwnyexpress Registered User new member
    edited January 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »

    Might have been over heating and cooked the dust in the heatsink that caused the buttsmell.

    Unless the heatsinks clean.

    I would like to believe that's all it was, but it is quite new, so dust is minimal. Plus the whole popping noise. Like an idiot I'll probably just keep using the computer and eventually I am sure I will find out what went wrong.

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