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The latest PSP2 rumor: no disks, just digital downloads... for the CURRENT PSP.
If they really want people to use the PSP as is more for downloads, maybe they should either make their memory cards cheaper.
I have no idea why they are so arrogant that they want people to have one set of memory cards for Sony products, and one for everything else. Other than they make more money.
What is the biggest memory card you can put in a PSP anyway?
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
In regards to piracy, I believe Sony is trying to eliminate it through hardware revisions. Last time I looked, there is still no way to run CFW on the newer PSP-3000.
What you say makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately, this is Sony we're dealing with here, a company that cheerfully introduced a $600 console despite everyone and their dog saying that was absolutely stupid.
We could very well see this new PSP be the only type of PSP sold in stores.
Wordherder on
Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
Especially given that PSN's download speeds could, ah, use some work. Downloading patches to the PS3 can literally take hours.
Wordherder on
Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
My games range from about 400 MB to 1.6GB (freaking Loco Roco 2), but you're right. Storage is another issue entirely where I wonder how Sony would pull off a digital distro-only model.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
My games range from about 400 MB to 1.6GB (freaking Loco Roco 2), but you're right. Storage is another issue entirely where I wonder how Sony would pull off a digital distro-only model.
I would hope that they would have it include memory when they sell it. Either built in, or a fairly decent sized HDD/SSDD.
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
Especially given that PSN's download speeds could, ah, use some work. Downloading patches to the PS3 can literally take hours.
Man, people keep saying this. Do you people live in bumfuck nowhere? I've never had a patch take more than ten minutes.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
Especially given that PSN's download speeds could, ah, use some work. Downloading patches to the PS3 can literally take hours.
Man, people keep saying this. Do you people live in bumfuck nowhere? I've never had a patch take more than ten minutes.
In my experience, the PSN (at least as accessed via a PSP) is significantly slower than Xbox Live when it comes to downloading content, even when both are connected to the internet via the same wireless network connection.
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
You can still find a PSP-2000.... if you go to the aftermarket. Once the PSP-3000 came out, new retailers stopped selling the 2000. And once the PS2 lite came out, new retailers stopped selling the fat. Sure, there are different models of the PS3, but the differences between them are relatively minor (at least going by what Joe Consumer will notice). Do you really think that Joe Customer, when presented with a PSP with a disk drive and a PSP without one at the same or close prices, will really willingly choose the disk drive-less one? Hell, a huge number of us savvy tech nerds wouldn't choose the drive-less one given the comments here. Sony really has more motivation to discontinue the disk version than to keep it going.
Wordherder on
Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
A PSP-2000 can be FOUND, but only because there is existing stock that was never sold.
The product line itself has been discontinued.
If Sony wants to push DD, then that is what they are going to push. It is ABSOLUTELY insane to say that they are going to drop the drive, but still support the drive as well. No one would buy the 4000, if that were the case, because you can STILL download games on to the models with drives, but only the drive models can play discs.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
Especially given that PSN's download speeds could, ah, use some work. Downloading patches to the PS3 can literally take hours.
Man, people keep saying this. Do you people live in bumfuck nowhere? I've never had a patch take more than ten minutes.
Well, good for you.
I've had patches take ages.
And I live in the suburbs of DC, with a FIoS connection. The problem isn't on my end.
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
You can still find a PSP-2000.... if you go to the aftermarket.
I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post, because... Really?
In Stock.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
A PSP-2000 can be FOUND, but only because there is existing stock that was never sold.
The product line itself has been discontinued.
Yes, because the PSP-3000 is essentially the same hardware (in addition to curbing piracy.) If the hardware revision splinter in a significant fashion, such as removing the UMD drive, then there'd be more incentive to maintain two revisions.
You're suggesting that Sony would remove a significant feature from a product, and then leave that revision up on the shelf next to a version that still has that feature.
Unless you expect Sony to sell the sans-drive PSP for MUCH cheaper than the one with a drive, that would be the worst product move EVER.
You're suggesting that Sony would remove a significant feature from a product, and then leave that revision up on the shelf next to a version that still has that feature.
Unless you expect Sony to sell the sans-drive PSP for MUCH cheaper than the one with a drive, that would be the worst product move EVER.
It sounds to me like you are assuming the devices are identical aside from the removal of the UMD drive, which is quite absurd.
I mean, no one would buy a slimmer PSP with identical features, NO ONE!
Or a DS with larger, and brighter screens, sans GBA slot.
