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SamSam Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
My department has a LOT of instructors who seem to basically want to be everyone's friend. They grade papers extremely smoothly, and I recall one who would give quizzes that merely checked if someone had glanced through the reading (i.e the first line of a poem with a blank for you to fill in)
Some did even less than that, and just berated the class for non participation, adding that quizzes were pointless because he used to fake his way through them.

I guess I was wondering what makes them want to be like that. Some seem to literally hand out only A's and B's to everyone, given how much love you hear about them.

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  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    My department has a LOT of instructors who seem to basically want to be everyone's friend. They grade papers extremely smoothly, and I recall one who would give quizzes that merely checked if someone had glanced through the reading (i.e the first line of a poem with a blank for you to fill in)
    Some did even less than that, and just berated the class for non participation, adding that quizzes were pointless because he used to fake his way through them.

    I guess I was wondering what makes them want to be like that. Some seem to literally hand out only A's and B's to everyone, given how much love you hear about them.

    When I was in High School I took my English classes very seriously. When we read The Grapes of Wrath EVERYONE followed the same cookie cutter no critical thinking neccesary thesis for their essay. I wanted to do something else, think outside the box. I did and got a C- where the stoners got a "A's" for following the thesis my teacher helped point out throughout the entire book.

    Pissed me off.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You want us to tell you why your individual professors are the way they are?

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Why are you applying your anecdotal evidence to an entire profession?

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Does this negatively impact their ability to impart information or skills?

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    My department has a LOT of instructors who seem to basically want to be everyone's friend. They grade papers extremely smoothly, and I recall one who would give quizzes that merely checked if someone had glanced through the reading (i.e the first line of a poem with a blank for you to fill in)
    Some did even less than that, and just berated the class for non participation, adding that quizzes were pointless because he used to fake his way through them.

    I guess I was wondering what makes them want to be like that. Some seem to literally hand out only A's and B's to everyone, given how much love you hear about them.

    When I was in High School I took my English classes very seriously. When we read The Grapes of Wrath EVERYONE followed the same cookie cutter no critical thinking neccesary thesis for their essay. I wanted to do something else, think outside the box. I did and got a C- where the stoners got a "A's" for following the thesis my teacher helped point out throughout the entire book.

    Pissed me off.

    When teachers give you an assignment in High School you write what they want to hear. It's homework, you're not writing a master's thesis.

    I frequently recited the same words my history teacher used in class in my essays and he loved it. A+

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Does this negatively impact their ability to impart information or skills?

    no.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    Does this negatively impact their ability to impart information or skills?

    no.

    Oh.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    Does this negatively impact their ability to impart information or skills?

    no.

    Make a thread about it?


    Seriously what's this thread for?

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  • NarianNarian Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Why are you applying your anecdotal evidence to an entire profession?
    Because this is a Sam thread.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    Does this negatively impact their ability to impart information or skills?

    no.

    Oh.
    I'm kind of confused what the goal here is.

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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Are you talking about High School or College? I'd argue that all High School classes are like that, because the teachers aren't doing what they want to either they are going from a program that they are given.

    I've never had a really easy college English professor as most of them are brutal and want real indepth analysis with a bunch of sources and give very loose guidelines so that students have to work to come up with an idea.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Magell wrote: »
    Are you talking about High School or College? I'd argue that all High School classes are like that, because the teachers aren't doing what they want to either they are going from a program that they are given.

    I've never had a really easy college English professor as most of them are brutal and want real indepth analysis with a bunch of sources and give very loose guidelines so that students have to work to come up with an idea.

    I've also noticed that English teachers tend to dislike making actual grade guidelines and prefer to just grade based upon how you contribute to the discussion, so the reason why the tests are easy and just require you to read to thing is because they just want to insure everybody keeps up.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Let's make things more interesting: I'm an English professor, and I don't do most of the bullshit mentioned on this page. I'm only an adjunct since I'm part-time and finishing up a graduate degree, but I teach some of the same classes as full-time, tenured faculty.

    All of my essay assignments have the grading criteria listed after the assignment, including a breakdown of exactly how many points each category is worth. Usually I break it down in to "argument and analysis," "structure," and "mechanics," but I throw "formatting" in there too if it's a composition class and they are new to MLA.

    While I don't want to be anyone's "friend," I am friendly and I do go to great lengths to make myself available and open to discussion. Teaching English, depending on the level, the course, and a ton of other shit, is different from teaching other topics. A good teacher will teach someone not only the facts and the history of a text, but they will (or should) also teach students how to read something critically. Part of teaching this is coming up with engaging topics to discuss in class that rely heavily on developing a rapport with students and having them actively participate. Is it possible you're mistaking this type of class participation with some type of desire for your teachers to be everyone's friend?

    This is obviously just as anecdotal as the experience in the OP, so it's obviously not going to be true for everyone.

    Let's talk about lawyers though. I hear they're all assholes and just want your money...

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Magell wrote: »
    Are you talking about High School or College? I'd argue that all High School classes are like that, because the teachers aren't doing what they want to either they are going from a program that they are given.

    I've never had a really easy college English professor as most of them are brutal and want real indepth analysis with a bunch of sources and give very loose guidelines so that students have to work to come up with an idea.

    you do realize that highschool teachers develope their own curriculum right?

    they have latitude in grading metrics as well.

    its not like they have to grade and teach as they do. they have certain topics they have to cover... but covering might be "playing scrabble while watching the cartoon adaptation of macbeth"....

