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Re: Dave's art dump (Big ol' dump on the 5th page) (not a poop dump)
Afternoon, PA:AC. My name's Dave, long time lurker, few times poster.
I make a comic called Applied Living (along with one of my buddies, who writes it) that updates Mondays and Fridays. It's been going for almost a year and a half now and I'm getting to the point where I'm comfortable with showing it around and getting some (hopefully honest) advice concerning it.
We recently started somewhat of an experiment with our comic -- no dialogue. It's just for this particular story arc, but I feel it showcases my artwork more so I'll use these as the sample comics to show you guys.
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
I'd love any feedback possible, on the art, writing, site layout, anything!
MustangArbiter of Unpopular OpinionsRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
Hrmmm, arts not bad but your storyline is very umm, what's the word I'm looking for metaphoric (I'm not sure that's actually a word). I'm not entirely sure whats going on on the first page, a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis? I have absolutely no idea what's going on in last 5 frames of the final page. I think what I'm trying to say here is that you're trying to be too cerebral, web stuff needs to get it's point across quickly and this doesn't do that.
First off. i think the arts pretty good. The second comic i really like. The angles are great, character poses have a lot of life in them. Plus, i like the colours used in the top on, but i'm thinking the composition could be better. I'm also guessing "a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis" like Mustang said. The last couple are a little hard to interperate. I think these comics 'DO' need text. This looks to be telling a story, so text is pretty much needed, i think. Also, looked through your archive, not a bad collection.
Hrmmm, arts not bad but your storyline is very umm, what's the word I'm looking for metaphoric (I'm not sure that's actually a word). I'm not entirely sure whats going on on the first page, a parting of a friendship and possibly a future nemesis? I have absolutely no idea what's going on in last 5 frames of the final page. I think what I'm trying to say here is that you're trying to be too cerebral, web stuff needs to get it's point across quickly and this doesn't do that.
Was the lack of dialogue a concious choice?
Well normally our comic is quite wordy (i have an intellectual for a writer, go figure), so I guess he wanted to try and get his 'message' across without words. We're seeing how that goes, and I'm jumping at the opportunity to improve my art.
Thanks! I actually have to focus on giving bright colors, incidentally. I used to use really bland, boring colors for some reason. Bright colors are so much more interesting to look at.
i like the art and i like the story that i got from it
it feels like something that i personally went through
he's working a shitty restaurant job that makes him miserable, he makes next to nothing, the ladder is symbolic of him trying to get out of it, but he's being held down/holding himself back
and then he sees a publishing house, which is linked to what he aspires to be (writer?) and just looks away because it seems like an unattainable dream
am i close? cause that's what i got from it and i think it was nicely done.
i like the art and i like the story that i got from it
it feels like something that i personally went through
he's working a shitty restaurant job that makes him miserable, he makes next to nothing, the ladder is symbolic of him trying to get out of it, but he's being held down/holding himself back
and then he sees a publishing house, which is linked to what he aspires to be (writer?) and just looks away because it seems like an unattainable dream
am i close? cause that's what i got from it and i think it was nicely done.
That's exactly it. Glad you enjoy it so far! (Holy shit, beavotron responded) Thanks a ton!
Alright well, i guess since there's very little feedback to be had for Applied Living, I'll post up my other comic here.
This one's called 'Id'. I it write myself and it's more of a 'journal comic' than the other one. No metaphors for living, no roundabout thoughts and ideas, just whatever I'm thinking about at the time. Here's some samples:
hahahha the second one reminded me of something
i saw some shitty horror movie once about a farm house that was full of the ghosts of this family that had been murdered by their dad
they were haunting people, and the mom ghost kept appearing through this weird splotch on the wall
and you could see the baby boy's ghost feet through the ceiling
anyways, it scared me a lot, and now when i see spots on the ceiling or wall, i can't sleep in those rooms out of fear of ghosts.
I feel, though, that I'm having a lot of trouble with pacing. I guess it's not an instinctual thing for me, and I really need to work on it. Any tips from the peanut gallery?
Pacing I think is just about optimizing the ammount of panels and dialogue narration to a reasonable ratio? I could be talking out my ass here but, If you got rid of the second panel and moved the dialogue to the first and got rid of the fifth panel, moving the last "just" to the previous one it would work a lot better I think.
man i just found out yesterday (through seeing your fanart entry on your site) that you were the Id guy.
