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Understanding Philosophy

MimMim dead.Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Recently I took up an art class for an art requirement called Art and Society that deals more with philosophy than art (it seems all the drawing classes I wanted to take were reserved exclusively for art students...). So We're reading Plato, Kant, Deleuze and Guattari (who are covering Kafka), Neitzsche, and Aristotle and some guy named Heiddgher (sp?) and the teacher said the readings will be difficult.

Is there a way to make this easier? Or is it simply going to be a lot of re-reading? Any tips from philosophy majors/minors?

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Realize that unlike normal reading, philosophy work (varies depending on the author) will require you to re-read and go a bit more carefully no matter how fast or comprehensive a reader you are.

    One thing that helps me before broaching a new work is doing a bit of research on the context behind it. What was going on in history/philosophy/science/for that philosopher in particular. Though this may not be as necessary because I'm assuming your class is only going to approach those philosophers' views on art and the value of the aesthetic. Either way, it's helpful.

    But yeah, unless you want to get into some secondary reading the best thing I can tell you is to read very carefully with a highlighter in hand. Mark that shit up, and when you're done, go back and review the salient points and it should help you get an impression of the work as a whole.

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  • supabeastsupabeast Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    • Find recent translations. A bad textbook might be using nineteenth-century translations written by stodgy academics who wanted them to be hard to read. Independent leftist bookstores will help here.
    • Podcasts! There are some great philosophy podcasts on iTunes, sift through for relevant material.

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  • MimMim dead.Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Oh I bought the recent (and surprisingly not that expensive) books today from the book store. Would using wikipedia to get background information help? Today we read a piece by Plato talking about how art should be banned from the republic and while I understood a lot of parts of what was said, but some things were still a bit fuzzy. Then the teacher said the readings were only going to get tougher from here, so I felt mildly secure knowing I at least understood a majority of the major points but I don't want to be blind sided later during the semester.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    All of those authors have had significant numbers of books written about them. I bet your school library carries a bunch of books analyzing their writings and putting them in context. Failing that, Wikipedia isn't a bad resource. It will help you understand the basic background each philosopher came from, anyway.

    Really, your best bet is to hit the library. There are probably tons primers for each author, especially the ancients like Plato and Aristotle.

    The readings will definitely get much harder, but none of them are trying to confuse the reader. They all try to explain very complicated ideas as best they can. With careful rereading, you should be fine.

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  • ConceptConcept Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    A technique that always helped me a lot was to write down the structure of the arguments - I think this is reasonably common practice anyway.

    What you're reading are logical, reasoned arguments so you should be able to simplify them to a few basic points. The basic idea is to set up a few premises that, if you accept them as true, must lead to a true conclusion. So:

    P1: All triangles are green
    P2: X is a triangle
    C: X is green

    You can then take that conclusion and use it as a premise for further points. Whilst it doesn't work for everyone, or every reading, this is a great way of not only understanding a lot of the texts you'll be dealing with but also finding flaws and issues in the reasoning when it's time to write essays or study for exams.

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Wikipedia is okay, but Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is infinitely better.

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  • NatanekoNataneko Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I found philosophy really hard at first. I'm a fast reader, and it took me some time to get used to re-reading the same thing again and again to be able to understand.

    another thing that helped me was to realise that I didn't have to think the same way as a philosopher to understand him/her (because for some reason I tought "hey Socrates is suposed to be a great philosopher, I am a great person, I probably think the same!!) that may be "duh" for you, but it helped me a great deal!

    I also found the older philosopher to be way harder for me to understand than more recent 20th century one. at first glance Plato would seem easier to read than Heidegger, but I found Heidegger easier to understand.

    Edit: I should probably add that my second philosphy teacher was awesome at making anyone understand philosophy. Whenever you have trouble understanding something, your teacher should be there to help, ask question if you're not sure! also try to explain some concept to friends to help you see where your understanding is weak.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    honestly, I couldn't understand a fucking thing in one philosophy class I took. I didnt know what the text meant, I didnt know what the teacher was saying, and I didn't even understand the questions the other students were asking him.

    Reading shit on the net that explained these texts in summarized plain english saved my life.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'll repeat what Unknown Saint said. In general, don't trust Wikipedia when it comes to philosophy. It will lead you astray in far too many cases.

    Instead, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is an incredible resource (although it is still a work in progress and has far too many TBA articles), and the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy is also pretty good.

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  • MimMim dead.Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanks for all the suggestions thus far. I don't want to do too much reading, but just something to help the process along. I am taking an English course, third world history course and a geology course on top of this class so spare reading and even supplemental reading must be kept light and at a minimum. I got an academic warning last semester so I'm trying to get back to my comfortable GPA and then some. So I just want to keep it light :D

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  • supabeastsupabeast Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Something I forgot to add: if philosophy seems confusing don’t assume you’re an idiot. The real problem is that philosophers are often pretentious wankers. They can’t write for shit and indulge in run-on sentences so convoluted that one can forget the beginning before reaching the end. So no matter how frustrating it gets, remember, it isn’t your fault.

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    supabeast wrote: »
    Something I forgot to add: if philosophy seems confusing don’t assume you’re an idiot. The real problem is that philosophers are often pretentious wankers. They can’t write for shit and indulge in run-on sentences so convoluted that one can forget the beginning before reaching the end. So no matter how frustrating it gets, remember, it isn’t your fault.

    I don't think 'pretentious wankers' is the reason philosophy texts are difficult to read, a lot of it is simply because it takes a lot of words and time to articulate sophisticated ideas. Even so, some philosophers simply weren't that great as writers and that's part of the reason for it, but honestly it's sort of insulting to say that it's because they're indulging some elitism. Philosophers WANT to be read and understood.

    On that note, it helps to know the general sort of timeline of philosophers and philosophical movements, because a lot of works will reference the more important works of the big name philosophers just before their time.

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  • HikkinsHikkins Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm finishing up a philosophy degree, and I'll mirror some of the aforementioned posts in here. Some philosophers are notoriously hard to read, and it will really have very little to do with your own inability.

    As far as help learning their works goes, there are a lot of companion guides to different philosophers out there. Routledge publishes a number of guides on different philosophers, and they're a great place to start learning from, and are generally written in a lot more comprehensible way than the original texts. All the Routledge guide books follow the same title format of being 'Routledge Guide to (philosopher's name)'

    After I get an idea of what the philosopher is trying to get at, I then take a stab at reading the original text. It really helps you to understand what they're trying to say if you already have an informed view of what they're trying to get at.

    But anyway, don't despair, the philosophers you've listed are some of the hardest ones I've had to get to grips with, they're all terrible writers. But I guarantee there are tons of sources you can use that will explain their ideas better.

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