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    My department has a LOT of instructors who seem to basically want to be everyone's friend. They grade papers extremely smoothly, and I recall one who would give quizzes that merely checked if someone had glanced through the reading (i.e the first line of a poem with a blank for you to fill in)
    Some did even less than that, and just berated the class for non participation, adding that quizzes were pointless because he used to fake his way through them.

    I guess I was wondering what makes them want to be like that. Some seem to literally hand out only A's and B's to everyone, given how much love you hear about them.

    When I was in High School I took my English classes very seriously. When we read The Grapes of Wrath EVERYONE followed the same cookie cutter no critical thinking neccesary thesis for their essay. I wanted to do something else, think outside the box. I did and got a C- where the stoners got a "A's" for following the thesis my teacher helped point out throughout the entire book.

    Pissed me off.

    When teachers give you an assignment in High School you write what they want to hear. It's homework, you're not writing a master's thesis.

    I frequently recited the same words my history teacher used in class in my essays and he loved it. A+

    I had a history professor last year that absolutely hated when you wrote what you thought he'd want to hear. He loved when students challenged him, brought new ideas/theories to the table, and taught him something. Consequently, he is probably the best teacher I've ever had.

    On the other hand, the teacher in my management class this semester (she was also the teacher of my macroeconomics class last year) is totally useless. She also likes handing out As, and the people who work hard get the same grades as the ones who are useless lazy assholes.

    At our school, each professor/instructor is allowed to submit students who go "above and beyond" in their classes. It's a nice little recognition, and both of these teachers nominated me (so that's two cool little things to throw into resumes). However, the useless teacher put every person in the class in for the award, even the one who decided to not show up for half the semester. I mean, I'll still take advantage of that piece of paper, even though it means nothing to me.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    See, in my schools, the lazy useless bastard teachers just hand out C's and D's. Because my school is full of assholes.

    And god help anyone in the harder sciences, there are classes with F averages taught by people who can't speak English. And not because they're from another country.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    See, in my schools, the lazy useless bastard teachers just hand out C's and D's. Because my school is full of assholes.

    And god help anyone in the harder sciences, there are classes with F averages taught by people who can't speak English. And not because they're from another country.

    Are you from Texas?

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Let's make things more interesting: I'm an English professor, and I don't do most of the bullshit mentioned on this page. I'm only an adjunct since I'm part-time and finishing up a graduate degree, but I teach some of the same classes as full-time, tenured faculty.

    All of my essay assignments have the grading criteria listed after the assignment, including a breakdown of exactly how many points each category is worth. Usually I break it down in to "argument and analysis," "structure," and "mechanics," but I throw "formatting" in there too if it's a composition class and they are new to MLA.

    While I don't want to be anyone's "friend," I am friendly and I do go to great lengths to make myself available and open to discussion. Teaching English, depending on the level, the course, and a ton of other shit, is different from teaching other topics. A good teacher will teach someone not only the facts and the history of a text, but they will (or should) also teach students how to read something critically. Part of teaching this is coming up with engaging topics to discuss in class that rely heavily on developing a rapport with students and having them actively participate. Is it possible you're mistaking this type of class participation with some type of desire for your teachers to be everyone's friend?

    This is obviously just as anecdotal as the experience in the OP, so it's obviously not going to be true for everyone.

    Let's talk about lawyers though. I hear they're all assholes and just want your money...

    I don't know, didn't you read the OP

    I feel like sam presented some pretty compelling evidence

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Take some graduate level English classes and see if the professors "hand out" A's.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Take some graduate level English classes and see if the professors "hand out" A's.

    I am in such a class right now. This professor obviously will not be doing any such thing, as a glance at the syllabus show. I'm wondering what makes instructors up to the 300 level be all buddy buddy though.

    Note that I don't consider any instructor I've had to be incompetent. I just think it's somewhat insincere.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    English teachers of any value thrive on real, well-considered argument. My profs absolutely loved it when I actually challenged their statements or gave them new ways to look at things rather than simply being passive or pleasant. It's certainly possible that, since most students taking English courses don't give a shit about English, they've gotten cynical about things and have taken to settling for whatever makes life easier, a great number of them got into English from their own passion, and would rather engage in the critical arts rather than simply recite them.

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    Sam: Are you upset because people are being pleasant even if they don't like you...? Some people just like to be nice.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    English teachers of any value thrive on real, well-considered argument. My profs absolutely loved it when I actually challenged their statements or gave them new ways to look at things rather than simply being passive or pleasant. It's certainly possible that, since most students taking English courses don't give a shit about English, they've gotten cynical about things and have taken to settling for whatever makes life easier, a great number of them got into English from their own passion, and would rather engage in the critical arts rather than simply recite them.

    --

    Sam: Are you upset because people are being pleasant even if they don't like you...? Some people just like to be nice.

    i think all of those professors liked me in the way they basically like everyone.

    Perhaps what I'm really miffed about is uneven departmental evaluation standards.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    My English profs gave me fair marks when I screwed up even when they absolutely adored me. I don't think it's a universal issue.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    You know what I'm miffed about?


    A Goddamn Livejournal thread

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