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A doctor who carried out a failed contraceptive operation has been ordered by a German court to pay financial support for the child.
The gynaecologist had inserted a patch into the patient's arm, but it failed to prevent pregnancy six months later.
The doctor is on the hook for $400 a month until the kid is 18, which makes for $86,000 or so in total.
I would hope, I would really, really hope, that they have good proof that the doctor really was negligent in this case, and this wasn't just some fluke chance of the device failing on its own. Either way, I'd imagine that doctors in Germany may think twice about implanting this thing from now on, and at least require the woman to sign away rights to child support.
One thing I wonder: if this is referred to as Child Support, will his malpractice insurance still pay for this?
But I don't mind, as long as there's a bed beneath the stars that shine,
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
A doctor who carried out a failed contraceptive operation has been ordered by a German court to pay financial support for the child.
The gynaecologist had inserted a patch into the patient's arm, but it failed to prevent pregnancy six months later.
The doctor is on the hook for $400 a month until the kid is 18, which makes for $86,000 or so in total.
I would hope, I would really, really hope, that they have good proof that the doctor really was negligent in this case, and this wasn't just some fluke chance of the device failing on its own. Either way, I'd imagine that doctors in Germany may think twice about implanting this thing from now on, and at least require the woman to sign away rights to child support.
One thing I wonder: if this is referred to as Child Support, will his malpractice insurance still pay for this?
Oops, saw pounds instead of dollars. Ow. That's gonna sting.
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But I don't mind, as long as there's a bed beneath the stars that shine,
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
I would hope, I would really, really hope, that they have good proof that the doctor really was negligent in this case, and this wasn't just some fluke chance of the device failing on its own.
Either way, I'd imagine that doctors in Germany may think twice about implanting this thing from now on, and at least require the woman to sign away rights to child support.
Or they could just, you know, think twice about not doing whatever this dude did or doing whatever this dude failed to do in order to warrant this judgment.
One thing I wonder: if this is referred to as Child Support, will his malpractice insurance still pay for this?
I doubt anyone here knows enough about German law and German medical insurance to answer that one. I believe that wrongful birth suits are covered by malpractice insurance in the US, but those tend to involve cases where the doctor erroneously declared a defective fetus healthy.
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It sounds like it was inserted incorrectly. If that is the case, I would agree with this. Although, it's kind of crappy for the kid. He/she wouldn't be the first kid to find out they were a mistake though.
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I wonder how the overall financial burden winds up being broken down among the doctor, the woman, and the biological father.
The parents, who had known each other six months at the time of the conception, were no longer together, the court said.
The father will also be compensated for the maintenance he is paying for the child.
So the father is going to owe child support, that's good. I'm curious now, does the $800 just cover his share, or just cover some arbitrary measure of the doctor's responsibility, and more will be used to cover the father's share?
One thing I wonder: if this is referred to as Child Support, will his malpractice insurance still pay for this?
I doubt anyone here knows enough about German law and German medical insurance to answer that one. I believe that wrongful birth suits are covered by malpractice insurance in the US, but those tend to involve cases where the doctor erroneously declared a defective fetus healthy.
The insurance covers it. The doctor does not have to pay it out of his own pocket.
Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
Although, it's kind of crappy for the kid. He/she wouldn't be the first kid to find out they were a mistake though.
That's easily the least important facet of this problem. I'm sure he could have extrapolated as much from the simple timing, assuming his parents didn't lie to him about it, and it's not like this case is still going to be making headlines by the time he's old enough to really appreciate the ramifications.
Doctors who are doing contraceptive implants are supposed to check to make sure the implant is, in fact, implanted before telling the patient that she's good to go as soon as it kicks in. It takes very little time, and prevents things like this from happening. It also kind of sounds like this might not be going to the mother, but to the father (as he's liable for child support due to this guy's negligence) or to both of them jointly, as a sort of three-way split of the child's costs.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
This bugs me a bit. Since when is ANY form of contraception 100% infallable? There's always a miniscule chance of getting pregnant, no matter what method is used.
This bugs me a bit. Since when is ANY form of contraception 100% infallable? There's always a miniscule chance of getting pregnant, no matter what method is used.
So how is this guy liable?
