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So, not that anyone cares, but the impeachment trial for Illinois Governor Blagojevich is underway. They have played FBI types which indicates corruption going on. My BIG question: why are we making such a big deal of this? The rest of our Government does the same shit everyday, and yet the stars align on an unlucky bastard and he (or she) gets media attention- which suddenly makes this an unusual and startling event. I feel Nixon was victim to the same sort of treatment.
Not that I feel government corruption is ever a good event, or anything like that.
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My BIG question: why are we making such a big deal of this? The rest of our Government does the same shit everyday, and yet the stars align on an unlucky bastard and he (or she) gets media attention- which suddenly makes this an unusual and startling event. I feel Nixon was victim to the same sort of treatment.
Not that I feel government corruption is ever a good event, or anything like that.
Because measures of accountability in government are largely superficial, whether punitive or regulatory policy. Citizens would have to actually be vigilant of their government to enforce real accountability. Ain't gonna happen. Top Chef is on.
I guarantee if that we bothered to pursue any investigation into our more illustrious politicians we will find some reason to impeach them. It's the selective enforcement of the rules that bothers me.
Because measures of accountability in government are largely superficial, whether punitive or regulatory policy. Citizens would have to actually be vigilant of their government to enforce real accountability. Ain't gonna happen. Top Chef is on.
Yep, and yep. That's what makes me so frustrated.
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uh it's a big deal because he's an arrogant douchebag who basically brought the state government to a standstill for four years?
because he knew he was under investigation and still ran his mouth about selling senate seats?
because he's batshit insane?
I get the feeling that this wouldn't be more than a blip if Obama wasn't a senator of Illinois before his ascension to the Presidency.
uh well becuase obama vacated that seat, he was able to do this so I guess you're half right, but if you don't think a governor being brought up on criminal charges wouldn't be a big deal regardless, well...
I guarantee if that we bothered to pursue any investigation into our more illustrious politicians we will find some reason to impeach them. It's the selective enforcement of the rules that bothers me.
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That's what makes me so frustrated.
No use in getting upset. Might as well just off yourself.
My BIG question: why are we making such a big deal of this? The rest of our Government does the same shit everyday, and yet the stars align on an unlucky bastard and he (or she) gets media attention- which suddenly makes this an unusual and startling event. I feel Nixon was victim to the same sort of treatment.
Not that I feel government corruption is ever a good event, or anything like that.
Because measures of accountability in government are largely superficial, whether punitive or regulatory policy. Citizens would have to actually be vigilant of their government to enforce real accountability. Ain't gonna happen. Top Chef is on.
Looks like we got ourselves a 15 year old MASTER POLITICIAN up ins, folks
The rest of our Government does the same shit everyday.
Oh excuse me I'm sorry make that two master politicians
I mean Dubh you're generally a solid guy but seriously?
Selling Senate seats for cold, hard cash? Yeah there's corruption in this world -- there always will be! But people gotta draw lines man and this is some of the most flagrant shit a dude can pull. It is nothing if not beyond the pale and beyond the norm.
the dude should have the book thrown at him for the simple fact that he's a stupid criminal
if you're going to be a crooked politician, at least be smart enough to cover up your activities
but if you get caught, fuck yes you should be hung out to dry
I really hate this attitude that what he did was ok because other people are clever enough to get away with it
I'm not talking about being or Illinois. I'm talking about the circus this whole thing has become (and from what I understand, Illinois is pretty bad concerning corrupted officials, which would make this even less of a big deal). Blagodvich (or however it's spelled) being as crazy as he is, granted, makes it that much worse in the spotlight.
Edit: Yes, this Governor should get the book thrown at him. And Name' did catch a flaw in my statement. Similar is a more accurate word.
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the dude should have the book thrown at him for the simple fact that he's a stupid criminal
if you're going to be a crooked politician, at least be smart enough to cover up your activities
but if you get caught, fuck yes you should be hung out to dry
I really hate this attitude that what he did was ok because other people are clever enough to get away with it
Also I am pretty sure no one else right now is getting away with shit this egregious, at least not on the scale of a fucking U.S. Senate seat.
I mean fuck even most of the corruption in the Bush administration was mostly out-in-the-open marginally legal but just unethical "Whaddya gonna do about it" kind of shit.
Our privacy is being diminished all the time (usually voluntarily), but that goes for politicians too. It'll be tough to sell Senate seats when anyone can pull up your live Google satellite feed and watch you beat off in your bathroom.
I'm not talking about being or Illinois. I'm talking about the circus this whole thing has become (and from what I understand, Illinois is pretty bad concerning corrupted officials, which would make this even less of a big deal). Blagodvich (or however it's spelled) being as crazy as he is, granted, makes it that much worse in the spotlight.
Blagojevich is definitely making it more of a spectacle by being completely insane, but selling a US Senate seat should and would always be a big deal. They are only 100 of the things in the entire country. They're among the most powerful people in the world. It is a big deal. Nothing about the coverage seems out of proportion, except that it is, like almost all modern media coverage, pretty facile.
I'm not talking about being or Illinois. I'm talking about the circus this whole thing has become (and from what I understand, Illinois is pretty bad concerning corrupted officials, which would make this even less of a big deal). Blagodvich (or however it's spelled) being as crazy as he is, granted, makes it that much worse in the spotlight.