I was all excited to come here and be all oh hey man are you the Id guy. And then you go and blow the surprise before i got the chance.
man.
man i just found out yesterday (through seeing your fanart entry on your site) that you were the Id guy.
I was all excited to come here and be all oh hey man are you the Id guy. And then you go and blow the surprise before i got the chance.
man.
Yep! That's me! I've been doing Id for almost as long as I've been doing ApL. Glad you're checkin out the site, man.
Pacing I think is just about optimizing the ammount of panels and dialogue narration to a reasonable ratio? I could be talking out my ass here but, If you got rid of the second panel and moved the dialogue to the first and got rid of the fifth panel, moving the last "just" to the previous one it would work a lot better I think.
Sometimes, though, it's the addition of a panel that makes a comic funny. I don't think just cutting down things adds to the humor. I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis and it's something I need to get accustomed to.
Anyway, new arts to throw on the pile:
I've been toying with a style of portraiture that's really appealing to me lately. Multiple photo ref's, two colors only (white and whatever color i choose), no shading or anything.
edit: Despoilered. It's my art thread, who the fuck cares.
I personally like that second portrait the best. Shows a lot of cool features with only two values--something that you couldn't do if you were an amateur artist!
Thanks P-Frank! Yeah, I tend to skimp out on backgrounds pretty frequently. A lot of the time I can justify it to myself that it's an 'emotional panel' and that a background wouldn't be beneficial, but half of the time I'm bullshitting myself. I'll try to add more bg's in the future. I took that into account for todays page (farther down this post), where I'd allude to a background at the very least, giving the panels some atmosphere without having to explicitly draw it in.
Allan: Thanks man. You're probably referring to the lips, which are my favorite part of that drawing as well.
New Applied Living page. Not totally happy with it, but I think it gets the message across.
Only the one on the far right has elements of poop. Seems like the angle should be expanded a bit too. Being able to see just a slight element of something along the bottom and right looks weird to me. Still pretty early on to give much meaningful criticism I think.
Only the one on the far right has elements of poop. Seems like the angle should be expanded a bit too. Being able to see just a slight element of something along the bottom and right looks weird to me. Still pretty early on to give much meaningful criticism I think.
I wanted to try to isolate the focus on Gabe and Tycho enjoying a DnD session. Would it be more beneficial to just take out the things in the corners, or blur them to the point at which theyre not recognizable? Or should I try to expand the angle and include the other players?
I'd think he'd be rolling his eyes or something...
Well recently Gabe's been more accepting of the whole DnD thing. He DM'd his own group, afterall. I figured he now knows where Tycho is coming from and appreciates his enthusiasm. I know it would be more 'in character' for him to be exasperated, but I wanted this to be as relevant as possible (thanks to canon). Bad idea?
I really like the look of the webcomic. Maybe a tad too dark on the colors? maybe. Great open style. Good body language on the characters.
Those portraitures are blowing my mind. I love them -very stark.
Woah holy shit. I am starstruck. I remember reading the first trade paperback of Atomic Robo (got it and being like 'I wish I could draw like THIS guy'. So, just know that you're speaking to a fan. Thanks for the kudos man, it made my day
New arts (strips) for anyone who cares:
(I guess I'm treating Id as my sketchbook/journal now)
Haha, that IS remarkably similar. I don't read that comic, but I can definitely see it. I actually had an impromptu hat battle in a photo thread with another member on another forum, and then I drew it. MAYBE ITS JUST UNIVERSALLY FUNNY TO FIGHT WITH HATS, I DUNNO.
Well, he did steal it, but he stole it from MY forum using HIS OWN conversation...
...so.
Allan on
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RadioKillerbringer of death to antiquated technologya methlab in MORegistered Userregular
edited March 2009
your style of art is pretty darn cute {or manly awesome, if cute is too girly of a word}. I don't really have any insight for you, but to keep drawing. n___n
your style of art is pretty darn cute {or manly awesome, if cute is too girly of a word}. I don't really have any insight for you, but to keep drawing. n___n
Thanks man! The difference between 'cute' and 'manly awesome' is negligible to me, so long as you like the art. I appreciate it!
--
So, I've had Id critiqued a few other times, and one of the main 'complaints' it got was the font. I tried making my own font out of my own handwriting:
But recently I've been trying to actually write my text in, in an attempt to be more personal.
Posts
Was the lack of dialogue a concious choice?