He implanted a birth control device. They couldn't find said device in her body after she turned up pregnant. He's liable because he didn't make sure the stupid thing was actually implanted. Were the device to have simply failed to prevent the pregnancy, he'd be completely and utterly in the clear.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
This bugs me a bit. Since when is ANY form of contraception 100% infallable? There's always a miniscule chance of getting pregnant, no matter what method is used.
So how is this guy liable?
He implanted a birth control device. They couldn't find said device in her body after she turned up pregnant. He's liable because he didn't make sure the stupid thing was actually implanted. Were the device to have simply failed to prevent the pregnancy, he'd be completely and utterly in the clear.
I suppose the woman had some sort of moral objection to abortion, or something?
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I suppose the woman had some sort of moral objection to abortion, or something?
She was beyond the time. Abortion is illegal in Germany but not prercecuted when down within the first 12 weeks.
Ah, I didn't know that. I'm somewhat surprised that abortion is illegal in Germany. I'd think we'd hear more prattling about the oppressive patriarchy that hates the wimmins, or something, given how often we here that about the US, where abortion is actually legal.
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I suppose the woman had some sort of moral objection to abortion, or something?
She was beyond the time. Abortion is illegal in Germany but not prercecuted when down within the first 12 weeks.
Which might have played a part in the decision, as implants have an extremely low rate of failure, making it much less likely for a woman to run out and get a pregnancy test the second she misses her period. Had she known she was not protected, even if she didn't use an alternate form of birth control, she could probably have obtained an abortion in time had she believed pregnancy to be a strong possibility.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
I suppose the woman had some sort of moral objection to abortion, or something?
She was beyond the time. Abortion is illegal in Germany but not prercecuted when down within the first 12 weeks.
Ah, I didn't know that. I'm somewhat surprised that abortion is illegal in Germany. I'd think we'd hear more prattling about the oppressive patriarchy that hates the wimmins, or something, given how often we here that about the US, where abortion is actually legal.
Nah, it is typical German politics. Make it illegal in theory to not piss off the conservatives but make it not being presecuted in practical to not piss off the liberals.
Just like marihuana. Illegal, but you usually not get charged when caught with less than 5, I think, gramms.
Or our semi gay marriage thing : Other name, no tax benefits but inheritance rights and the partner got the say
in medical decision rather than the family.
Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
In which case, it sounds like the BBC calling this "child support" is complete bullshit. This is just money awarded two parties who were financially damaged by the doctor's negligence.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
In which case, it sounds like the BBC calling this "child support" is complete bullshit. This is just money awarded two parties who were financially damaged by the doctor's negligence.
Yeah, I find it hard to be perturbed by this. If it had been called "malpractice" and had been a lump sum, nobody would've even blinked.
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Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
In which case, it sounds like the BBC calling this "child support" is complete bullshit. This is just money awarded two parties who were financially damaged by the doctor's negligence.
Yeah, I find it hard to be perturbed by this. If it had been called "malpractice" and had been a lump sum, nobody would've even blinked.
Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
In which case, it sounds like the BBC calling this "child support" is complete bullshit. This is just money awarded two parties who were financially damaged by the doctor's negligence.
Yeah, I find it hard to be perturbed by this. If it had been called "malpractice" and had been a lump sum, nobody would've even blinked.
I don't think anyone except the prolifers debate wrongful birth suits in the US. If parents who come in for tests to determine whether or not the fetus is doing fine are told that the fetus is, in fact, doing fine, and the fetus instead is developing into a lifelong drain on their finances due to medical problems that should have been readily apparent thanks to those tests they paid you for, well...that sort of thing is kind of the whole reason we have malpractice insurance.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
I don't think anyone except the prolifers debate wrongful birth suits in the US. If parents who come in for tests to determine whether or not the fetus is doing fine are told that the fetus is, in fact, doing fine, and the fetus instead is developing into a lifelong drain on their finances due to medical problems that should have been readily apparent thanks to those tests they paid you for, well...that sort of thing is kind of the whole reason we have malpractice insurance.
This is also, coincidentally, an argument for legalizing infanticide. Sometimes the ones you don't want get through.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
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No, it's somewhat tangential. It's related to the burden of wrongful birth, which would be significantly less were the family allowed to kill the baby (which doctors already do in some cases--for example, often if a Downs Baby has an intestinal blockage they'll refrain from performing what would otherwise be a routine operation to save it).
