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White Hip-Hop/Rap

CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
edited February 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
My discovery of 3OH!3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQMfFByS7U

And the new Lonely Island song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU

Has made me realise that I love white hip-hop. If anyone has any recommendations for more, then please let me know.

Just so you all know, I'm not looking for Eminem or Goldie Looking Chain. Watch the two videos: They represent a similar type of music. Sure, they're mostly comical, but the musical style could be taken seriously. It's not particularly quirky or stupid, but rather hip-hop made by angry sounding white people.

I've looked around, and I can't find any other music similar to these two.

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    CoreCore Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've already own some Hilltop Hoods stuff. It's good. Bliss n Eso is good as well.

    Hopefully you'll understand what I mean when I say that these songs aren't big/loud enough? I don't mean the volume, but all of these rappers are rapping in the sense that they're speaking. The two songs I posted in the OP have the rappers shouting their lines.

    Hilltop Hoods is what I'm looking for in terms of their music being fun, though. It's got an edge of humour in the lyrics, but nothing too obvious or intentionally comical.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sage Francis
    Braille
    Edan
    Brother Ali
    Slug from Atmosphere
    Drapht
    Cage (though I don't like him)
    Aesop Rock
    Jedi Mind Tricks (Vinnie Paz is lead and he's white)
    El-P
    Eyedea (but you'll find his stuff mostly under Eyedea & Abilities)
    Apathy
    Army of the Pharaohs (has a few white boys in it)
    R.A The Rugged Man
    Mac Lethal

    I think that about covers it. Yeah, it's not necessarily what you're looking for-but there is quite a bit of humor out of these guys (R.A. The Rugged Man and Mac Lethal especially)

    Here's a mac lethal video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGW2hxcbfw

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    PojacoPojaco Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't mean this to be a criticism, though it may sound like one. It doesn't appear that you're interested in white people who are actually decent hip-hop artists, but rather white artists who are satirizing or rather imitating serious hip-hop artists...like Weird Al or something. The guy from SNL doesn't take his production seriously and I would say that the result is that this Lonely Island song, while comical, couldn't be taken seriously at all. So you either love white hip-hop or comedians using hip-hop beats to make funny songs about boats.

    That being said, there are a lot of white hip-hop artists out there who don't come across like the Eminems (or comedians) of the world. The Living Legends crew out of California has some phenomenal white artists in Grouch and Eligh. Eligh is an amazing lyricist, and does most all the beat production for the crew's releases. Grouch has a great voice, style, and delivery. They both have solo albums, joint albums with each other, and Grouch does another joint act called CMA with Luckyiam (also one of the living legends, not white).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHV2I_Xog0&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7NRuIDOKjM
    Grouch and Eligh together
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_fTLdIW-4E

    Aesop Rock is also worth your time, he's signed to Def Jux out of New York. More abstract than many hip-hop artists, but he tells good stories and collaborates with other awesome artists.

    And I don't like Atmosphere all that much personally, but the rapping side is Slug, who's got a lot of talent, and production by Ant. They are both white and know how to rap.

    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon. RA the Rugged Man is a little more comical/ridiculous than the average rapper:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbiYHxrtBU&feature=related

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    EskimoDaveEskimoDave Registered User regular
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    xYUUBINKYOKUxxYUUBINKYOKUx Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    watch?v=dNJFq6VjHJI

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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

    Just...wow.

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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

    Just...wow.

    I'm going to assume this was the kind of "wow" you'd say when you see something really spectacular, like an awesome fireworks display. Thanks, man. I try to put a lot of effort into my posts.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

    Just...wow.

    I'm going to assume this was the kind of "wow" you'd say when you see something really spectacular, like an awesome fireworks display. Thanks, man. I try to put a lot of effort into my posts.

    No, it's downright idiotic to say you prefer this over that when you're neglecting a wide group of amazingly talented hip-hop artists. I didn't realize hip-hop had a color.

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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

    Just...wow.

    I'm going to assume this was the kind of "wow" you'd say when you see something really spectacular, like an awesome fireworks display. Thanks, man. I try to put a lot of effort into my posts.

    No, it's downright idiotic to say you prefer this over that when you're neglecting a wide group of amazingly talented hip-hop artists. I didn't realize hip-hop had a color.

    I would say it's idiotic to assume I'm being prejudiced just because of the language I used, but this is the internet so it's not really an idiotic assumption. Regardless, I wasn't saying what you thought I was saying. The majority of hip-hop I listen to and enjoy happens to be black, but not because it is black.

    Also you don't notice a difference between black and white hip-hop in terms of voice/vocals? Because I do.

    Edit: Oh, and the only reason I'm neglecting all the amazingly talented hip-hop artists is because they don't fall under the quite specific style I specified. So it's not because they're not good, but because they're not what I want.

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    CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Crayon wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Pojaco wrote: »
    ***Edit - If you're looking for strictly comical stuff and you want more yelling, try checking out Dirt Nasty and Micky Avalon.

