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[Paintball]PSP Phoenix Open 19-22nd (Free Live Stream)

InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
edited February 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
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It’s a new PSP season with some new rules, new gear, guns and gadgets and of course new matches to watch!

Now, I realize that most of you here don’t know that much about paintball and even less about tournament paintball specifically. So this thread is going to serve somewhat as a primer in addition to being a place to discuss the phoenix open and paintball in general.

Of course, the main reason I’m making this thread is this:

The Phoenix Open is going to be streamed LIVE over the internet for FREE.

I figure even if someone has a passing interest in paintball they can hop in the thread, watch the stream and ask questions or just talk in general in this thread.

Schedule: http://www.paintball-players.org/scores/L1/
Note: Paintball is still small enough of a sport that all the divisions play the same event. So, over the course of these 4 days you will see matches that range from entry level to the top tier teams.

The Field Layout:

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A relatively standard layout. New this season is middle bunker is no longer a huge X but just the bottom half of one. But I doubt it will really have any impact on the game. PSP purposefully designs the field to push play out to the tape lines, for both strategic reasons and so the fans in the sidelines can get a good view of the game. Speaking of the fans, they get to yell anything they want at the players, such as where someone is hiding, of course, they don’t have to be honest about it either.

Field Terminology: The pieces of cover are called bunkers. Each of the bunker styles has a different name. Tall cylindrical bunkers are called cans. Tall bunkers with four flat sides and a flat top are called temples. Triangular bunkers that end in a point are called doritos. The long pieces of low cover are called the snake and players have to crawl to use it as cover.

One side of the field has a snake and the other side has a lot of doritos, and they are called snake side and dorito side respectively. The middle bunkers are said to be on the 50, with bunkers from there being on the 40 and so on. Bunkers in the back are often called back bunkers, ie, the back can. This should help you keep up with the announcers somewhat.

Rules:

Games consist of two 15 minute halves. The first team to 9 points wins, or the team with the highest score at the end of the second half. The clock counts down the entire time, until there are only 5 minutes left, and then the clock only counts down during a point. Teams get one time out per half.

Each time has five players on the field at the start. If a paintball hits and breaks (this is important) on a player (on any part of them, gun, pack, whatever) they are out. If it hits and bounces they are still in.

Your team wins the point by hanging the flag in the middle of the field on the enemies starting box. This is almost impossible to do while the other team still has players in the game, so this is usually done after the other team is eliminated. A team can also concede a point at any time, and this can be useful if the game is starting to run low on time.

Fouls are handled similarly to hockey. Where a player on your team must sit in a penalty box for a certain duration of time. There are major and minor penalties, which determine how long the penalty is. Penalties can be earned for continuing to play after a ball broke on you, having your gun shooting too fast and other such things.

Note: These are the rules for the highest division of play, lower divisions use slightly different rules but the announcers usually mention these differences.

Pro Teams:
Boston Red Legion

Bushwackers

Chicago Aftershock

DYNASTY

Edmonton Impact

Hurricanes

LA Infamous

Los Angeles Ironmen

Philly Americans

San Diego Aftermath

Seattle Naughty Dogs

Tampa Bay Damage

X-Factor



Speedball Strategy in a Nutshell:

Players have to start with their barrel touching the dead box. When the buzzer sounds they can begin play. Some members of the team will walk to a bunker near the back of the field while constantly shooting their gun down a firing lane. This is called laning and either denies players access to certain bunkers or gets an early eliminations. Other players on the team will either run and shoot to a further out bunker or try to make a really aggressive play and just flat out run to a bunker far up the field. After this initial chaos called the breakout, things settle down a little but the tempo for that point has been set.

Players at this point play their bunkers tight and engage in snap shooting (popping in and out of cover and shooting quickly) to try to get out enemies, or they will continue to lay down streams of paint to keep the enemy from advancing or to let their own team advance up a part of the field. Once one team has an advantage they will try to send people up the sides of the fields to get angle shots on the opposing team and eliminate them.

If a team is ahead by enough bodies on the field they may attempt a run through, which is where a player runs up and runs right by a player, shooting at them (this is called bunkering). A player doing a run through usually gets eliminated, but sometimes they can take one or two people with them, which is a good trade if you were already up bodies.

