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Israel declares ceasefire, Hamas declares ceasefire
Forgive me if I'm way off base here but can they really do that when they provoked the attack and have been getting the shit kicked out of them for three weeks?
Can Israel, in the eyes of the world community and press, even consider not honouring the ceasefire and just press on?
I mean they would never do that, and aren't, but what will be the fallout from this? If Hamas launches another rocket once the ceasefire is over doesn't that give israel a monumental amount of political ammunition for an even larger campaign to wipe em out?
Because of the cyclic nature of the gaza attacks israel would be justified in pursuiing a complete solution, ie the end of hamas.
Forgive me if I'm way off base here but can they really do that when they provoked the attack and have been getting the shit kicked out of them for three weeks?
Can Israel, in the eyes of the world community and press, even consider not honouring the ceasefire and just press on?
I mean they would never do that, and aren't, but what will be the fallout from this? If Hamas launches another rocket once the ceasefire is over doesn't that give israel a monumental amount of political ammunition for an even larger campaign to wipe em out?
Because of the cyclic nature of the gaza attacks israel would be justified in pursuiing a complete solution, ie the end of hamas.
Global opinion will favor Hamas regardless, because of how much smaller they are. No matter how justified Israel might be in an attack (speaking of hypotheticals here) it will ALWAYS end up looking like overkill, simply becauswe Hamas has zero defensive capabilities.
Also, global opinion likes to shit on Israel. What other nation would you here anyone say of "Well, yeah, they're being hit by rockets, but those rockets really haven't killed THAT MANY people yet, so they should just ignore the rockets."
But doesn't there come a point when Israel is simply going to say 'fuck this, it's on' and completely go full scale against Gaza.
I mean that's what a lot of people thought this was until the ceasefire.
If they did, would anyone really meaningfully stand up to them? Genuine question, middle-eastern politics is not my specialty.
Surely by not going through with their goals they have merely increased the situation to a point of open warfare masked by a ceasefire treaty. Unless they complete the deal and end Hamas haven't they just made things worse?
Sure it is overwhelming force, but given the option, overwhelming force is always the best way to go, from a military standing. Politically of course you can't really deal with 1200 dead civilians. But then again it didn't stop America and Britain in Iraq with 120,000 instead?
Do you think Israel just needs to be a bit more open with the UN about its stated goals and grievances, or should they go all Putin on their asses and bomb the fuck out of Gaza in the same way Russia steamrolled Georgia.
I was very careful not to infer any ethnic cleansing connotations. Don't try to pull holocaust from 'complete solution'. It was clear I was talking about a military and political end to the conflict. Hamas is a political group not an ethnic group. Any 'solution' against them would not be analogous at all to the Nazi 'final solution'.
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
So what is it about Jews that has gotten everyone so riled up over the last several thousand years?
well christians are sore that they killed jesus
i don't know what the muslims problem is
The jews killed jesus argument is a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid argument.
1) Romans Killed Jesus
2) If 3 Jews Killed Jesus does that mean ALL the Jews killed Jesus
3) Jesus was Jewish
4) Where would your religion be if Jesus didn't die?
5) Haven't you read the bible... Jesus was a pretty forgiving guy... so even if you did somehow come to the conclusion that the Jews were to blame for the death of Jesus, shouldn't you forgive them?
6) Google Chrome says jesus is a misspelling of jess... maybe teh googlez killed Jesus
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
I realize this. My point is that the measure of curtailing Hamas, which has done a great deal of direct good for the Palestinian people, does not move towards a solution in Gaza
So what is it about Jews that has gotten everyone so riled up over the last several thousand years?
They've managed to sustain an ethnic and cultural identity for several thousand years despite being kicked out of their homeland and systematically persecuted, segregated, and murdered.
there was a time when hamas didn't represent the people
and there will be a time when hamas no longer represents the people
another group that'll end up being even more radical (if that's possible) will show up and fire even more rockets and some israelis will be all "see they cannot be trusted to maintain a government!" when really Israel ain't exactly encouraging positive social growth
So what is it about Jews that has gotten everyone so riled up over the last several thousand years?
well christians are sore that they killed jesus
i don't know what the muslims problem is
The jews killed jesus argument is a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid argument.
