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John Kerry least popular person in the U.S.

mccmcc glitchRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited December 2006 in Debate and/or Discourse
Quinnipiac university has just released a poll conducted shortly after the elections in which they attempt to measure the 'likability' of various political figures. Apparently John Kerry is now the only person in the U.S. even less popular than George W. Bush. Well, okay, that's not true. There are apparently five people in the United States less popular than George W. Bush. And among these, John Kerry is in dead last.

There's a bunch of news stories floating around that just regurgitate little snippets of this poll, but let's just go ahead and look at the whole thing:
Ranking) Politician - Percentage of americans who "like" that politician (Percentage of Americans who said they don't know enough about the person to tell)

1) Rudolph Giuliani - 64.2. (9)
[MOST POPULAR]

2) Sen. Barack Obama 58.8 (41)

3) Sen. John McCain 57.7 (12)

4) Condoleezza Rice - 56.1 (7)

5) Bill Clinton - 55.8 (1)

6) Sen. Joseph Lieberman - 52.7 (16)

7) NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg - 51.1 (44)

8) John Edwards - 49.9 (20)

9) Sen. Hillary Clinton - 49 (1)

10) N.M. Gov. Bill Richardson - 47.7 (65)

11) Sen. Joseph Biden 47 (52)

12) Nancy Pelosi 46.9 (34)

13) Gov. Mitt Romney - 45.9 (64)

14) Former VP Al Gore - 44.9 (3)

15) President George Bush - 43.8 (1)

16) Sen. Evan Bayh - 43.3 (75)

17) Newt Gingrich - 42 (15)

18) Sen. Bill Frist - 41.5 (53)

19) Sen. Harry Reid - 41.2 (61)

20) Sen. John Kerry - 39.6 (5)
[LEAST POPULAR]
Some small things maybe to notice about this poll:

George W. Bush's personal "likability" ratings are a good ten points higher than his most recent polled job approval ratings.

On the 2008 presidential candidates front, Barack Obama did very well, but an enormous number of people, a full 41 percent, said they didn't know enough about him to make a judgement one way or the other. Mitt Romney fared even worse-- not only did he not score well, but a full 64 percent didn't know enough about him to tell whether they liked him, which scores him worse in the name recognition test than anyone on the list except Evan Bayh and "N.M. Gov. Bill Richardson" (who?). Rudolph Giuliani, meanwhile, not only topped the likability list by a large margin, but nearly everybody has heard of him.

Joe Lieberman, whether the internet hates him or not, got a 52% likability rating, polling higher than any non-retired Democrat except Barack Obama.

At the bottom of the link above, they give comparison shots showing how this same poll has turned out over time-- apparently they've done this same "likability" poll four times this year, and they have the numbers for each. Looking at this, we find:

Russ Feingold was polling quite well in March, getting about 49% likability, but then fell in successive polls and wasn't even included on this poll at all;

We find Nancy Pelosi's likability rating jumped enormously between early September and late November;

and we find that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, though they were not included on the two most recent polls, if we pretend their numbers are the same as they were in June (unlikely; Rumsfeld at least would probably score even lower at this point), they would very nearly get last place, with Cheney slipping in between John Kerry and Harry Reid and Rumsfeld slipping in between Harry Reid and Bill Frist.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    What exactly does "likability" even mean?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    On the 2008 presidential candidates front, Barack Obama did very well, but an enormous number of people, a full 41 percent, said they didn't know enough about him to make a judgement one way or the other.
    Which means only 0.2% said that didn't like him. That's a ridiculous statistic, I don't care how cool he is. Can we really trust a poll that clearly omits racists?

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    People still have a hard-on for Giuliani? Huh.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    What exactly does "likability" even mean?
    They called a bunch of people, read off some names, asked them to rate how much the callee liked each person on the list on a scale of 1 to 100, averaged the results, and called it "likability".

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    What exactly does "likability" even mean?

    it means that this poll is nearly worthless, though this thread could be interesting.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    tynic wrote:
    mcc wrote:
    On the 2008 presidential candidates front, Barack Obama did very well, but an enormous number of people, a full 41 percent, said they didn't know enough about him to make a judgement one way or the other.
    Which means only 0.2% said that didn't like him. That's a ridiculous statistic, I don't care how cool he is. Can we really trust a poll that clearly omits racists?
    I think the likability ratings are culled from only the percent who have an opinion. So that would mean 41.2 percent of 59 percent of those polled didn't like Obama, or in other words 24%.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    That seems like a fairly irrelevant statistic to me. Shit, Bush might be an okay guy out of office, but we're not electing these people based on their performance on a night out.