You guys are so up in arms over this. Its as if this was going to replace all PSPs, even the ones you already own.
Let loose a little guys, and understand that this will compliment the existing models of PSP. If Sony finds that people truly prefer the UMD drive, then they'll still make available the PSP-3000 or design a new PSP-5000 adding the drive back in.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
You can still find a PSP-2000.... if you go to the aftermarket.
I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post, because... Really?
In Stock.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
Well, good for amazon and their unsold stock. But I just checked Best Buy and Wal-Mart, where people are most likely to wander in and buy one, and they don't sell them.
Wordherder on
Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
You're suggesting that Sony would remove a significant feature from a product, and then leave that revision up on the shelf next to a version that still has that feature.
Unless you expect Sony to sell the sans-drive PSP for MUCH cheaper than the one with a drive, that would be the worst product move EVER.
It sounds to me like you are assuming the devices are identical aside from the removal of the UMD drive, which is quite absurd.
I mean, no one would buy a slimmer PSP with identical features, NO ONE!
So you're making up new features in your head in order to justify your arguments?
ALL that the rumor has said is removal of disc drive, and a sliding screen to make the unit more compact. If you are going to insist that there are other secret features that we don't know about, and then base your arguments ON those secret features, then you're just full of shit.
You're suggesting that Sony would remove a significant feature from a product, and then leave that revision up on the shelf next to a version that still has that feature.
Unless you expect Sony to sell the sans-drive PSP for MUCH cheaper than the one with a drive, that would be the worst product move EVER.
It sounds to me like you are assuming the devices are identical aside from the removal of the UMD drive, which is quite absurd.
I mean, no one would buy a slimmer PSP with identical features, NO ONE!
So you're making up new features in your head in order to justify your arguments?
ALL that the rumor has said is removal of disc drive, and a sliding screen to make the unit more compact. If you are going to insist that there are other secret features that we don't know about, and then base your arguments ON those secret features, then you're just full of shit.
Slimming a device is by no means a reason for people to upgrade. The DS Lite and PSP-2000 showed us what failures those revisions were.
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
Anyways, I'll let you guys get back to bitching and moaning.
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
The user base is 50 million. Unless a significant amount of those never buy any UMD games and only pirate or download their games online, the userbase for the UMD drive isn't much lower.
100% digital for a portable device is a brilliant move. Bonus if I can buy indy/homebrew games on the go.
It's a substantially risky move, but I think it's a move Sony is in a position to make, and I'm on board. I don't have a PSP, but this would be tempting.
Slimming a device is by no means a reason for people to upgrade. The DS Lite and PSP-2000 showed us what failures those revisions were.
None of those prevented those buying the new ones from playing most of the games on the old version.
indeed.
Every single game on the DS or PSP 1000 works on their upgraded models.
Even the DSi can play almost every single DS game (game boy advance games are no longer being sold by nintendo, so removing that slot, while I don't personally like it, makes perfect sense for them.)
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
The user base is 50 million. Unless a significant amount of those never buy any UMD games and only pirate or download their games online, the userbase for the UMD drive isn't much lower.
PSP software sales are miserable, while hardware sales are great.
Why do you think people buy PSPs but not it's games?
edit: (well ok, there is a place where PSP hardware and software sales are sort of in alignment, and that's Japan.)
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
The user base is 50 million. Unless a significant amount of those never buy any UMD games and only pirate or download their games online, the userbase for the UMD drive isn't much lower.
PSP software sales are miserable, while hardware sales are great.
Why do you think people buy PSPs but not it's games?
What are the actual numbers?
The fact that some pirates exist does not suddenly mean that ALL PSP owners are pirates.
Also, Pirates aren't going to buy DD. They'll pirate it just like they pirate games now.
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
The user base is 50 million. Unless a significant amount of those never buy any UMD games and only pirate or download their games online, the userbase for the UMD drive isn't much lower.
PSP software sales are miserable, while hardware sales are great.
Why do you think people buy PSPs but not it's games?
Also, Pirates aren't going to buy DD. They'll pirate it just like they pirate games now.
Well, as Gabe Newell says, we know that Pirates are willing to fork up money, after all they buy hardware, it's paying money for software they detest.
Fixed. Sure, pirates will offer up all sorts of explanations for why they pirate, but it all boils down to them being cheap bastards and paying only what's absolutely necessary to get their warez. This is why people buy those ROM cards for DSes for pirate action on that system.
Also, Steam games are pirated like crazy.