1) Romans Killed Jesus
2) If 3 Jews Killed Jesus does that mean ALL the Jews killed Jesus
3) Jesus was Jewish
4) Where would your religion be if Jesus didn't die?
5) Haven't you read the bible... Jesus was a pretty forgiving guy... so even if you did somehow come to the conclusion that the Jews were to blame for the death of Jesus, shouldn't you forgive them?
6) Google Chrome says jesus is a misspelling of jess... maybe teh googlez killed Jesus
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
I realize this. My point is that the measure of curtailing Hamas, which has done a great deal of direct good for the Palestinian people, does not move towards a solution in Gaza
a lot of terrorists do good things for the people that support them
doesn't make them less terroristic though
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
I realize this. My point is that the measure of curtailing Hamas, which has done a great deal of direct good for the Palestinian people, does not move towards a solution in Gaza
Hamas doing good for Palestinians is one thing. Hamas sending suicide bombers into crowded Israeli marketplaces and firing rockets into their cities is another one altogether. Israel wasn't looking for a solution in Gaza. They were looking to kill the idiots who kept trying to kill them.
What happens after Hamas is destroyed and the ethnic minority has no representation in either Gaza or Israel now that they've banned arab political parties
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
I realize this. My point is that the measure of curtailing Hamas, which has done a great deal of direct good for the Palestinian people, does not move towards a solution in Gaza
a lot of terrorists do good things for the people that support them
doesn't make them less terroristic though
no but it makes them another man's freedom fighter.
Israel should take a moment to stop being the bad guy and try to help out occasionally is all I am suggesting. I don't see how this disarmament is going to save Israeli lives. I really doubt the arms trade is going to suddenly stop and missile strikes are now old news.
So what is it about Jews that has gotten everyone so riled up over the last several thousand years?
the fact that they aren't Christian or Muslim?
I said several thousands years.
edit: I have my time lines mixed up a bit, but I'm pretty sure the jewrage predates christianity.
Well, the Jews used to kick lots of ass. God said "those people offend me, go take them out" and the Jews said "Thank you for rescuing us from the lands of Egypt" and the people died.
Then stuff happened and a big wind blew the Jews all over the land. People started to be all "What the fuck are these non-[people who lived in the land] doing living in this land. But the jews said "It's ok... we're cool. What do you need done, we'll do it" And some of the people said "Hey we need this" and the jews did it.
Then chrisitanity showed up and said MWAWAWAWRSFRAWASAGA
The roman empire fell, but not before making Christianity the go to religion of the land.
The jews were then all "But what about us" and the Christians said... My city has a little corner... you can live there, but shit! There are things I need to do in my city, but my religion won't let me do it. And the jews were all like "Oh fuck yeah... I can do this stuff" time went on, and people forgot about how they were all living peacefully. And then if something bad happened, instead of maybe taking responsibility the powers that be said "Hey, I know shit be going bad and all... instead of taking responsibility, let's blame it on the guys living in the corner of our cities who got rich off all the things we're not allowed to do"
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not sure why everyone hates jews so much
woo they're really successful, let's hate them
black were hated too!
big dicked people unite
When Israel fucks something up in Gaza-its unfortunate collateral damage
a
complete
solution?
every other idea gets more and more retarded by the minute
I want to support our raptor squads in the middle east
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to support the war
But doesn't there come a point when Israel is simply going to say 'fuck this, it's on' and completely go full scale against Gaza.
I mean that's what a lot of people thought this was until the ceasefire.
If they did, would anyone really meaningfully stand up to them? Genuine question, middle-eastern politics is not my specialty.
Surely by not going through with their goals they have merely increased the situation to a point of open warfare masked by a ceasefire treaty. Unless they complete the deal and end Hamas haven't they just made things worse?
Sure it is overwhelming force, but given the option, overwhelming force is always the best way to go, from a military standing. Politically of course you can't really deal with 1200 dead civilians. But then again it didn't stop America and Britain in Iraq with 120,000 instead?