    Seems like a rather vague and useless term to me.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    mcdermott wrote:
    tynic wrote:
    mcc wrote:
    On the 2008 presidential candidates front, Barack Obama did very well, but an enormous number of people, a full 41 percent, said they didn't know enough about him to make a judgement one way or the other.
    Which means only 0.2% said that didn't like him. That's a ridiculous statistic, I don't care how cool he is. Can we really trust a poll that clearly omits racists?
    Several add up to over 100%, though...so I'm thinking the "don't know who the fuck he is" numbers are separate from the "I like him" numbers.
    Yeah, it's probably 'Of those who know who he/she is, x% like him/her"

    edit: dammit, MC.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Oh no.

    John Kerry is at the bottom of 20 people.

    That means he's the least liked out of all the millions of Americans!

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    but we're not electing these people based on their performance on a night out.
    Of course not.

    We're electing them based on their ability to smile all purty for the tv cameras

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    mcdermott wrote:
    Incenjucar wrote:
    Oh no.

    John Kerry is at the bottom of 20 people.

    That means he's the least liked out of all the millions of Americans!

    Dude, I'm pretty sure that if the asshole who sat behind me last semester in Econ was included in that poll, he'd come in well below John Kerry.

    I'm pretty sure -I- would rank lower.

    Kerry's a moron, but he's not exactly an evil hateful prick.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    but we're not electing these people based on their performance on a night out.
    Of course not.

    We're electing them based on their ability to smile all purty for the tv cameras
    Now I'm depressed. Thanks.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I find this poll kinda suspect.

    I mean, how many people even know who Bill Richardson is, much less what kind of person he is?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    I'll say one thing for my country, we know how to elect ugly motherfuckers.

    Wait, that's not good either.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    I find this poll kinda suspect.

    I mean, how many people even know who Bill Richardson is, much less what kind of person he is?

    According to the poll, thirty-five percent do.

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  • Eliot DuboisEliot Dubois Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    I find this poll kinda suspect.

    I mean, how many people even know who Bill Richardson is, much less what kind of person he is?

    According to the poll, thirty-five percent do.

    Or said they did, I wonder if this poll is lie proof?

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited November 2006
    tynic wrote:
    I'll say one thing for my country, we know how to elect ugly motherfuckers.

    Wait, that's not good either.
    We need to go back to radio.

    Nixon won that debate, God damn it.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    tynic wrote:
    I'll say one thing for my country, we know how to elect ugly motherfuckers.

    Wait, that's not good either.
    We need to go back to radio.

    Nixon won that debate, God damn it.
    If TV gave us Kennedy over Nixon, I'm inclined to look favorably upon TV.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    I find this poll kinda suspect.

    I mean, how many people even know who Bill Richardson is, much less what kind of person he is?

    According to the poll, thirty-five percent do.

    Or said they did, I wonder if this poll is lie proof?

    I guess, but who's going to go to the bother of lying about whether they've heard of "N.M. Gov Bill Richardson"?

    You'd think they'd save up the lies for more important things, like "do you pee in the shower" or "where did you hide the bodies?"

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  • BandettaBandetta Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    IS it idealistic to suggest that we ought to be electing our officials based on their intelligence and qualifications, instead of whether or not they're likable?

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  • Eliot DuboisEliot Dubois Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    mcc wrote:
    I find this poll kinda suspect.

    I mean, how many people even know who Bill Richardson is, much less what kind of person he is?

    According to the poll, thirty-five percent do.

    Or said they did, I wonder if this poll is lie proof?

    I guess, but who's going to go to the bother of lying about whether they've heard of "N.M. Gov Bill Richardson"?

    You'd think they'd save up the lies for more important things, like "do you pee in the shower" or "where did you hide the bodies?"

    See, I don't know about this. Insecure people tend to lie to look smarter than they actually are. "Do you know so and so?" I mean, holding up a picture and asking people to write down who they are would be a very easy way to keep this from happening, but I wonder if they even thought that far ahead.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    tynic wrote:
    I'll say one thing for my country, we know how to elect ugly motherfuckers.

    Wait, that's not good either.

    Heh, DC is the Hollywood for ugly people.

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  • TroubledTomTroubledTom regular
    edited November 2006
    This is why democracy doesn't work.

    Edit: Except for the part about Kerry being least popular HAHA.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I wonder if he's still planning on running in 08?

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    The great thing about the emergence of the internet is that for the first time, people can truly research the candidates without listening to editorializing from newspapers or TV, or those door to door campaigns.