Wordherder on
Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
They might lose some sales to piracy, they are still pirated far less then games that have been DRMed and more then make up for the theoretical losses to piracy by having no middle men or distribution costs. On top of that they still manage to sell games for far less which does a good job at enticing those greedy pirates that spend several thousand a year on their pirate boats.
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
The user base is 50 million. Unless a significant amount of those never buy any UMD games and only pirate or download their games online, the userbase for the UMD drive isn't much lower.
PSP software sales are miserable, while hardware sales are great.
Why do you think people buy PSPs but not it's games?
He is maybe not the most skilled sociologist of our age, though.
He does have evidence to back up his claims. Most of his evidence are uncontrolled case studies, but the context of his quote was the piracy of PC games in Russia. They were able to tap into the Russian market and sell games because they were actually offering the games on a decent release schedule in a manner that people can afford to use. The idea isn't "we can stop piracy", but "piracy is a symptom, not a disease."
Steam doesn't stop piracy, but it offers a value-added alternative to piracy. This doesn't matter much for single-player games, but you can't play multiplayer games without a Steam ID or validation. While the hardcore pirate can find workarounds, the casual "I just want to download good games" pirate won't have the technical knowledge to do so, and will rather buy a game to play with his/her friends than go through the hassle.
Well, as Gabe Newell says, we know that Pirates are willing to fork up money, after all they buy hardware, it's the service that they detest.
He was talking about emerging markets that are often ignored by modern producers like Russia, not areas of the world that are fully developed markets where most games are widely available.
If most of the pirates could pirate the hardware using some sort of magical duplicator, they probably would.
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I have no idea why they are so arrogant that they want people to have one set of memory cards for Sony products, and one for everything else. Other than they make more money.
What is the biggest memory card you can put in a PSP anyway?
What you say makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately, this is Sony we're dealing with here, a company that cheerfully introduced a $600 console despite everyone and their dog saying that was absolutely stupid.
We could very well see this new PSP be the only type of PSP sold in stores.
Does your crystal ball also tell you who's going to win the world series this year?
Nothing has been announced, we are discussing how we feel about what is rumored to happen.
And Sony hasn't ever supported multiple versions of the PSP sitting on the shelf together. If the 4000 comes out without a disc drive, that means that Sony is going to stop releasing games on disc, meaning that it WILL affect the 2000 that I already own, because I wouldn't be able to get new discs for it.
I rip my UMDs, so I'm used to seeing how much space games take up both uncompressed and compressed. Most current PSP games (in my personal experience) measure in at over 1GB. After compression, the majority of my games are still around 1GB. Assuming that Sony doesn't want the PSP2 to be a downgrade from the PSP1, we're looking at downloading 1GB of data per game, unless they plan on introducing some revolutionary new compression format. I personally think that the wait times for ~200mb XBLA titles are long enough. Hell, downloading a 50mb demo onto my PSP now already takes a fucking long time. I don't want to sit around for twenty minutes before I can play a game on my PSP.
Especially given that PSN's download speeds could, ah, use some work. Downloading patches to the PS3 can literally take hours.
My games range from about 400 MB to 1.6GB (freaking Loco Roco 2), but you're right. Storage is another issue entirely where I wonder how Sony would pull off a digital distro-only model.
I would hope that they would have it include memory when they sell it. Either built in, or a fairly decent sized HDD/SSDD.
First, a PSP-2000 can still be found, despite the PSP-3000 being the current model.
Second, when the hardware revisions split like this, there is precedent for multiple sony hardware on the market. The PS2 had two models for a while, the PS3 has had multiple models since its release.
Third, if CFW is truly squashed in the PSP-3000, there's no reason (aside from manufacturing costs) for Sony to stop production on that hardware and exclude this target market.
NintendoID: Nailbunny 3DS: 3909-8796-4685
Man, people keep saying this. Do you people live in bumfuck nowhere? I've never had a patch take more than ten minutes.
In my experience, the PSN (at least as accessed via a PSP) is significantly slower than Xbox Live when it comes to downloading content, even when both are connected to the internet via the same wireless network connection.
You can still find a PSP-2000.... if you go to the aftermarket. Once the PSP-3000 came out, new retailers stopped selling the 2000. And once the PS2 lite came out, new retailers stopped selling the fat. Sure, there are different models of the PS3, but the differences between them are relatively minor (at least going by what Joe Consumer will notice). Do you really think that Joe Customer, when presented with a PSP with a disk drive and a PSP without one at the same or close prices, will really willingly choose the disk drive-less one? Hell, a huge number of us savvy tech nerds wouldn't choose the drive-less one given the comments here. Sony really has more motivation to discontinue the disk version than to keep it going.