Well normally our comic is quite wordy (i have an intellectual for a writer, go figure), so I guess he wanted to try and get his 'message' across without words. We're seeing how that goes, and I'm jumping at the opportunity to improve my art.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgxwmhn6_141c23p56c6
Thanks, Allan. Your stuff blows me away constantly, so that means alot coming from you
Thanks! I actually have to focus on giving bright colors, incidentally. I used to use really bland, boring colors for some reason. Bright colors are so much more interesting to look at.
it feels like something that i personally went through
he's working a shitty restaurant job that makes him miserable, he makes next to nothing, the ladder is symbolic of him trying to get out of it, but he's being held down/holding himself back
and then he sees a publishing house, which is linked to what he aspires to be (writer?) and just looks away because it seems like an unattainable dream
am i close? cause that's what i got from it and i think it was nicely done.
That's exactly it. Glad you enjoy it so far! (Holy shit, beavotron responded) Thanks a ton!
This one's called 'Id'. I it write myself and it's more of a 'journal comic' than the other one. No metaphors for living, no roundabout thoughts and ideas, just whatever I'm thinking about at the time. Here's some samples:
Street Preachers
The Spot
Farts make me lol
He is strikingly handsome, despite the abundance of flatulence!
Just kidding! I'm five.
i saw some shitty horror movie once about a farm house that was full of the ghosts of this family that had been murdered by their dad
they were haunting people, and the mom ghost kept appearing through this weird splotch on the wall
and you could see the baby boy's ghost feet through the ceiling
anyways, it scared me a lot, and now when i see spots on the ceiling or wall, i can't sleep in those rooms out of fear of ghosts.
Take solace in the fact that it is all Hollywood
they hire real ghosts, just to scare me
Beav: Tentacles =/= ghosts. You'll be fine
that is wonderful
I feel, though, that I'm having a lot of trouble with pacing. I guess it's not an instinctual thing for me, and I really need to work on it. Any tips from the peanut gallery?
I was all excited to come here and be all oh hey man are you the Id guy. And then you go and blow the surprise before i got the chance.
man.
Yep! That's me! I've been doing Id for almost as long as I've been doing ApL. Glad you're checkin out the site, man.
Sometimes, though, it's the addition of a panel that makes a comic funny. I don't think just cutting down things adds to the humor. I guess it's just on a case-by-case basis and it's something I need to get accustomed to.
Anyway, new arts to throw on the pile:
I've been toying with a style of portraiture that's really appealing to me lately. Multiple photo ref's, two colors only (white and whatever color i choose), no shading or anything.
edit: Despoilered. It's my art thread, who the fuck cares.
Allan: Thanks man. You're probably referring to the lips, which are my favorite part of that drawing as well.
New Applied Living page. Not totally happy with it, but I think it gets the message across.
and a new Id.
Pirates, amirite?
This is the current progress on my PA Fanart Contest entry.
Why do the hands look so shitty?
I'd think he'd be rolling his eyes or something...
Those portraitures are blowing my mind. I love them -very stark.
www.atomic-robo.com
I wanted to try to isolate the focus on Gabe and Tycho enjoying a DnD session. Would it be more beneficial to just take out the things in the corners, or blur them to the point at which theyre not recognizable? Or should I try to expand the angle and include the other players?
Well recently Gabe's been more accepting of the whole DnD thing. He DM'd his own group, afterall. I figured he now knows where Tycho is coming from and appreciates his enthusiasm. I know it would be more 'in character' for him to be exasperated, but I wanted this to be as relevant as possible (thanks to canon). Bad idea?
Woah holy shit. I am starstruck. I remember reading the first trade paperback of Atomic Robo (got it and being like 'I wish I could draw like THIS guy'. So, just know that you're speaking to a fan. Thanks for the kudos man, it made my day
New arts (strips) for anyone who cares:
(I guess I'm treating Id as my sketchbook/journal now)
But whatever i guess.
PS: I like your webcomic.
PSS: You stole that had joke from Beartato and Reginald.
(I did not steal it)
(Thanks for liking my comic )
...so.
Thanks man! The difference between 'cute' and 'manly awesome' is negligible to me, so long as you like the art. I appreciate it!
--
So, I've had Id critiqued a few other times, and one of the main 'complaints' it got was the font. I tried making my own font out of my own handwriting:
But recently I've been trying to actually write my text in, in an attempt to be more personal.
Good idea?
Bad idea?
Awesome, thanks.
Thanks, man. I kept having to tweak the index finger because it just looked like a second thumb for a while.
Gladly.