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I, uh,...no...just no.
1) Marijuana may be harmful. This is fine, because people should be able to do things that may be harmful to themselves (and only themselves) without being thrown in a penitentiary for a mandatory minimum and zero tolerance.
2) This study is bullcrap. As has been stated previously, for every study showing how harmful marijuana is there are 19 more that don't link it with cancer/heart disease/Satan himself. Especially when there are non-smoking ways of ingesting the substance that receive no research whatsoever.
Also, since we seem to be getting into Prohibition territory, you might as well read and learn how it actually started. You will be flabbergasted. I'm serious, your gast will be seriously flabbered.
I really love (aka NOT love) all of these widely held beliefs that come to little statistical meaning. Is it really that difficult for a statistician to weed out possible externalities and give us some real fucking data for once?
Give us a study that has an actual focus on the isolated effects of pot, and help us make educated choices already.
The media's understanding of anything remotely scientific is appalling, and in the UK at least - I can't comment on the news outlet in the first post - newspapers are on a mad crusade to categorise everything that can be ingested or inhaled into objects that either directly cause or miraculously cure cancer, more often than not using a single, flawed, unpublished study as a source. We should wait to see the paper itself before we draw any conclusions from its findings. That said, the numbers seem pretty impressive from the outset, and the sample size was quite large. But since we don't know how subjects were chosen, tracked, what the researchers were looking for, what they found, and how they interpreted those findings, we'd be fools to base any opinion on this paper at present.
You just made me remember that my volcano vape fell off my counter and broke
Also this concerns me as I am a 22 year old pot user who recently had a swollen right tecticle....Although I'm pretty sure its from me recently ingesting laundry detergent on accident, and not cancer. Cause wouldnt that feel like a rock on my ball right? Not like just a giant ball like how this one feels, right?
This has been my favorite post to write ever.
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I've seen papers on THC before and very few involve vaporizers. I've never read one that said, "Absolute link between marijuana and such-and-such proven." It's always, "May cause," "Could be linked to," etc. I'm not just some dude who reads the abstract and then goes on blabbing about how I'm going to change my entire lifestyle due to those findings.
Even this study has "may raise the risk" in the findings. Well, no shit. Did you know that stepping outside your door in the morning may raise your risk of getting hit by an automobile?
Obviously, studies like this will never be able to speak in absolutes, but you did hit the nail on the head when you said that the media sensationalizes findings before they are closely examined or peer reviewed. That's really what I'm opposed to here, but even so there's a niggling little feeling in the back of my head that says to be wary of the conclusions -- just because I don't believe everything I read.
Ninto: Really? Not even a little bit? What about the part where there was never an actual floor vote on Prohibition? How about the little attempt to get at "musicians"? Or the fact that the only people who gained an exemption from the initial prohibition were birdseed lobbyists?
There's a lot of interesting info in that read. Maybe you just knew all of that before?
As much as I love weed, I don't harbour any illusions about its potential health effects. But the truth is, we don't have a lot of solid conclusions. We just don't know that much for sure yet.
Also baked goods.
Seriously? Could be torsion, I'd see a doctor if you have significant swelling. Just because it isn't cancer doesn't mean you can't have permanant testicular damage if it isn't treated.
Yeah, that actually sounds serious. I'd get it checked out.
Swelling can be a sign of cancer, but also a wide range of other things.
Full disclosure, I have a testicular cyst. Had to get an ultrasound and everything. Fortunately harmless.
What I'm wondering about are the effects of laptop computers. My balls must be getting roasted by the thing. Can't be good.
I'm rather...attached to my testicles.
EDIT@ Jealous Deva: Yeah I'd get that checked out man. Overall swelling is probably not cancer (testicular cancer usually presents as irregular lumps coming out of the testicles, not the swelling of the entire testicle), but it definitely ain't anything good.
I called the doctor and he said that it was probably from something irritating my system (this was right after i got over having hives covering my entire body from the detergent) He said to drink a lot of water and come back if it doesn't go away. This was 2 months ago and I think its gotten worse so I have an appointment on tuesday. This shit is scary.