A PSP-2000 can be FOUND, but only because there is existing stock that was never sold.
The product line itself has been discontinued.
If Sony wants to push DD, then that is what they are going to push. It is ABSOLUTELY insane to say that they are going to drop the drive, but still support the drive as well. No one would buy the 4000, if that were the case, because you can STILL download games on to the models with drives, but only the drive models can play discs.
You're being absurd.
Well, good for you.
I've had patches take ages.
And I live in the suburbs of DC, with a FIoS connection. The problem isn't on my end.
I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post, because... Really?
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
NintendoID: Nailbunny 3DS: 3909-8796-4685
Yes, because the PSP-3000 is essentially the same hardware (in addition to curbing piracy.) If the hardware revision splinter in a significant fashion, such as removing the UMD drive, then there'd be more incentive to maintain two revisions.
Yes, I am the absurd one.
NintendoID: Nailbunny 3DS: 3909-8796-4685
You're suggesting that Sony would remove a significant feature from a product, and then leave that revision up on the shelf next to a version that still has that feature.
Unless you expect Sony to sell the sans-drive PSP for MUCH cheaper than the one with a drive, that would be the worst product move EVER.
You can buy an NGPC is you know where to look.
It sounds to me like you are assuming the devices are identical aside from the removal of the UMD drive, which is quite absurd.
I mean, no one would buy a slimmer PSP with identical features, NO ONE!
Or a DS with larger, and brighter screens, sans GBA slot.
NintendoID: Nailbunny 3DS: 3909-8796-4685
Well, good for amazon and their unsold stock. But I just checked Best Buy and Wal-Mart, where people are most likely to wander in and buy one, and they don't sell them.
Compare the process of downloading and installing demos on a 360 and on a PS3, and you will see what I mean.
So you're making up new features in your head in order to justify your arguments?
ALL that the rumor has said is removal of disc drive, and a sliding screen to make the unit more compact. If you are going to insist that there are other secret features that we don't know about, and then base your arguments ON those secret features, then you're just full of shit.
Exactly.
Slimming a device is by no means a reason for people to upgrade. The DS Lite and PSP-2000 showed us what failures those revisions were.
Never mind how little the user base actually uses the UMD drive. I wish there were stats.
Anyways, I'll let you guys get back to bitching and moaning.
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It's a substantially risky move, but I think it's a move Sony is in a position to make, and I'm on board. I don't have a PSP, but this would be tempting.
Both had their original models discontinued when they were released, which completely goes against your entire point.
Do you even have any idea what you are saying anymore?
indeed.
Every single game on the DS or PSP 1000 works on their upgraded models.
Even the DSi can play almost every single DS game (game boy advance games are no longer being sold by nintendo, so removing that slot, while I don't personally like it, makes perfect sense for them.)
Why do you think people buy PSPs but not it's games?
edit: (well ok, there is a place where PSP hardware and software sales are sort of in alignment, and that's Japan.)
What are the actual numbers?
The fact that some pirates exist does not suddenly mean that ALL PSP owners are pirates.
Also, Pirates aren't going to buy DD. They'll pirate it just like they pirate games now.
google it.
First article: http://playstation.joystiq.com/2008/05/14/psp-hardware-sales-rise-software-sales-stagnate/ Well, as Gabe Newell says, we know that Pirates are willing to fork up money, after all they buy hardware, it's the service that they detest.
Fixed. Sure, pirates will offer up all sorts of explanations for why they pirate, but it all boils down to them being cheap bastards and paying only what's absolutely necessary to get their warez. This is why people buy those ROM cards for DSes for pirate action on that system.
Also, Steam games are pirated like crazy.
Gabe Newell is good at making games.
He is maybe not the most skilled sociologist of our age, though.
He gets results.
Steam doesn't stop piracy, but it offers a value-added alternative to piracy. This doesn't matter much for single-player games, but you can't play multiplayer games without a Steam ID or validation. While the hardcore pirate can find workarounds, the casual "I just want to download good games" pirate won't have the technical knowledge to do so, and will rather buy a game to play with his/her friends than go through the hassle.
If most of the pirates could pirate the hardware using some sort of magical duplicator, they probably would.
What does that even mean?