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Is this a scam? (Craiglist)

KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
edited February 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm trying to sell a couple of pieces of furniture (5 piece living room set) over craiglist, and I had someone emailing me asking about the dimensions, asking for more pics, and info. And now I get this:

Thanks for the prompt response i will instruct my Bank Officer to
mail(Tuesday Overnight) a certified Bank check,while you hold on my
behalf. Once you receive this, my mover's will come pick up at your
place.I will be needing the following information to issue outthe
payment . . .

1.Your full name
2.Your mailing address(Physical)....Not P.O.box
3.Your phone number

** Please note that the payment will be overnight to your address and
it will be delivered within 2 days.I have taken a close look at the AD
and am satisfied.I appreciate you saving this for me.Kindly delete the
posting as am definitely buying it from you and it would be sad for me
to have the payment in the mail only to be informed of the its sale.I
will also wait for the check to clear before i have my mover come for
the pick up

I never really sold furniture through craiglist, so is this common practice?

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    A good rule of thumb is if you think it's a scam, it's a scam.

    It's a scam.

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    noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Never take a check. More than likely, it won't be legit, and you there won't be much you can do about it.

    I would fuck with them, give them random name, address, everything, just to try to teach them a lesson

    Seriously, who buys furniture, even used one without inspecting it first?

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    The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm curious, because I've never used Craigslist; and after my last issue with Ebay (see my thread from a few days ago here), I'm looking into different options for selling my crap.

    What do you do for payment if you don't take a check. Straight up cash? Is craigslist mainly a local thing?

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    noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's a local thing period. I mean, I guess you could try to buy stuff and send them the check, and they send you the stuff, but most people that post/look at Craigslist do so with the knowledge they live in close proximity

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I know no person that ever uses the phrase Bank Officer. It's a scam.

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    supabeastsupabeast Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Whenever you sell on Craiglist demand payment in cash. Anyone who wants to do business any other way is going to rip you off.

    And get a counterfeit testing pen to use on the bills before you accept them!

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    Kate of LokysKate of Lokys Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Craigslist and its contemporaries (Kijiji, local newspaper-based classifieds, etc) should only ever be used for in-person transactions. Most of those sites spell that out explicitly; people don't listen because they get greedy ("Wow, this guy wants to pay me seventeen times what my item is actually worth, and all I need to do is ship it to Nigeria with the leftover money from this totally on-the-level third-party cheque!"), then they abandon their common sense, then they get scammed. Then they bitch about how scam-ridden all online commerce sites are.

    If you want to sell something on Craigslist, take clear pictures of it (don't just use stock photos from the internet), describe its condition accurately and with reasonable detail, be explicitly clear about any flaws or defects, and state your desired price up-front. When you get an email from somebody expressing interest in buying the item in-person for cash, email them back with more details. If you get any emails asking if you can ship the item somewhere else, or if they can send you a cheque for more than the required amount, or anything other than in-person with cash, ignore the email completely. If your item is priced fairly, you will get people wanting to buy it normally. If all you're getting are scammy offers, lower your price.

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    plantersplanters Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's a scam, I've been using craigslist to sell stuff for a few years and I've gotten my fair share of those emails.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's a scam. They will send you a cheque for more than what you've asked in the listing. They will then ask you for a money order with the difference, saying their accountant cut the wrong amount on the cheque.

    Their cheque won't go through with your bank, and you'll have already sent them a cheque with the difference.

    It's a common scam in used car selling.

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    BelruelBelruel NARUTO FUCKS Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    scaaaam. tell the guy to meet you in person and hand you the cash, or no sale

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    ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    A good rule of thumb is if you think it's a scam, it's a scam.

    It's a scam.

    this should be stickied and made as the go to for all " is this a scam " posts

    if you even have to ask, you shouldn't do the deal.

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanks for the info guys. I have emailed the guy telling him it's cash or nothing.

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    EinhanderEinhander __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Anything on craigslist that isn't cash is a scam.

    But, another thing to remember is you should be wary of bringing strange people into your house. Put stuff like laptops/mp3 players/Blu-Ray players/game consoles in your room or something in case the person who is stopping by to take a look at your furniture is just casing the place.

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    ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Einhander wrote: »
    Anything on craigslist that isn't cash is a scam.

    But, another thing to remember is you should be wary of bringing strange people into your house. Put stuff like laptops/mp3 players/Blu-Ray players/game consoles in your room or something in case the person who is stopping by to take a look at your furniture is just casing the place.

    Yeah if I was having people come over to look at furniture, I'd try put it in a garage or something if I could to keep people out of my house.

    Because thieves do use things like that to scope out possible targets.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Well everyone seems to think its a scam. I don't have any experience buying shit using services like craigslist or ebay, but if the dude cuts you a certified cheque, and you cash this and wait until the money clears before letting him take any of the goods, where in this situation are you getting scammed?

    Potentially you would get scammed with NSF/NCL type shit from cashing bad cheques right? Not if you make sure money clears with the bank before transferring any other funds or property.

    And the whole shit with Bank Officials or whatever... well generally if you are getting a certified cheque you gotta get the bank to issue it isn't this true? You would just have to be careful of him giving you a counterfeit cheque.

    Please, if I am talking pure bullshit someone correct me because I am not an expert. But it seems like this is how it would be to me.