Do you think Israel just needs to be a bit more open with the UN about its stated goals and grievances, or should they go all Putin on their asses and bomb the fuck out of Gaza in the same way Russia steamrolled Georgia.
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but probably because nobody gives a shit about georgia in the first place
I was very careful not to infer any ethnic cleansing connotations. Don't try to pull holocaust from 'complete solution'. It was clear I was talking about a military and political end to the conflict. Hamas is a political group not an ethnic group. Any 'solution' against them would not be analogous at all to the Nazi 'final solution'.
The israelis, having been holocausted, have seven decades to holocaust someone else (and their time is almost up)
the question is, when the surviving palestinians go off and make their own state, who will they holocaust?
New Zealand?
You're pretty dumb, aren't you.
well christians are sore that they killed jesus
i don't know what the muslims problem is
I could ask you again, but im' not sure you'd get the point this time either
That's hardly a holocaust at all
the spanish would call it, "el holocaustito"
the fact that they aren't Christian or Muslim?
I said several thousands years.
edit: I have my time lines mixed up a bit, but I'm pretty sure the jewrage predates christianity.
Youcallthisabagel? Syndrome
Hamas isn't the only political party in Palestine.
Arab political parties were banned in Israel only, not in Palestine.
Minorities don't have to have their own political party to be represented. Do you think black people and mexicans have to have their own political parties too?
The jews killed jesus argument is a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid argument.
1) Romans Killed Jesus
2) If 3 Jews Killed Jesus does that mean ALL the Jews killed Jesus
3) Jesus was Jewish
4) Where would your religion be if Jesus didn't die?
5) Haven't you read the bible... Jesus was a pretty forgiving guy... so even if you did somehow come to the conclusion that the Jews were to blame for the death of Jesus, shouldn't you forgive them?
6) Google Chrome says jesus is a misspelling of jess... maybe teh googlez killed Jesus
I realize this. My point is that the measure of curtailing Hamas, which has done a great deal of direct good for the Palestinian people, does not move towards a solution in Gaza
Jesus is a proper name, and thus is capitalized in English.
They've managed to sustain an ethnic and cultural identity for several thousand years despite being kicked out of their homeland and systematically persecuted, segregated, and murdered.
Other nations look at them as a challenge.
and there will be a time when hamas no longer represents the people
another group that'll end up being even more radical (if that's possible) will show up and fire even more rockets and some israelis will be all "see they cannot be trusted to maintain a government!" when really Israel ain't exactly encouraging positive social growth
Is Jesus still Jewish?
a lot of terrorists do good things for the people that support them
doesn't make them less terroristic though
Hamas doing good for Palestinians is one thing. Hamas sending suicide bombers into crowded Israeli marketplaces and firing rockets into their cities is another one altogether. Israel wasn't looking for a solution in Gaza. They were looking to kill the idiots who kept trying to kill them.
no but it makes them another man's freedom fighter.
Israel should take a moment to stop being the bad guy and try to help out occasionally is all I am suggesting. I don't see how this disarmament is going to save Israeli lives. I really doubt the arms trade is going to suddenly stop and missile strikes are now old news.
Well, the Jews used to kick lots of ass. God said "those people offend me, go take them out" and the Jews said "Thank you for rescuing us from the lands of Egypt" and the people died.
Then stuff happened and a big wind blew the Jews all over the land. People started to be all "What the fuck are these non-[people who lived in the land] doing living in this land. But the jews said "It's ok... we're cool. What do you need done, we'll do it" And some of the people said "Hey we need this" and the jews did it.
Then chrisitanity showed up and said MWAWAWAWRSFRAWASAGA
The roman empire fell, but not before making Christianity the go to religion of the land.
The jews were then all "But what about us" and the Christians said... My city has a little corner... you can live there, but shit! There are things I need to do in my city, but my religion won't let me do it. And the jews were all like "Oh fuck yeah... I can do this stuff" time went on, and people forgot about how they were all living peacefully. And then if something bad happened, instead of maybe taking responsibility the powers that be said "Hey, I know shit be going bad and all... instead of taking responsibility, let's blame it on the guys living in the corner of our cities who got rich off all the things we're not allowed to do"
and so the Christians stared kicking jew ass!
THE END