Blagojevich is definitely making it more of a spectacle by being completely insane, but selling a US Senate seat should and would always be a big deal. They are only 100 of the things in the entire country. They're among the most powerful people in the world. It is a big deal. Nothing about the coverage seems out of proportion, except that it is, like almost all modern media coverage, pretty facile.
You summed a good part of my rage with just two words.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited January 2009
Yeah is your argument "all politicians are corrupt, why are we singling this guy out?"
Even if they all are corrupt, they aren't all stupid enough to get so blatantly caught with their pants down.
My BIG question: why are we making such a big deal of this? The rest of our Government does the same shit everyday, and yet the stars align on an unlucky bastard and he (or she) gets media attention- which suddenly makes this an unusual and startling event. I feel Nixon was victim to the same sort of treatment.
Not that I feel government corruption is ever a good event, or anything like that.
Because measures of accountability in government are largely superficial, whether punitive or regulatory policy. Citizens would have to actually be vigilant of their government to enforce real accountability. Ain't gonna happen. Top Chef is on.
Looks like we got ourselves a 15 year old MASTER POLITICIAN up ins, folks
(I know Annie is not actually 15)
I had to do welfare accountability when I worked for the government for three and a half years. I might have a pessimistic perspective on it.
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ZoelI suppose... I'd put it onRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
But the fact that he is so stupid is what makes it not as newsworthy.
It's not like the media has to unveil some complex plot involving biker gangs, secret codes, and swiss banks or that the guy's guilt is seriously in doubt or something. He caught redhanded within like, how long of Obama giving up the seat? Less than a month? The only news story is that he's not yet out of office.
stealth edit: FRANCO IS DEADDDD
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Wasn't his wife yelling "Fuck!" in the background of one of the wiretapped tapes?
I don't know about her yelling "fuck", but she was taking part in some of the wiretapped conversations, one specifically where she was encouraging the firing of a Tribune employee
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Because measures of accountability in government are largely superficial, whether punitive or regulatory policy. Citizens would have to actually be vigilant of their government to enforce real accountability. Ain't gonna happen. Top Chef is on.
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Death penalty.
because he knew he was under investigation and still ran his mouth about selling senate seats?
because he's batshit insane?
I get the feeling that this wouldn't be more than a blip if Obama wasn't a senator of Illinois before his ascension to the Presidency.
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he is the ballsyest motherfucker
Eh, I don't know about that. They hardly, if ever, even mention Obama when talking about this clown.
uh well becuase obama vacated that seat, he was able to do this so I guess you're half right, but if you don't think a governor being brought up on criminal charges wouldn't be a big deal regardless, well...
No use in getting upset. Might as well just off yourself.
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he invoked Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. while giving a speech that was supposed to be explaining his actions
he boycotted his own impeachment trial
he's getting attention because he's so goddamn entertaining
no, geebs is right
if you lived in illinois you'd know that nothing fucking got done here while he was in office
we have hardly progressed in those four years
blagojevich was always a douchebag that everyone hated, it's just that now we actually have a reason to kick him out of office
but
didn't the people of your state elect him
then did it again in november
to be fair, he did give us open road tolling
guess who else got elected twice
I take no responsibility for any of these crazy people, though
Looks like we got ourselves a 15 year old MASTER POLITICIAN up ins, folks
(I know Annie is not actually 15)
Oh excuse me I'm sorry make that two master politicians
I mean Dubh you're generally a solid guy but seriously?
Selling Senate seats for cold, hard cash? Yeah there's corruption in this world -- there always will be! But people gotta draw lines man and this is some of the most flagrant shit a dude can pull. It is nothing if not beyond the pale and beyond the norm.
if you're going to be a crooked politician, at least be smart enough to cover up your activities
but if you get caught, fuck yes you should be hung out to dry
I really hate this attitude that what he did was ok because other people are clever enough to get away with it
Edit: Yes, this Governor should get the book thrown at him. And Name' did catch a flaw in my statement. Similar is a more accurate word.
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Also I am pretty sure no one else right now is getting away with shit this egregious, at least not on the scale of a fucking U.S. Senate seat.
I mean fuck even most of the corruption in the Bush administration was mostly out-in-the-open marginally legal but just unethical "Whaddya gonna do about it" kind of shit.
Our privacy is being diminished all the time (usually voluntarily), but that goes for politicians too. It'll be tough to sell Senate seats when anyone can pull up your live Google satellite feed and watch you beat off in your bathroom.
Blagojevich is definitely making it more of a spectacle by being completely insane, but selling a US Senate seat should and would always be a big deal. They are only 100 of the things in the entire country. They're among the most powerful people in the world. It is a big deal. Nothing about the coverage seems out of proportion, except that it is, like almost all modern media coverage, pretty facile.
You summed a good part of my rage with just two words.
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Even if they all are corrupt, they aren't all stupid enough to get so blatantly caught with their pants down.
It's not like the media has to unveil some complex plot involving biker gangs, secret codes, and swiss banks or that the guy's guilt is seriously in doubt or something. He caught redhanded within like, how long of Obama giving up the seat? Less than a month? The only news story is that he's not yet out of office.
stealth edit: FRANCO IS DEADDDD
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the last time he was up for re-election I voted for his opponent
so
I don't know about her yelling "fuck", but she was taking part in some of the wiretapped conversations, one specifically where she was encouraging the firing of a Tribune employee