    These are closer to what I'm looking for. I don't want strictly comical, but if you listen to Hilltop Hoods and 3OH!3, it's fun hip-hop rather than serious hip-hop the majority of the time. It still sounds more serious than something like Weird Al.

    I listen to a lot of serious black hip-hop, because I prefer black hip-hop artists when they're not yelling, but there's something about white guys shouting that I like.

    Just...wow.

    I'm going to assume this was the kind of "wow" you'd say when you see something really spectacular, like an awesome fireworks display. Thanks, man. I try to put a lot of effort into my posts.

    No, it's downright idiotic to say you prefer this over that when you're neglecting a wide group of amazingly talented hip-hop artists. I didn't realize hip-hop had a color.

    I would say it's idiotic to assume I'm being prejudiced just because of the language I used, but this is the internet so it's not really an idiotic assumption. Regardless, I wasn't saying what you thought I was saying. The majority of hip-hop I listen to and enjoy happens to be black, but not because it is black.

    Also you don't notice a difference between black and white hip-hop in terms of voice/vocals? Because I do.

    Edit: Oh, and the only reason I'm neglecting all the amazingly talented hip-hop artists is because they don't fall under the quite specific style I specified. So it's not because they're not good, but because they're not what I want.

    That's your problem right there-you've already associated it all with either a black hip-hop or white hip-hop thing. Bah, what's the point.

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    The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I think there is a difference between the two.

    In my experience the white artists concentrate alot on depressing subjects.

    Also:
    AESOP ROCK is absolutely neccesary
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1u43KDiWD0

    Why is pretty good
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLGXJ0k1I34

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    BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Well I'm pretty sure I've figured out what you're looking for in "white hiphop"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8

    Let me know if I'm on the right track.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-qNIxXKC2A
    nothing more gangster than playing this in your stereo in a mall parking lot

    classy

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    bigpandabigpanda Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    You might want to check out Cancer (The Rhino) out of Detroit. I think he just dropped an EP recently. Not sure how hard it is to find though.

    He's been around for quite a while but I don't think he's gotten much coverage (or really any Detroit rapper outside of Em).

    His Myspace page is here.

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    albionalbion Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Probably not what you are looking for but Uncle Sam Goddamn is a good song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Or how about old Rehab, It Don't Matter

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3z1bS2HlE0

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Atmosphere is half black, half white, but he has some of that distinct "white voice" that many white rappers have.

    Hardknox is a rave/hip-hop group that my brother absolutely loves. It's very aggressive (stylistically, not lyrically) and incredibly infectious.

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    MC MysteryMC Mystery Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The best band of this type, is GRAND BUFFET from PITTSBURGH, PA

    In my opinion they are the best balance of comical and serious. They're not club banger rap like 3OH!3 or Dyslexic Speedreaders. So if that's what you're looking for, sorry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xpZxwE1dkE

    Furthermore, I have a band of this type, but we haven't recorded anything in a studio yet. If you'd like a copy of the demo we recorded in my basement, PM me. We play shows very frequently and the demo has landed us attention. The name of my band is MUSTACHE REQUIRED www.myspace.com/mustacherequired

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    splashsplash Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    What you're looking for are songs that are in your face and stay upbeat

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ILUic7aN0

    Whatever you may think of the singer I bet that is the style you're looking for

    P.S. Don't overlook the UK talent even if this isn't the one

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    DjinnDjinn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

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    SeldomSeldom Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Chester P
    Taskforce
    Skinnyman

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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Just to clarify, and to make sure everyone knows this has nothing to do with race: I like how the hip-hop I posted in the OP sounds. Both of the artists happen to be white, so I included that in my request. I don't care, surprisingly enough, what colour the artists are, as long as they sound like that.
    splash wrote: »
    What you're looking for are songs that are in your face and stay upbeat

    Yes. Exactly. Thank you.

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    DjinnDjinn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Just to clarify, and to make sure everyone knows this has nothing to do with race: I like how the hip-hop I posted in the OP sounds. Both of the artists happen to be white, so I included that in my request. I don't care, surprisingly enough, what colour the artists are, as long as they sound like that.
    splash wrote: »
    What you're looking for are songs that are in your face and stay upbeat

    Yes. Exactly. Thank you.

    You yourself brought race into this when you said you wanted music exclusively by white rappers. Almost all hip-hop is in your face, and a large proportion is upbeat (especially over the past decade). I think you'd better define more carefully exactly what you're looking for.

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    FletcherFletcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    ugh, so many people leap to "BURN THE RACIST" whenever race is mentioned at all

    mentioning the colour of peoples' skin, SCARY!

    the OP clarified that he didn't mean to categorise people on race, but that he was looking for music of a similar STYLE to the songs in the original post. Whether they're black/white/other doesn't matter, it is how their voice sounds and the content of the songs.

    personally i'd recommend Sage Francis (angry angry man) as a couple of others have, and probably the new Kanye album (slow in places, but damn catchy elsewhere).

    Lil Wayne too maybe, a few of his songs are really good (you know, not the "UH BABY GRIND ON MY POLE, I'LL BUY YOU A CAR" stuff that is all the radio plays) and god knows he sounds angry enough sometimes to be right up your alley

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    YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Maybe it's just me but I have found "Stopping All Stations" by the Hilltop Hoods (restrung) to be some of the most lyrically powerful verses I've heard in a very long time.

