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Re: Dave's art dump (Big ol' dump on the 5th page) (not a poop dump)

acadiaacadia Registered User regular
edited December 2010 in Artist's Corner
Afternoon, PA:AC. My name's Dave, long time lurker, few times poster.

I make a comic called Applied Living (along with one of my buddies, who writes it) that updates Mondays and Fridays. It's been going for almost a year and a half now and I'm getting to the point where I'm comfortable with showing it around and getting some (hopefully honest) advice concerning it.

We recently started somewhat of an experiment with our comic -- no dialogue. It's just for this particular story arc, but I feel it showcases my artwork more so I'll use these as the sample comics to show you guys.

Page 1
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Page 2
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Page 3
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Page 4
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I'd love any feedback possible, on the art, writing, site layout, anything!

Thanks for reading!

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  • MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Hrmmm, arts not bad but your storyline is very umm, what's the word I'm looking for metaphoric (I'm not sure that's actually a word). I'm not entirely sure whats going on on the first page, a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis? I have absolutely no idea what's going on in last 5 frames of the final page. I think what I'm trying to say here is that you're trying to be too cerebral, web stuff needs to get it's point across quickly and this doesn't do that.

    Was the lack of dialogue a concious choice?

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  • winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    First off. i think the arts pretty good. The second comic i really like. The angles are great, character poses have a lot of life in them. Plus, i like the colours used in the top on, but i'm thinking the composition could be better. I'm also guessing "a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis" like Mustang said. The last couple are a little hard to interperate. I think these comics 'DO' need text. This looks to be telling a story, so text is pretty much needed, i think. Also, looked through your archive, not a bad collection.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Mustang wrote:
    Hrmmm, arts not bad but your storyline is very umm, what's the word I'm looking for metaphoric (I'm not sure that's actually a word). I'm not entirely sure whats going on on the first page, a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis? I have absolutely no idea what's going on in last 5 frames of the final page. I think what I'm trying to say here is that you're trying to be too cerebral, web stuff needs to get it's point across quickly and this doesn't do that.

    Was the lack of dialogue a concious choice?

    Well normally our comic is quite wordy (i have an intellectual for a writer, go figure), so I guess he wanted to try and get his 'message' across without words. We're seeing how that goes, and I'm jumping at the opportunity to improve my art.

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  • crawdaddiocrawdaddio Tacoma, WARegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    If you let us in on the story, we might be able to help you with clearing up the narrative.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Absolutely! Here's a link to the googledoc of the script.

    http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgxwmhn6_141c23p56c6

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  • LeggraphicsLeggraphics Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The art is good. Love the bright colours

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  • AllanAllan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Art's really good!

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Allan wrote: »
    Art's really good!

    Thanks, Allan. Your stuff blows me away constantly, so that means alot coming from you :D
    The art is good. Love the bright colours

    Thanks! I actually have to focus on giving bright colors, incidentally. I used to use really bland, boring colors for some reason. Bright colors are so much more interesting to look at.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    i like the art and i like the story that i got from it
    it feels like something that i personally went through
    he's working a shitty restaurant job that makes him miserable, he makes next to nothing, the ladder is symbolic of him trying to get out of it, but he's being held down/holding himself back

    and then he sees a publishing house, which is linked to what he aspires to be (writer?) and just looks away because it seems like an unattainable dream

    am i close? cause that's what i got from it and i think it was nicely done.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    beavotron wrote: »
    i like the art and i like the story that i got from it
    it feels like something that i personally went through
    he's working a shitty restaurant job that makes him miserable, he makes next to nothing, the ladder is symbolic of him trying to get out of it, but he's being held down/holding himself back

    and then he sees a publishing house, which is linked to what he aspires to be (writer?) and just looks away because it seems like an unattainable dream

    am i close? cause that's what i got from it and i think it was nicely done.

    That's exactly it. Glad you enjoy it so far! (Holy shit, beavotron responded) Thanks a ton!

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Alright well, i guess since there's very little feedback to be had for Applied Living, I'll post up my other comic here.