    The sad thing about the emergence of the internet is that far too few people go out and research the candidates, and they have to wade through thousands of pages of crap to do so in the first place.. And you can never be 100% sure if what you are reading is real.

    I've known since I was 17 that politics was a popularity contest. If it wasn't, we wouldn't see so many hate and attack ads.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    So, what we have is an unscientific poll, using a fairly small sample (which uses an unknown sampling method), measuring an undefinable trait. And from this wide reaching conclusions are to be drawn.

    The only use for this poll that I can see is to look at trends in "likability" over time. For example, Kerry's rating has gone from 46.3% to 39.6% since March. This represents a fairly significant drop, even taking the margin of error into account. But, overall, these ratings seem to remain fairly steady over time (at least over the March-November span mentioned on the page).

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Oh, har har!! Take that you dumb lefties!!!!

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    Marty81 wrote:
    I wonder if he's still planning on running in 08?
    He's still making noises et cetera. One would think he'd see the writing on the wall pretty clearly, but it appears not. On the other hand, I suppose that there aren't obvious front-runners to the Dem nomination besides Hillary (who would lose in the general, probably worse than Kerry would) and Obama (who's only pseudo-declared and may not end up throwing his hat in).

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    GoodOmens wrote:
    So, what we have is an unscientific poll, using a fairly small sample (which uses an unknown sampling method), measuring an undefinable trait. And from this wide reaching conclusions are to be drawn.
    Well, no, what we have is a scientific poll by a well-known polling group, using a fairly normal sized or even sort of large sample for this kind of poll (for which the sampling methodology is not specifically explained beyond "random", though calculated margin of error is provided both for this poll and for their telephone poll page), measuring a trait they defined.

    I mean, if you want to claim scientific polling is in one way or another garbage, you'll probably be able to make a fairly convincing case of such, but as far as I see this one isn't any worse or better than any other.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    GoodOmens wrote:
    So, what we have is an unscientific poll, using a fairly small sample (which uses an unknown sampling method), measuring an undefinable trait. And from this wide reaching conclusions are to be drawn.
    Well, no, what we have is a scientific poll by a well-known polling group, using a fairly normal sized or even sort of large sample for this kind of poll (for which the sampling methodology is not explained beyond "random", though calculated margin of error is provided both for this poll and for their telephone poll page), measuring a trait they defined.

    I mean, if you want to claim scientific polling is in one way or another garbage, you'll probably be able to make a fairly convincing case of such, but as far as I see this one isn't any worse or better than any other.

    The "give a number between 0 and 100" is, afaik, nonstandard. I guess it might make sense when viewed as a relative measure.

    edit: giving the mean really ends up hiding the distribution. There's no way of knowing if, say, John McCain is generall slightly well-regarded, while Hillary Clinton is either adored or despised but nothing in the middle.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Irond Will wrote:
    edit: giving the mean really ends up hiding the distribution. There's no way of knowing if, say, John McCain is generall slightly well-regarded, while Hillary Clinton is either adored or despised but nothing in the middle.

    And this is extremely relevant. For the purposes of politics, it's generally better to have everyone think you're kind of okay than to have 55% of the nation love you and 45% of the nation hoping you wind up in the middle of the road one day so they can make the decision to not swerve. When a good number of people loathe you, they're going to go to great lengths to fuck up your chances of getting elected. Which is why Hillary is such a poor choice. Most people at least kinda like her, but those that don't want her to die in a fire.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Irond Will wrote:
    edit: giving the mean really ends up hiding the distribution. There's no way of knowing if, say, John McCain is generall slightly well-regarded, while Hillary Clinton is either adored or despised but nothing in the middle.
    They give the distribution, though. If you look at the link, they spend quite a very large number of pages listing the specific questions they asked and what the number breakdowns (divided into 20 percent chunks) were for each of those questions, like:
    2f. How do you feel about Hillary Clinton? 
    
                                                 Wht     Wht     Wht Evangl/BrnAgn
                         Tot     Men     Wom     Prot    Cath    Christians
    
    
    
    0-20                 32%     36%     28%     41%     33%     46%
    21-40                 9      11       8      10      10      12
    41-60                15      17      14      17      17      15
    61-80                21      21      21      19      22      16
    81-100               20      14      27      11      18      10
    DK                    1       1       1       1       1       2
    RF                    -       -       -       -       -       -
    
    
    
    <50                  43%     49%     37%     54%     43%     60%
    50                    7       7       7       7       8       7
    >50                  48      42      54      37      48      32
    
    
    
    Mean               49.0    44.2    53.7    39.9    47.9    36.3
    
    
    