    "Jumps a train with some friends, sees an easy target,
    An old man hard hit by age, fainthearted,
    The kid pulls a knife like let's get started,
    Come on,
    A girl steps he's like eat the carpet,
    Laughs with his friends like she's retarded,
    The old man stepped and swept the assailant
    Off his feet, his head connected with the railing,
    You're weak the old man said as the kid lay recovering,
    Blubbering, get to your feet I'll tell you another thing
    A real man never lays his hands on a woman,
    A real man would know that, no surprise that you wouldn't,
    I didn't fight in two wars just so forty years later,
    You'd have the freedom to rob me on the train, this behaviour
    Doesn't fit with what I gave this country so cut me,
    Won't live another day in a world that's so ugly.


    It put them up there with DMB's "Seek Up"

    "Sit awhile with TV's hungry child
    Big belly swelled
    Oh, for a price of a coke or a smoke
    Keep alive those hungry eyes."

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    ChrisDudeChrisDude Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    He's a couple more suggestions that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet:

    Abdominal (works a lot with DJ Format):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQr1u1l-rIU
    The Hit Song by DJ Format featuring Abs
    DJ Format ft. MC Abdominal & MC D-Sisive - 3 Feet Deep


    You'd probably like Optimus Rhyme, they play at PAX and are a staple of my Nerdcore collection:
    Ford vs Chevy Optimus Rhyme
    Optimus Rhyme - Obey The Moderator

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Djinn wrote: »
    Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

    There's a distinction to be drawn between the hip hop that grew out of gangster scene in the U.S. and the cultural descendants of those artists, and other folks who are rapping over a beat. In the U.S. the non-gangster stuff gets called 'white rap' because so much of the mainstream stuff is done by black artists who owe much of their style to the gangster mentality. There are plenty of black artists (and other artists of other races) making "white" hip hop, though.

    I would check out Ugly Duckling, Atmosphere, and maybe even Blue Scholars.

    Also hilltop hoods were already mentioned, but I love this video and wanted to post it. If you like irreverence with your music, maybe you'll like it too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC8fgNzxt8

    edit: for that matter did anyone suggest The Roots yet? Might also be something you'd get into.

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    Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Having re-read some of your posts again, do you just want artists who yell the same eight bars repetitively over heavy bass? Cause shit, there's a million of those dudes, white and otherwise. This is Ludacris/Lil' Jon territory.

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    splashsplash Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Djinn wrote: »
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Just to clarify, and to make sure everyone knows this has nothing to do with race: I like how the hip-hop I posted in the OP sounds. Both of the artists happen to be white, so I included that in my request. I don't care, surprisingly enough, what colour the artists are, as long as they sound like that.
    splash wrote: »
    What you're looking for are songs that are in your face and stay upbeat

    Yes. Exactly. Thank you.

    You yourself brought race into this when you said you wanted music exclusively by white rappers. Almost all hip-hop is in your face, and a large proportion is upbeat (especially over the past decade). I think you'd better define more carefully exactly what you're looking for.

    For whatever reason most of the white hip-hop artists mentioned so far are too subtle or complicated or something. I don't know if that's a usual style or not, but that's why he needs it to be in your face and upbeat. Sure there are a lot more popular black artists that do in your face and upbeat. But maybe the reason he said white and not eminem is because he doesn't want in your face and upbeat if it's the generic black artists doing hip hop or white/black gangster rap. So it's actually harder to find then people think.

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    CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, I should probably point out that I'm not necessarily looking for "good" hip-hop. This isn't about discovering amazing, talented artists.

    All I want, quite simply, is music exactly the same as the two videos I posted in the OP. Which DOES make it hard to find. I probably shouldn't have mentioned liking White Hip-hop and asked for recommendations. That was a bit misleading.

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    eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm not so sure if Kottonmouth Kings would be what your looking for. Them or Insane Clown Posse. I'm also not a big fan of either, but options are better than no options.

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    EskimoDaveEskimoDave Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Flight of the Conchords do some raps. They're also comical.

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    DjinnDjinn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Centipeed wrote: »
    Yeah, I should probably point out that I'm not necessarily looking for "good" hip-hop. This isn't about discovering amazing, talented artists.

    All I want, quite simply, is music exactly the same as the two videos I posted in the OP. Which DOES make it hard to find. I probably shouldn't have mentioned liking White Hip-hop and asked for recommendations. That was a bit misleading.

    Problem is, the two videos in your OP dont represent a certain type of music. One is a straight up rap song. The other is a parody by a couple of comedians and an rnb singer.

    The original is highly indebted to the Beastie Boys, so if you like it you should go straight to the source:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzaFGMQRBfs

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    George Fornby GrillGeorge Fornby Grill ...Like Clockwork Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Seconding Optimus Rhyme, they're definitely upbeat a good 80% of the time, and it's good hip-hop/funk. They also just put out their new/final CD for free on their website.

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