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Business cards on the cheap?

yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
So, I'm broke as hell. While searching for a real job to get some pocket cash, I've also been pushing my photography. One big issue I've run into is promoting it. It's easy to talk to someone and tell them I'm starting to go pro, it's not easy for them to read my chicken-scratch handwriting or memorize my email or something.

Hence, business cards. I don't know what's good, what's bad, or where to look for a good deal. Which is where you come in. Where can I get some good business cards(double sided, color setup), and where can I get something really cheap? Bonus points if these intersect.

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  • wmelonwmelon Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Last time I looked, Kinkos is pretty cheap.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Don't suppose you'd know an average price? I can't find anything on their site.

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  • SheriSheri Resident Fluffer My Living RoomRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Hey yal

    You should definitely ask in the photo thread

    BUT

    I found a great site, just bought a set of minicards from them (they're the length of business cards, but about half the height), they are awesome and adorable and the card stock is great

    They let you do two-sided cards for both business and mini cards -- photo on one side, words/logo on the other

    And here's my favorite part

    Each card can have a different photo -- up to 50/set for business cards and 100/set of mini cards

    Both are about $20 (50 business cards or 100 mini cards)

    (they also make photo stickers oh god I love my stickers)

    moo.com

    If you use them, I have a promo code that gets you 20% off your first order and gets me some swank credit.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    FedEX Kinkos is about $80 for 500 cards with color, less if you do black and white.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Sheri wrote: »
    Hey yal

    You should definitely ask in the photo thread

    BUT

    I found a great site, just bought a set of minicards from them (they're the length of business cards, but about half the height), they are awesome and adorable and the card stock is great

    They let you do two-sided cards for both business and mini cards -- photo on one side, words/logo on the other

    And here's my favorite part

    Each card can have a different photo -- up to 50/set for business cards and 100/set of mini cards

    Both are about $20 (50 business cards or 100 mini cards)

    (they also make photo stickers oh god I love my stickers)

    moo.com

    If you use them, I have a promo code that gets you 20% off your first order and gets me some swank credit.

    Yeah, I've known about moo for a while. They're awesome, but when I can get something from Vista Print or some other more general site at like a tenth of the cost, it doesn't add up.

    Really, I think what I need more is a place that lets me do a smaller set. I could wrangle together $5 for 100, or $10 for 250 way more easily than $20 for 50/100/500/whatever.

    EDIT: Woops, misremembered Vista Print's prices. They're actually 20 for 250, not 500.

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  • SheriSheri Resident Fluffer My Living RoomRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    Sheri wrote: »
    Hey yal

    You should definitely ask in the photo thread

    BUT

    I found a great site, just bought a set of minicards from them (they're the length of business cards, but about half the height), they are awesome and adorable and the card stock is great

    They let you do two-sided cards for both business and mini cards -- photo on one side, words/logo on the other

    And here's my favorite part

    Each card can have a different photo -- up to 50/set for business cards and 100/set of mini cards

    Both are about $20 (50 business cards or 100 mini cards)

    (they also make photo stickers oh god I love my stickers)

    moo.com

    If you use them, I have a promo code that gets you 20% off your first order and gets me some swank credit.

    Yeah, I've known about moo for a while. They're awesome, but when I can get something from Vista Print or some other more general site at like a tenth of the cost, it doesn't add up.

    Really, I think what I need more is a place that lets me do a smaller set. I could wrangle together $5 for 100, or $10 for 250 way more easily than $20 for 50/100/500/whatever.

    EDIT: Woops, misremembered Vista Print's prices. They're actually 20 for 250, not 500.

    Wow. Everyone I've talked to about my cards and shown them to has thought the prices were pretty damn good.

    If you're looking for that cheap, I'm not sure the kind of quality you're going to get.

    But good luck!

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Well, it's more just that I'd like to be able to get just a handful and pass those out, then use the results to save up for a big order. Everyone wants you to buy like 50 or 100 or 250 or 500, and nobody's got the infrastructure for me to just buy 10 or 20 at a time. Which is frustrating, honestly.

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Keep an eye on sites like slickdeals.net and dealnews.com for staples sales. On occasion they offer 250 cards for like $5 shipped.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Best bet then is to use Publisher or CorelDraw/Illustrator and make a layout for a card, duplicate them to use up the page, and print out some on cardstock. That's the only other way you can go.