Edit: not to derail, it was just the first thing that sprung to mind. I've had to do readings on this.
True--most countries also do "accidental" overdoses of painkillers if an infant is terminal and suffering--but the only reason I brought it up was due to the case it has established for malpractice settlements relating to the financial imposition unplanned births cause.
Ecoterrorism is actually the single largest terrorist threat at the moment. They don't usually kill people, but they blow up or set on fire very expensive things.
I think it would be better off if it was just a lump sum. making him have to pay(well his insurance) child support will just call attention to the child that he was a mistake. That really can't be good mentally for the kid.
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It's closer to $800 per month.
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
So the father is going to owe child support, that's good. I'm curious now, does the $800 just cover his share, or just cover some arbitrary measure of the doctor's responsibility, and more will be used to cover the father's share?
The insurance covers it. The doctor does not have to pay it out of his own pocket.
Also it is noteworthy that in this case the support the doctor has to pay (or rather his insurance) is dedicated to the mother to cover her financial loss.
The child itself got no entitlements towards him whatsoever, because the judges reasoned 'one does not have a right of his own contraception'.
Doctors who are doing contraceptive implants are supposed to check to make sure the implant is, in fact, implanted before telling the patient that she's good to go as soon as it kicks in. It takes very little time, and prevents things like this from happening. It also kind of sounds like this might not be going to the mother, but to the father (as he's liable for child support due to this guy's negligence) or to both of them jointly, as a sort of three-way split of the child's costs.
So how is this guy liable?
He implanted a birth control device. They couldn't find said device in her body after she turned up pregnant. He's liable because he didn't make sure the stupid thing was actually implanted. Were the device to have simply failed to prevent the pregnancy, he'd be completely and utterly in the clear.
This makes things much clearer, thanks.
She was beyond the time. Abortion is illegal in Germany but not prercecuted when down within the first 12 weeks.
god, at those prices he can't afford not to
Ah, I didn't know that. I'm somewhat surprised that abortion is illegal in Germany. I'd think we'd hear more prattling about the oppressive patriarchy that hates the wimmins, or something, given how often we here that about the US, where abortion is actually legal.
Which might have played a part in the decision, as implants have an extremely low rate of failure, making it much less likely for a woman to run out and get a pregnancy test the second she misses her period. Had she known she was not protected, even if she didn't use an alternate form of birth control, she could probably have obtained an abortion in time had she believed pregnancy to be a strong possibility.
Nah, it is typical German politics. Make it illegal in theory to not piss off the conservatives but make it not being presecuted in practical to not piss off the liberals.
Just like marihuana. Illegal, but you usually not get charged when caught with less than 5, I think, gramms.
Or our semi gay marriage thing : Other name, no tax benefits but inheritance rights and the partner got the say
in medical decision rather than the family.
Basically it's all a semi liberal mess.
In which case, it sounds like the BBC calling this "child support" is complete bullshit. This is just money awarded two parties who were financially damaged by the doctor's negligence.
Yeah, I find it hard to be perturbed by this. If it had been called "malpractice" and had been a lump sum, nobody would've even blinked.
But that doesn't move papers.
I don't think anyone except the prolifers debate wrongful birth suits in the US. If parents who come in for tests to determine whether or not the fetus is doing fine are told that the fetus is, in fact, doing fine, and the fetus instead is developing into a lifelong drain on their finances due to medical problems that should have been readily apparent thanks to those tests they paid you for, well...that sort of thing is kind of the whole reason we have malpractice insurance.
This baby is pretty lucky his/her/it's mommy has a pretty crafty lawyer.
This is also, coincidentally, an argument for legalizing infanticide. Sometimes the ones you don't want get through.
No, it's somewhat tangential. It's related to the burden of wrongful birth, which would be significantly less were the family allowed to kill the baby (which doctors already do in some cases--for example, often if a Downs Baby has an intestinal blockage they'll refrain from performing what would otherwise be a routine operation to save it).
Edit: not to derail, it was just the first thing that sprung to mind. I've had to do readings on this.