                         Rep     Dem     Ind     Red     Blue    Purple
    
    
    
    0-20                 67%      7%     25%     35%     29%     32%
    21-40                13       5      10      10       9       9
    41-60                 8      16      22      14      16      16
    61-80                 7      32      24      19      22      23
    81-100                3      40      18      20      23      18
    DK                    2       1       -       1       1       2
    RF                    -       -       -       -       -       -
    
    
    
    <50                  80%     12%     39%     48%     39%     42%
    50                    4      10       8       6       7       9
    >50                  13      77      53      46      53      47
    
    
    
    Mean               20.5    72.6    51.5    46.7    51.9    48.6
    

    You can probably then think of those 20-percent categories as equivalent to "dislike strongly / dislike / like strongly / ..." or whatever, which is a bit more standard than asking to rate on a number scale.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited November 2006
    ElJeffe wrote:
    Irond Will wrote:
    edit: giving the mean really ends up hiding the distribution. There's no way of knowing if, say, John McCain is generall slightly well-regarded, while Hillary Clinton is either adored or despised but nothing in the middle.

    And this is extremely relevant. For the purposes of politics, it's generally better to have everyone think you're kind of okay than to have 55% of the nation love you and 45% of the nation hoping you wind up in the middle of the road one day so they can make the decision to not swerve. When a good number of people loathe you, they're going to go to great lengths to fuck up your chances of getting elected. Which is why Hillary is such a poor choice. Most people at least kinda like her, but those that don't want her to die in a fire.

    Bush has done pretty well with this bipolar distribution. Especially once elected, he's spent six years doing whatever the hell he wanted and not having to make any concessions to anyone. It was really only the absolute depths of incompetance that have landed him in hot water, and even now wer have a lot of people who reluctantly oppose him.

    There are political strengths to different distributions, I guess is what I'm trying to say. A polarizing candidate can be very effective, though he needs to run a much different kind of campaign than a "yay for everyone" candidate.

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  • mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Irond Will wrote:
    Bush has done pretty well with this bipolar distribution.
    It worked quite well for about five or six years. Then it started to backfire, and demonstrated a couple of the downsides of the 51% love / 49% hate solution: for example, that as much as they've been trying to make it so, presidential power doesn't exist in a vacuum and there are other important elections in the united states; or the problem that when you've got a polarizing division like that, it's not that hard for the love / hate margin to slip one way or the other by a percentage point or two. lolz random walks

    I guess what I'm getting at is that the polarizing strategy can work really well, but not in the long term-- and I think that after Bush, a lot of middle-of-the-road voters are going to be actively turned off by anyone (of either party) who tries to take the polarization route for a few years, because they're tired of it. I still think that a lot of why Bush did so well in 2000 is that after the messy end of the Clinton presidency, America just really wanted to vote for someone who didn't seem like a lawyer. I can't help but suspect we're going to see a similar backlash against some of the things that Bush has been in 2008, though I admittedly can't figure out yet which ones.

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    I can't help but suspect we're going to see a similar backlash against some of the things that Bush has been in 2008, though I admittedly can't figure out yet which ones.

    Isn't Hillary pretty much diametrically opposed to Bush? For starters, she's an intelligent, educated, leftist woman who can construct a sentence. If the anti-Bush backlash is strong enough, doesn't that mean that she stands a chance? She's THE anti-Bush without having to make anti-Bushness her political platform.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    mcc wrote:
    Irond Will wrote:
    Bush has done pretty well with this bipolar distribution.
    It worked quite well for about five or six years. Then it started to backfire, and demonstrated a couple of the downsides of the 51% love / 49% hate solution: for example, that as much as they've been trying to make it so, presidential power doesn't exist in a vacuum and there are other important elections in the united states; or the problem that when you've got a polarizing division like that, it's not that hard for the love / hate margin to slip one way or the other by a percentage point or two. lolz random walks

    I guess what I'm getting at is that the polarizing strategy can work really well, but not in the long term-- and I think that after Bush, a lot of middle-of-the-road voters are going to be actively turned off by anyone (of either party) who tries to take the polarization route for a few years, because they're tired of it. I still think that a lot of why Bush did so well in 2000 is that after the messy end of the Clinton presidency, America just really wanted to vote for someone who didn't seem like a lawyer. I can't help but suspect we're going to see a similar backlash against some of the things that Bush has been in 2008, though I admittedly can't figure out yet which ones.

    I also think there's a difference between a newbie and an incumbent. Nobody really hated Bush before he got into office. Once he was in office, he had the experience/stay-the-course thing working to his advantage.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    How the hell can people still like Guiliani

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