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  • A BearA Bear Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If there are still any local paper or print shops around your area, I would try asking them and seeing if you can get a deal on a small print run with the potential to grow when things pick up. At the law firm I interned at we switched from Kinkos to a mom-and-pop place because at times we just needed a few of something or something really specific, and they always seemed more inclined to help us out then point to their pricing/quantity board. You will end up paying more per unit probably, though.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Try VistaPrint. My wife and I got some "Hey, we moved!" type business cards and they were pretty inexpensive and don't look cheap.

    Actually, they will print you 250 cards for free...I think that's what we did. Can't be cheaper than free!

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Try VistaPrint. My wife and I got some "Hey, we moved!" type business cards and they were pretty inexpensive and don't look cheap.

    Actually, they will print you 250 cards for free...I think that's what we did. Can't be cheaper than free!

    You know, I'd completely forgotten about their free cards option. Guess I'll go with that, then. Not perfect, but a good stopgap. :)

    Thanks.

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  • TigressTigress Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I ended up buying a color laser printer off eBay. I found a Word template online and used it to make my own cards. Printed them on cardstock and cut them myself.

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  • WheezerWheezer Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I've actually seen the cards these guys make, and their UV laminated cards are very nice for the price. I think they too ask for a minimum of 100 but the prices are very reasonable.

    http://www.cnapromotions.com/

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    I hate to be an ass, but how much did your camera cost? Or one of the lenses? Or one photographic print?

    I get that you're broke, but $20 for 100 cards with variable photographic imagery on one side should be a no-brainer marketing investment for a photographer to make.

    I mean, I work in print. We do small run, high quality print. I look at moo.com and pretty much think 'Game over, man'.

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  • Lord MaloryLord Malory Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Kinkos is CRAP.

    Utter, complete and total Garbage. It's a waste of money, as there is no quality control between stores, etc. This is what we do at my organization (I'm a non-profit, we have lots of different consultants/fundraisers, etc. coming in and out, and its a small staff so we don't "order" business cards for them because its inconvenient, a time-sink, and they usually dont use all of them):

    Use Avery professional business cards for either Inkjet or laserjet.

    Most Avery products (you can get them at Office Depot - non-glossy is usually best for self-printing) can be found at office depot for around 20-30 dollars for 250-500 cards. They are also a paper format already built into most late Office packages. Use word, select the avery paper template, design the cards. import jpgs onto the cards ,etc.

    get access to a good printer (you can use kinko's here...just use your own paper) - and print them out.

    If you dont like how they look, change them. They can also be changed for each circumstance - maybe you want a portrait photograper business card, maybe a wedding photographer business card. It allows you the versatility and the ability to modify your design. Its a little more expensive that kinko's itself, but you are guaranteed more quality control and the quality of the card itself is identical, if not better, than the card stock provided at large printing stores like kinkos as opposed to a small, boutique shop which will be more expensive than you need at this point.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I hate to be an ass, but how much did your camera cost? Or one of the lenses? Or one photographic print?

    I get that you're broke, but $20 for 100 cards with variable photographic imagery on one side should be a no-brainer marketing investment for a photographer to make.

    I mean, I work in print. We do small run, high quality print. I look at moo.com and pretty much think 'Game over, man'.

    No current job, no current source of income, nobody I can ask to borrow money from. The gear was all gotten during happier times when the money flowed more freely.

    In short, I'm an idiot.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    Ok, but the first $20 you make, you invest in some decent business cards, k?

    Well, maybe buy some food or something first, then some decent business cards.

    What's your plan anyway? Are you going to hire your services? For weddings etc. or for marketing or something? Or are you just going to sell prints directly? There are a lot of ways you can turn that Flickr gallery into steady income online. Ways that don't even need business cards.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Portraits, general event stuff, and crazy really creative stuff, with prints and products on the side as I can afford to produce them and get them out there.

    Building a blog and the like as well to further get my name out there, and various other things, of course.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Me and Lewie bought some pre-perforated business card blanks and just used publisher for his business cards - but they were just black text on white, they looked good, though. I did my own the same way, but just on card, then I cut them to size with a paper cutter - they are in colour and work fine.