So, there you go. Hope you guys enjoy watching some free paintball this weekend.

Stream: The stream will be hosted at http://www.pspevents.com

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    SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I wholeheartedly approve of this thread. We don't hear enough from speedball fans around here.

    It's been a while since I kept up with the who's who, but does Dynasty still sweep things by a large margin? And does my local team (Edmonton Impact) have a chance in hell?

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sirs could you provide any youtube videos that are comprehensive and show all of the action on the field?

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    Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Inquisitor, you asshole, you're making me want to play paintball again.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Fffffffuck yes. I play PSP! Well, I've played some World Cup and a lot of CFOA.


    Thank you for making this thread.

    EDIT: Shamless spoiler of pictures of my team (Warning, huge)
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    EDITEDIT: video from a day of practice from the Division 1 team, Palm Beach Vipers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0VpoYjb0I

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Is there a version of this speed ball stuff that's uses buildings as well?

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Is there a version of this speed ball stuff that's uses buildings as well?

    No, speedball only uses Airball bunkers, and Hyperball tubing a long time ago

    Recreational paintball had big buildings, and scenarios and such a lot of times however, and is played for fun.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    If paintball was an accurate tactical simulation I would fucking love it and play constantly. The teams get a basic layout of the playfield and surrounding buildings just a few hours in advance.

    Round 1 team A gets 10 minutes or so to position themselves on the playing field and in buildings etc. Then Team B has to head in.

    Round 2 they switch roles.

    Best 3 out of 5 or something.

    (edit: I guess that's not really the point of paintball though.)

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sceptre wrote: »
    I wholeheartedly approve of this thread. We don't hear enough from speedball fans around here.

    It's been a while since I kept up with the who's who, but does Dynasty still sweep things by a large margin? And does my local team (Edmonton Impact) have a chance in hell?

    Dynasty is still good but they aren't the best team around anymore. Ollie Lang went to the Ironmen, and so did Johnny Perchack. Speaking of the Ironmen they won the last world cup, so, they are definitely a team to keep your eyes on.

    As for Impact, well, I'm just getting into speedball seriously myself so, I've don't have all the info but I think they've been playing pretty solid paintball, so, I'd say there is a chance.

    DUE: You can find paintball that does what you want actually. It's called scenario ball. They generally don't do the switching the sides thing though. They'll basically take a huge area of play, areas that can span miles, sometimes. There will be objectives that need to be captured spread around the area, and one team will basically have from sun up to sun down, or maybe even through the night, to get these objectives while the other team defends. The teams will be rather huge in number as well.

    What state do you live in DUE? I'm sure I could find something in your area.

    Of course, keep in mind that paintball ballistic physics will never be like that of a real gun but, it's still a hell of a lot better experience than even the most realistic FPS games.

    As for a video that shows all the action on the field, lemme see what I can dig up. It's hard to find quality clips on youtubes as most of the people who mix them are kinda clueless, but... oh hey here's a pretty decent one, a lot of close ups but still gives a good idea:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNMiLcvaXk

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I was wondering if your baby was going to make it all the way to page 2 Quizy.

    I'm in Ohio but I don't have the time to devote to the pursuit of the sport. I would be a fanatic for about three months before quitting.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I have to admit, it's nice to know someone else on here is into tournament level paintball. Do you play any leagues?

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    If paintball was an accurate tactical simulation I would fucking love it and play constantly. The teams get a basic layout of the playfield and surrounding buildings just a few hours in advance.

    Round 1 team A gets 10 minutes or so to position themselves on the playing field and in buildings etc. Then Team B has to head in.

    Round 2 they switch roles.

    Best 3 out of 5 or something.

    (edit: I guess that's not really the point of paintball though.)

    me and my friends used to play paintball this way a few times. One guy had a sweet backyard in the forest, with a hill, down to a ravine and then up to another hill. The second hill had a partial cliff into the ravine. There are also fallen logs by the ravine. And a trail up the back of the second hill.

    Basically, one team would get 10 minutes to go set up on the hill and then the other team would attack. Then we would switch.