    This one's called 'Id'.
    I it write myself and it's more of a 'journal comic' than the other one. No metaphors for living, no roundabout thoughts and ideas, just whatever I'm thinking about at the time. Here's some samples:

    Street Preachers
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    The Spot
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    Farts make me lol
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  • AllanAllan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Who is this Allan character.

    He is strikingly handsome, despite the abundance of flatulence!

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  • UrantiaUrantia regular
    edited February 2009
    These comics bring on acid flash backs.

    Just kidding! I'm five.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    hahahha the second one reminded me of something
    i saw some shitty horror movie once about a farm house that was full of the ghosts of this family that had been murdered by their dad
    they were haunting people, and the mom ghost kept appearing through this weird splotch on the wall
    and you could see the baby boy's ghost feet through the ceiling

    anyways, it scared me a lot, and now when i see spots on the ceiling or wall, i can't sleep in those rooms out of fear of ghosts.

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  • AllanAllan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    beav, you know that movies are made with special effects? They're not real.

    Take solace in the fact that it is all Hollywood ;)

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    no way
    they hire real ghosts, just to scare me :(

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Figured I'd toss my PA fanart sketch into the mix. Probably gonna ink it tonight...

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    Beav: Tentacles =/= ghosts. You'll be fine :D

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    This was a collaborative effort between Allan and I.

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  • FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    hahahaha

    that is wonderful

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanks, Fab :D

    I feel, though, that I'm having a lot of trouble with pacing. I guess it's not an instinctual thing for me, and I really need to work on it. Any tips from the peanut gallery?

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  • FabricateFabricate __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Pacing I think is just about optimizing the ammount of panels and dialogue narration to a reasonable ratio? I could be talking out my ass here but, If you got rid of the second panel and moved the dialogue to the first and got rid of the fifth panel, moving the last "just" to the previous one it would work a lot better I think.

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  • RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    man i just found out yesterday (through seeing your fanart entry on your site) that you were the Id guy.
    I was all excited to come here and be all oh hey man are you the Id guy. And then you go and blow the surprise before i got the chance.
    man.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    RubberAC wrote: »
    man i just found out yesterday (through seeing your fanart entry on your site) that you were the Id guy.
    I was all excited to come here and be all oh hey man are you the Id guy. And then you go and blow the surprise before i got the chance.
    man.

    Yep! That's me! I've been doing Id for almost as long as I've been doing ApL. Glad you're checkin out the site, man.
    Fabricate wrote: »
    Pacing I think is just about optimizing the ammount of panels and dialogue narration to a reasonable ratio? I could be talking out my ass here but, If you got rid of the second panel and moved the dialogue to the first and got rid of the fifth panel, moving the last "just" to the previous one it would work a lot better I think.

    Sometimes, though, it's the addition of a panel that makes a comic funny. I don't think just cutting down things adds to the humor. I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis and it's something I need to get accustomed to.

    Anyway, new arts to throw on the pile:

    I've been toying with a style of portraiture that's really appealing to me lately. Multiple photo ref's, two colors only (white and whatever color i choose), no shading or anything.
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    edit: Despoilered. It's my art thread, who the fuck cares.

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  • AllanAllan Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I personally like that second portrait the best. Shows a lot of cool features with only two values--something that you couldn't do if you were an amateur artist!

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  • P-FrankP-Frank Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I like how animated your stuff looks. This is really great. Some more backgrounds occasionally could be cool, but honestly this looks rad!

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thanks P-Frank! Yeah, I tend to skimp out on backgrounds pretty frequently. A lot of the time I can justify it to myself that it's an 'emotional panel' and that a background wouldn't be beneficial, but half of the time I'm bullshitting myself. I'll try to add more bg's in the future. I took that into account for todays page (farther down this post), where I'd allude to a background at the very least, giving the panels some atmosphere without having to explicitly draw it in.

    Allan: Thanks man. You're probably referring to the lips, which are my favorite part of that drawing as well. :D

    New Applied Living page. Not totally happy with it, but I think it gets the message across.

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    and a new Id.