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  • DjCalvinDjCalvin MARegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    My Wife's company (graphics deisgn firm) goes through gotprint.com for cards.
    Cheaaap.. and the quality is outstanding.
    http://gotprint.net/g/showStaticPage.do?page=business_cards_pricing.html

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    So, I'm broke as hell. While searching for a real job to get some pocket cash, I've also been pushing my photography. One big issue I've run into is promoting it. It's easy to talk to someone and tell them I'm starting to go pro, it's not easy for them to read my chicken-scratch handwriting or memorize my email or something.

    Hence, business cards. I don't know what's good, what's bad, or where to look for a good deal. Which is where you come in. Where can I get some good business cards(double sided, color setup), and where can I get something really cheap? Bonus points if these intersect.

    Check out a local print shop, and they should be able to set you up. Depending on what you're looking for, and the number of cards you want, the price will vary wildly. At least at my job, you can get 250 basic black text cards with a stock logo for about $30. 500 for about $37.

    If you're looking for a more detailed, full color, two sided job, then it's going to be harder to give you a price. For designing and setting up the card, you'd be looking at anywhere between $20-75, depending on the level of complexity, and then for printing you can get 100 cards for about $40. And of course, the more cards you get, the lower per-piece your cost gets.

    If you do any design work yourself, you can save a lot on the front end by designing the cards yourself. But check with where you'll be getting them printed for the specs they need. I get a lot of people that design their own cards with a bleed, but only extend the artwork to the crops, while the printing process can shift each individual piece of paper as much as an eighth of an inch, resulting in white strips on the edges of their cards.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    Well, it's more just that I'd like to be able to get just a handful and pass those out, then use the results to save up for a big order. Everyone wants you to buy like 50 or 100 or 250 or 500, and nobody's got the infrastructure for me to just buy 10 or 20 at a time. Which is frustrating, honestly.

    The problem is 95% of the printer's cost is in design and the time it takes to get everything set-up and ready to print and then cut out. 10 or 20 cards is only 2-3 pieces of paper, depending on the layout. At that point, running another 10 pages, or even 100 pages isn't a significant cost on our end.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    Well, it's more just that I'd like to be able to get just a handful and pass those out, then use the results to save up for a big order. Everyone wants you to buy like 50 or 100 or 250 or 500, and nobody's got the infrastructure for me to just buy 10 or 20 at a time. Which is frustrating, honestly.

    The problem is 95% of the printer's cost is in design and the time it takes to get everything set-up and ready to print and then cut out. 10 or 20 cards is only 2-3 pieces of paper, depending on the layout. At that point, running another 10 pages, or even 100 pages isn't a significant cost on our end.

    Depends on if it's digital or litho. Litho has a high initial set-up cost with reduced unit costs the larger the run whilst digital has a basically insignificant setup cost but with little or no reduction in unit costs for larger runs. But even digital printers are likely to have a minimum cost before they bother lifting a finger, for the ones we use it's around £30.

    With business cards, they don't take up a whole lot of sheet space anyway, so even on an SRA3 digital printer if you're printing one card you're going to get about 16+ cards on a single sheet so if you're paying a minimum cost anyway you might as well run 50 or so sheets and come away with a large stack of business cards.

    Places like moo.com are probably digital printers who are batch printing the cards, so they aren't filling an entire sheet with just your card, they'll run a sheet with 16 different customer's cards on it and you end up sharing that minimum cost between those 16 customers.

    The only way you'll get that quality at a lower price is if you become a middle man - negotiate a deal with a digital printer for say 50 sheets, full colour both sides for maybe $50 or something and then go out and find 15 other people who want a batch of business cards printed, sell them 50 cards each for $10, fill the run with their cards plus yours, ???, profit.

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Check out printpelican, I believe they were about $20 for 500 full colour, $40 if you want both sides. But they've got UV coating and stuff. I just got some samples today and they're great quality. Hell, if you want to go really cheap, print pelican will give you 500 free full colour business cards, you just pay shipping and handling, but they have to have their logo on the back, not very professional but its an option I suppose.

    Under no circumstances go to staples - they are the biggest joke of a print center ever. Completely unknowledgeable, and typically they're more than willing to put people from other departments who have never worked a copier before in there.

    I'd say either go online, or find somewhere local, you'll get better price, better quality, less hassle.

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