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    JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    In one of those videos a guy ambushes another guy and peppers him with some shots and it looks like the other guy fires back after he's been hit and hits the guy. How is that handled typically? Does the shot from the guy who got hit not count? Is there a penalty for shooting back once hit within a certain time limit? Within so many milliseconds I'm sure it's just reflex.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It will typically count as "playing on" (playing after being eliminated) and the ref will pull you and one other player from your team, but sometimes you can get away with it and take the other person out with you.

    That was a practice game, however. No refs.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    I have to admit, it's nice to know someone else on here is into tournament level paintball. Do you play any leagues?

    My college is forming a paintball club right now. We are still trying to figure out what leagues we'll be able to play in. but we'll definitely play in some college league, and maybe more. We're still trying to figure out how many members we will have and what kind of financial backing the school will give us.

    JAEF: Yeah, as Toxin said, if someone gets hit and keeps playing its a penalty. Now, it's normal if someone is shooting and they get hit that they will shoot a couple more rounds or whatever while they realize they've been hit, and generally the ref will just yank them without calling a penalty.

    When bunkering someone (which is when you basically run up right on top of someone and shoot) it's pretty common for both players to be shooting at each other and hit each other and nearly the same time, and in that case the ref generally pulls both players off of the field.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    A guy in our team plays in the college league. His team is 1st or 2nd right now, and the play level in it is generally pretty low, D4ish skill wise.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I have enjoyed paintball the two times I experienced it. Both times, at least one person asked someone to try shooting them in the nuts, and then immediately regretted it.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I have enjoyed paintball the two times I experienced it. Both times, at least one person asked someone to try shooting them in the nuts, and then immediately regretted it.

    I've been shot in the nuts.

    Why someone would ever request that to be done I can not fathom.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Throat/ ear shots are the worst.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'd say getting shot in the hand (fingers, open palm, back of the hand) is the worst.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    I'd say getting shot in the hand (fingers, open palm, back of the hand) is the worst.

    Gloves help with that some, but yeah, those places just listed (groin, neck, ear, hand) are pretty much the worst places to get shot.

    Also, it looks like they might only be doing a live stream for the 21st and the 22nd?

    They have a bunch of games up from last years world cup though here:

    http://webcast.pspevents.com/flash/player/

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    I have two friends who used to play for Joy Division, they were over in the states and played a lot. Don't know how they're doing now though.

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    shorttiminshorttimin regular Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Man, I used to play every weekend when I was stationed in north carolina, but now that I'm back in california, it's just way too expensive!

    Anyone in the Bay Area can recommend a place? Hopefully a field somewhere that doesn't have it's own "team" that are all buddies with the ref and act like dicks to someone who's not a regular?

    My Angel has been sitting in my closet for about two years now. Still works great though, just need a new macro line.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    I have two friends who used to play for Joy Division, they were over in the states and played a lot. Don't know how they're doing now though.

    That's actually really awesome, Joy Division is a top team in Europe.

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    HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I used to play recreational paintball in Northern VA. Now I really want to again. I just wish it weren't such an expensive hobby.

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    jefe414jefe414 "My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter" Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    JebusUD wrote: »
    If paintball was an accurate tactical simulation I would fucking love it and play constantly. The teams get a basic layout of the playfield and surrounding buildings just a few hours in advance.

    Round 1 team A gets 10 minutes or so to position themselves on the playing field and in buildings etc. Then Team B has to head in.

    Round 2 they switch roles.

    Best 3 out of 5 or something.

    (edit: I guess that's not really the point of paintball though.)

    me and my friends used to play paintball this way a few times. One guy had a sweet backyard in the forest, with a hill, down to a ravine and then up to another hill. The second hill had a partial cliff into the ravine. There are also fallen logs by the ravine. And a trail up the back of the second hill.

    Basically, one team would get 10 minutes to go set up on the hill and then the other team would attack. Then we would switch.


    Play in a woodsball league and it's a much more tactical game. Not saying it's better (because it would make an unexciting spectators sport) but I find it more fun to play.

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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    There is SPPL, which is a 10 man tactical league. But it to requires practice and good physical condition if you want to be competitive.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
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    Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Go Legion!

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Looks like they've got the live feed going.

    And yeah, Red Legion is nuts, they have such good off the break shooting.

    Edit: or maybe they just have the sign ups for it, hurm.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Okay, now the live stream is up.

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