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    Pirates, amirite?

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    For some reason, I get very few replies to this thread. I can't figure out why. So instead of posting strips, I shall now post relevant art.

    This is the current progress on my PA Fanart Contest entry.

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    Why do the hands look so shitty?

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Only the one on the far right has elements of poop. Seems like the angle should be expanded a bit too. Being able to see just a slight element of something along the bottom and right looks weird to me. Still pretty early on to give much meaningful criticism I think.

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  • DeeLockDeeLock Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Why's Gabe look so smug?

    I'd think he'd be rolling his eyes or something...

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  • Scott WegenerScott Wegener Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I really like the look of the webcomic. Maybe a tad too dark on the colors? maybe. Great open style. Good body language on the characters.

    Those portraitures are blowing my mind. I love them -very stark.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Shiboe wrote: »
    Only the one on the far right has elements of poop. Seems like the angle should be expanded a bit too. Being able to see just a slight element of something along the bottom and right looks weird to me. Still pretty early on to give much meaningful criticism I think.

    I wanted to try to isolate the focus on Gabe and Tycho enjoying a DnD session. Would it be more beneficial to just take out the things in the corners, or blur them to the point at which theyre not recognizable? Or should I try to expand the angle and include the other players?
    DeeLock wrote: »
    Why's Gabe look so smug?

    I'd think he'd be rolling his eyes or something...

    Well recently Gabe's been more accepting of the whole DnD thing. He DM'd his own group, afterall. I figured he now knows where Tycho is coming from and appreciates his enthusiasm. I know it would be more 'in character' for him to be exasperated, but I wanted this to be as relevant as possible (thanks to canon). Bad idea?
    I really like the look of the webcomic. Maybe a tad too dark on the colors? maybe. Great open style. Good body language on the characters.

    Those portraitures are blowing my mind. I love them -very stark.

    Woah holy shit. I am starstruck. I remember reading the first trade paperback of Atomic Robo (got it and being like 'I wish I could draw like THIS guy'. So, just know that you're speaking to a fan. Thanks for the kudos man, it made my day :D

    New arts (strips) for anyone who cares:

    (I guess I'm treating Id as my sketchbook/journal now)

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  • DeeLockDeeLock Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I dunno, i still think that the spirit of the original comic you're taking it from would have him with a different expression.

    But whatever i guess.

    PS: I like your webcomic.

    PSS: You stole that had joke from Beartato and Reginald.

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Haha, that IS remarkably similar. I don't read that comic, but I can definitely see it. I actually had an impromptu hat battle in a photo thread with another member on another forum, and then I drew it. MAYBE ITS JUST UNIVERSALLY FUNNY TO FIGHT WITH HATS, I DUNNO.

    (I did not steal it)

    (Thanks for liking my comic :D)

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  • AllanAllan Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Well, he did steal it, but he stole it from MY forum using HIS OWN conversation...


    ...so.

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  • RadioKillerRadioKiller bringer of death to antiquated technology a methlab in MORegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    your style of art is pretty darn cute {or manly awesome, if cute is too girly of a word}. I don't really have any insight for you, but to keep drawing. n___n

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    your style of art is pretty darn cute {or manly awesome, if cute is too girly of a word}. I don't really have any insight for you, but to keep drawing. n___n

    Thanks man! The difference between 'cute' and 'manly awesome' is negligible to me, so long as you like the art. I appreciate it!

    --

    So, I've had Id critiqued a few other times, and one of the main 'complaints' it got was the font. I tried making my own font out of my own handwriting:

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    But recently I've been trying to actually write my text in, in an attempt to be more personal.

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    Good idea?

    Bad idea?

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  • AwkAwk Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    sex idea

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  • LeggraphicsLeggraphics Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    love the foreshortening in the last picture there with the hand.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Do me

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  • acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Awk wrote: »
    sex idea

    Awesome, thanks.
    love the foreshortening in the last picture there with the hand.

    Thanks, man. I kept having to tweak the index finger because it just looked like a second thumb for a while.
    Projeck wrote: »
    Do me

    Gladly.

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