    But yeah cash would be easier.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Not P.O.box

    Because Fedex/UPS can't deliver to P.O. boxes and using USPS would make his scam a federal offense which means he would go down hard.

    SCAM

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    Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The text of that message is eerily familiar, I think my girlfriend got hit by the same guy when she tried to sell a bed a while back.

    scam.


    scaa-aam.


    The next message will be "oh shits by bank officer accidentally made your check out for $5000 instead of $500, you need to send the rest back to me via western union or else I will contact the authorities"

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I guess the only way people get conned by this type of shit is if they are dumb enough to transfer money and property before they wait for the money to clear with their banks.

    Seriously, "transfer the money back to me immediately or I will contact the authorities!"

    "Yeah no problem buddy as soon as they money clears with the bank I'll transfer the money back to you. I will not expose myself to any level of risk by sending funds before the bank clears the money. The authorities will not have a problem with that."

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    BetelgeuseBetelgeuse Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Al_wat wrote: »
    "Yeah no problem buddy as soon as they money clears with the bank I'll transfer the money back to you. I will not expose myself to any level of risk by sending funds before the bank clears the money. The authorities will not have a problem with that."

    This does not work. The problem is that banks will typically clear the funds within a day or two, which is when Idiot Seller thinks it's okay to transfer the excess money back. Then two weeks later, the bank finally figures out that the check was fraudulent and they go after you to get all the money back. So no, you're not suddenly smart if you wait for the funds to clear. You don't accept checks of any kind, whether they be personal, cashier's, certified, or even money orders, period.

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    FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The text of that message is eerily familiar, I think my girlfriend got hit by the same guy when she tried to sell a bed a while back.

    scam.


    scaa-aam.


    The next message will be "oh shits by bank officer accidentally made your check out for $5000 instead of $500, you need to send the rest back to me via western union or else I will contact the authorities"

    That is how this scam works.

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    VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    "Bank Officer"?

    Not only is it a scam, but it's a particularly cheesy scam.

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    BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't even know what a bank officer is.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't even know what a bank officer is.

    I believe it is the official title for the Prince of Nigeria.

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    VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    LOL! Sentry, I fell out of my chair when I read that =) lol

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Betelgeuse wrote: »
    Al_wat wrote: »
    "Yeah no problem buddy as soon as they money clears with the bank I'll transfer the money back to you. I will not expose myself to any level of risk by sending funds before the bank clears the money. The authorities will not have a problem with that."

    This does not work. The problem is that banks will typically clear the funds within a day or two, which is when Idiot Seller thinks it's okay to transfer the excess money back. Then two weeks later, the bank finally figures out that the check was fraudulent and they go after you to get all the money back. So no, you're not suddenly smart if you wait for the funds to clear. You don't accept checks of any kind, whether they be personal, cashier's, certified, or even money orders, period.

    It really takes the bank that long to determine if its fraudulent? How long does a bank usually wait before they try to acquire the funds from the cheque issuer?

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    BetelgeuseBetelgeuse Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't know how long they wait to try to acquire funds, but yes, it really does take that long for them to realize it's fraudulent.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thats pretty lame.

    If you really need to get paid via a cheque and are concerned about making sure it goes through properly aren't there ways of guaranteeing its legit? Like for example you go with the guy to the bank and certify it there or something?

    Of course at this point with respect to the OP its clear you should not make the deal with the guy for anything less than cash.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Al_wat wrote: »
    Thats pretty lame.

    If you really need to get paid via a cheque and are concerned about making sure it goes through properly aren't there ways of guaranteeing its legit? Like for example you go with the guy to the bank and certify it there or something?

    Of course at this point with respect to the OP its clear you should not make the deal with the guy for anything less than cash.

    I'm not sure how you think the banking industry works, but you're way off. Banks releasing money are most often based on their relationship with the person cashing the check, not on the person issuing it.

    Which is why it takes longer for your checks to process with a new bank account then one you've had established for months or years. Typically, it takes at least two weeks for a bank of verify funds not drawn from its own institution.

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Einhander wrote: »
    Anything on craigslist that isn't cash is a scam.

    But, another thing to remember is you should be wary of bringing strange people into your house. Put stuff like laptops/mp3 players/Blu-Ray players/game consoles in your room or something in case the person who is stopping by to take a look at your furniture is just casing the place.

    Yeah if I was having people come over to look at furniture, I'd try put it in a garage or something if I could to keep people out of my house.

    Because thieves do use things like that to scope out possible targets.

    I "lost" a 80GB Zune that was on my Parents kitchen table when my dad sold my brothers car he "traded" for. He went into his office for a few minute to write up a receipt. You never know even if they aren't intending to "case" the joint, people can have sticky fingers when there is little recourse and little proof.

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanks guys, when I find a seller I'm going to make sure not have anything laying around that could be taken.

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    CrashtardCrashtard Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    A good rule of thumb is if you think it's a scam, it's a scam.

    It's a scam.

    this should be stickied and made as the go to for all " is this a scam " posts

    if you even have to ask, you shouldn't do the deal.

    It's amazing how many times we repeat that in H/A, and I completely agree it should be a sticky. To the OP, always treat craigslist like you're having a garage sale. Offers are only as good as the cash that's in your hand.

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