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The thing is, it's not a conclusive study. It's a correlational study. They could have said "Nike shoe wearers are 15% more likely to get HIV than Adidas shoe wearers" and it is potentially just as meaningless.
For example, women who use the birth control pill tend to die at younger ages than women who do not. At first glance, that implies something dangerous about the pill. However, when you think about what else women on BC might be doing (having sex, other risky behaviors) then it makes sense.
I really need to start a thread on this topic at some point.
You live in sweden? Youre fine. Corn on the cob a few times during the summer is fine, or having corn based chips occasionaly.
See in America corn is in almost all processed foods. Its gross.
also, soy is bad.
Okay phew.
I can't express how much it bothers me when people take a single study's correlation to idicate a known, or even likely, causation or conclusion. I smoke tons of pot and I will probably die of diabetes, heart problems, or colorectal cancer because those diseases run in my family and my nutritional lifestyle is less than enlightened. I could have never taken a puff and this will still be the case, because of separate factors.
Again, the only thing that will shed light on the big picture is more research, more research and more research, with a dash of people not jumping to conclusions.
I am in full support of this.
Get a grip.
Nope.
Those things don't really help with our general health, but aside from a rise in some cancers linked to obesity, none of them are giving anyone cancer in any significant amounts. Heavy consumption of milk may or may not cause a slight (20-30%) increase in some cancers, but again it's the same thing as the mariguana example, where you're talking about going from 20 people per 100,000 to 30 people per 100,000.
Compare to smoking, which increases your risk factor for lung cancer, an already fairly common cancer, by 20-30 times depending on risk factors. Not 20-30 percent, but 20 or 30 times.
The main reason people are dying of cancer (aside from tobacco) is simple:
Old age. People are living to be older and older. If you aren't killed by heart disease, stroke, renal failure secondary to diabetes, or some other chronic organ failure or acute exacerbation therof (all of which is pretty much determined by a combination of behavior and family history), and you aren't killed by some kind of accident or infectious disease, then guess what, you're getting cancer.
A large number of cancers take 30 or 40 years to really get going to the point of being a threat to life and well being, and back when people died before age 50 on average from bacterial infections, pneumonia, tuberculosis etc, those cancers never really had much chance to develop, and would either be found on autopsy or never noticed at all.
Honestly I can't think of any jobs that sterility would disqualify you from that are legal to employ people to do anyway.
Edit: Oh I guess sperm donation would be out. Though I think anyone looking to make a career out of that probably needs counseling to begin with.
Would save me money on a vasectomy.
check out the movie Totally Baked, it brings up some interesting facts about the effects marijuana and how it's current legal status came to be. A lot of them are cited from sources you wouldn't expect (like the CDC, National Drug Warning Network, etc.) and can't, realistically, be accused of a pro marijuana bias as a result. It's a fun watch too, intercut with some marijuana-centric standup.
also, sitting down and reading all 3 pages right in a row REALLY makes me wanna bake right now.
Please tell me you're joking.
Chinese eunuchs got paid an assload of money for going under the knife. From what my professor told us, they got to bang the harem girls too, as the emperor didn't care so long as they didn't cause preggers-- after all, how many chicks do you really think the emperor can do in a night?
Its cool man, you won't be needing them. Proceed
First if you leave a harem alone long enough they tend to get bored. Turns out they they abused my internet access to setup some web cam shows, invested the profits in some decent video equipment, and sold the idea to MTV. So new for fall my bored harem girls are now a reality show.
Second no matter how well you explain that your project is for science, if you doing it with no pants on noone is going to take you seriously. Not even your own harem girls.
Third women are in fact like Voltron, except for one week out of the month. Do not show up during that week with no pants and an idea to try something new. Especially if it involves science.
Fourth you can satisfy all of them if you apologize, hug them, bring them some pain medication and something soothing to drink, and then leave them the hell alone.
Attention customers: testicles. that is all.
yeah i know...but it still makes me giggle...which probably makes other people giggle
...giggle,