I'll spare the long-winded details and just get right into it, because I'm sure you've all had enough of really long explanations of stuff.
I've got this mate. I've known him for about 6 or 7 years now, and throughout that entire period of time he's never shown any outward signss of being gay or even bi. Like, at all. Nothing. No obvious clues.
But there's some stuff that's been going on recently that makes me doubt it. I'll start with the stuff that doesn't really indicate that he's either gay or that he likes me.
- He's started talking to me on MSN More. Now we talk on MSN a lot. Always have. But recently it seems that every time I sign on he's the first one to talk to me, whereas before it was just occasional small-talk when he didn't have anything to do.
- He's been taking a lot of opportunities recently to be shirtless around me. Whenever it's me, him, and all our other mates he doesnt, but quite often if it's just me and him hanging out together he will, at some point, take his shirt off.
And now we get to the much more obvious stuff:
- His internet history has quite a lot of gay porn sites on it. now don't get me wrong, I don't make a regular thing of checking my mate's history, but he went to the loo and i was just sat there and I'd always wondered what the hell he got up to that meant he barely ever left his computer, so I checked. And about 70% (at a rough guess) of the sites he'd visited in the past 24 hours of me checking were of the homosexually pornographic persuasion.
- Okay, this one's gonna tip the scales in my opinion. Me and my mates often make unbelievably stupid and ridiculous bets with one another over irrelevant things (classic example is Darry and Jase once seeing who could fit as many Rich Tea biscuits into their mouths and the loser had to buy the winner 3 cactuses). Anyway, a few months ago Gavin and I were on our own round his place, and he made this bet over who could watch porn the longest before getting a boner. It's the sort of bet that's too stupid to turn down, plus I'm a royal moron, so I agreed. I should have backed out when I heard the wager too. Loser had to suck the winner's dick.
Now in our history of idiotic wagers, sex stuff has never come up before. So this was a shock to say the least. The bigger shock was that I agreed, and subsequently lost, so I had to "fulfill my end of the bargain", which I did. About a week later, he made the same wager over a game of pool, so I agreed and lost again.
The blowjob wagers do seem to suggest he is gay, or maybe just bi, because I don't know of many straight guys that'd make a bet that would involve another guy sucking them off. And the gay porn on his history is also a very suspicious thing.
Also I should explain this guy does have a lot of random one-night-stands with random skanks he finds at bars or parties or street corners, or wherever else he looks for them. Now it might just be that he likes sleeping with a different chick every night as I've got this bit totally wrong but it seems like a textbook example of overcompensating for his possible homosexuality.
Summary: A friend likes being partially naked around me, looks at gay porn on a frequent basis, sleeps around and has set me up to give him a blowjob twice. Is he gay and does he like me?
I should explain before someone responds with ("why did u suck him off just cause u lost a childish bet?") that I am both gay, and a man of my word. Hell I bought my mate Reggie a set of curtains because he could spit further than me for god sake!
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I think you're over-thinking things here.
Or bi.
The fact that after looking at gay porn and getting one blowjob he still wanted another blowjob says, "well past experimenting" to me.
That's incredible.
What kind of porn were you watching? If you, a gay man, was aroused before he was, a supposedly straight man, while watching straight pornography, that's what I would classify as extremely interesting.
The fact that you've sucked him off twice might even be making him think you like him. That's the kind of thing that people who like each other do.
Is there anything that would stop you from asking him his orientation?
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It was straight porn, but I really dunno why I got turned-on before he did. I think maybe it wasn't so much the porn itself as it was watching it with him.
Sucking him off would be the sort of thing a person who likes him would do, but it would also be the thing a person who always upholds his word no matter how weird the charge is would do. Besides it wouldn't be so bad if he thought I did like him. Cause I kinda do. A little bit.
And the thing that would stop me asking his orientation is the slim possibility of getting my ass handed to me.
Man, if he wasn't interested he wouldn't have given those terms of the bet. No matter what happens in that bet, you are going to engage in a gay sex act together. It's something he wanted to happen.
If you like him as well then the next step seems obvious to me.
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The fact that he, with no provocation, made a bet that would involve either you blowing him or him blowing you means he wants one of those two things to happen, but is too scared/nervous to flat out ask it. So he uses your group of friends' well-known habit of making weird bets with weird payoffs to get himself in that situation.
And the next stage is obvious but the aforementioned "getting my ass handed to me" scenario is putting me off pursuing that stage of action.
Just throwin that out there.
Also... that bet... has to be the ultimate put up or shut up bet i have ever heard of. "If you lose, suck my cock.." Wow.
Just.. wow.
"wow" perfectly sums it up, yeah. I know that's what I said when he threw down that gauntlet.
I've heard some flooring bets in my days, but that one just made me so that if I was a cartoon my jaw would have broken the floorboards.
Agreed. He is gay or bi. There is NO WAY a straight guy would make that bet, he would be too freaked out, even by a gay guy sucking his dick.
Maybe I'm projecting here, that is also a possibility.
I'd say wait and see what happens. If he doesn't start to let on more that he's actually interested in you maybe bring it up gently when it's just the two of you.
Also, no need to be so damn rude!
Fire at will. Or Rob. Or whatever his name is.
I mean COME ON.
No it fucking isn't.
I have to agree- a person who always upholds he's word wouldn't have agreed to the bet if he wasn't interested in doing that in the first place imo...
some things are embarrassing, other things cross the line most men wouldn't (i.e. bjs)
But giving is much gayer than recieving. You can recieve a blowjob from another guy and still not technically be gay.
You can also give a blowjob and not be gay...
edit: I should have said "straight men" in the other post.
According to who? The Gay Society for Extremely Gay Men Who are Extremely Gay But Not Really?
OK, I don't know what kind of people you've met over the course of your lifetime... but straight men generally do not give or receive blowjobs from other men.
But the odds of both get significantly lower the more often you seek it out.
Stevie, you are either dumber than a bag of hammers, or thicker than the great wall of China. He is gay. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay. He may still be in denial about it, but his behavior indicates he's getting less and less uncomfortable. If you don't feel comfortable approaching him yet, don't. He's not going to get any less gay if you treat him the same way you always have. But if you like him enough that you want to grab him before he switches his attention from female skanks to male skanks, you'd better pounce.
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'Is it gay in here, or is it just me?'
That may be the best pickup line I've heard in a long time.
Putting his penis in your mouth is one thing, but asking him about his sexual orientation might make things awkward. :rotate:
"No way, man! Chicks! CHICKS!!"
"Oh. Well... can we make another one of those dick-sucking bets?"
"You're on!"