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GM CEO to resign (Obama bites instead of barks)

RussellRussell Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
The BBC, CNN and others are reporting this.

BBC:
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The chief executive of the struggling US car company, General Motors - Rick Wagoner - has agreed to step down.

He will leave his post immediately at the request of President Barack Obama's administration, a senior official confirmed to the BBC.

The news comes as the president prepares to announce new plans to help GM and fellow car giant, Chrysler.

The two car manufacturers have already received $17.4bn (£14.4bn) in support, and are seeking as much as again.

GM plans to axe 47,000 jobs and Chrysler 3,000, as well as shedding a number of car models.

The job cuts would take place by the end of 2009 and are the largest work force reduction announced by a by a US firm in the current downturn.

Mr Wagoner, 56, has headed GM for almost six years, after first joining the company in 1977.

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Also, Obama plans to announce more details on the automotive industry's restructuring on Monday. So what does this mean in terms of the auto bailout(s) and the administration's economic recovery plan as a whole?

I think this is a good sign. It shows an understanding executive ineptitude is the cause of much of the American auto industry's problems and it shows the will to force a change of leadership. I wish the administration (and congress) were as tough on the financial sector as they are on the auto industry though.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Yeah, that is some bite all right, though I'd have preferred he start with Chrysler. I'll take it, though.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.

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  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?
    What do you think elections are for?

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

    If by "step down" you mean "fail to win reelection," yes.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

    This is one reason why we have term limits. Executives don't traditionally have term limits.

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

    Yup. In 2013.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

    really?




    really?

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    Obs on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So the question becomes if our president is unable to fix the country, will he step down?

    If the country goes into Receivership I would expect as much.

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  • RussellRussell Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Gosling wrote: »
    Yeah, that is some bite all right, though I'd have preferred he start with Chrysler. I'll take it, though.

    I don't think Chrysler's management is out of the woods.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    And if mud were actually ice cream my backyard would be delicious.

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    And if mud were actually ice cream my backyard would be delicious.

    And if everyone grew lawns on the roofs of their houses we could save a lot of energy.

    Obs on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Wagoner looks so sad in that OP photo....let's send him some money to cheer him up!

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    And if mud were actually ice cream my backyard would be delicious.

    And if everyone grew lawns on the roofs of their houses we could save a lot of energy.

    I actually pictured that on skyscrapers and tall buildings. Houses, not so much.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cantido wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    And if mud were actually ice cream my backyard would be delicious.

    And if everyone grew lawns on the roofs of their houses we could save a lot of energy.

    I actually pictured that on skyscrapers and tall buildings. Houses, not so much.

    That would be pretty sweet. How much money do we need to give out in tax dollars to make this happen?

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Cantido wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    And if mud were actually ice cream my backyard would be delicious.

    And if everyone grew lawns on the roofs of their houses we could save a lot of energy.

    I actually pictured that on skyscrapers and tall buildings. Houses, not so much.

    That would be pretty sweet. How much money do we need to give out in tax dollars to make this happen?

    None. You contract actual private companies to construct them.

    Compelling concept, I know.

    Obs on
  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    So in one case of executive ineptitude we have someone being told to step down. However if the person requesting that action reveals ineptitude they should have to be forced out instead of resigning.

    These CEO's fucked up, if he fucks up should he not follow his own advice?

    Oh well, lets watch and see what happens.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So in one case of executive ineptitude we have someone being told to step down. However if the person requesting that action reveals ineptitude they should have to be forced out instead of resigning.

    These CEO's fucked up, if he fucks up should he not follow his own advice?

    Oh well, lets watch and see what happens.

    If in fact the American people think he fucked up they will kick him out of office in four years, yes.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So in one case of executive ineptitude we have someone being told to step down. However if the person requesting that action reveals ineptitude they should have to be forced out instead of resigning.

    These CEO's fucked up, if he fucks up should he not follow his own advice?

    Oh well, lets watch and see what happens.

    are you seriously saying that a top executive of a private company is the same thing as a president elected by the people of this country to serve in the government's top executive position

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So in one case of executive ineptitude we have someone being told to step down. However if the person requesting that action reveals ineptitude they should have to be forced out instead of resigning.

    These CEO's fucked up, if he fucks up should he not follow his own advice?

    Oh well, lets watch and see what happens.

    Do you just not understand the basic concept of our system of government or do you just like being overtly antagonistic?

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    So in one case of executive ineptitude we have someone being told to step down. However if the person requesting that action reveals ineptitude they should have to be forced out instead of resigning.

    These CEO's fucked up, if he fucks up should he not follow his own advice?

    I know that it can be really hard to tell nowadays, but corporations and government are actually different. Shocking.

    Also you're acting like it's unprecedented for a president to resign.

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  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Right but the American people have to kick him out. Which is my point. Should he not, hypothetically, at the point where he realizes hes failed step aside as opposed to waiting to be kicked to the curb like he requested this CEO do?

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    Right but the American people have to kick him out. Which is my point. Should he not, hypothetically, at the point where he realizes hes failed step aside as opposed to waiting to be kicked to the curb like he requested this CEO do?

    what point would that be

    could it possibly be the point where the american people vote him out

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.

    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.

    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    Even more so, if GM didn't need more bailout money this would be socialism. If they were doing fine after the first hot-cash-injection, they still could have told Obama to blow them.

    That's true. I didn't look at it that way before.

    Obs on
  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    Right but the American people have to kick him out. Which is my point. Should he not, hypothetically, at the point where he realizes hes failed step aside as opposed to waiting to be kicked to the curb like he requested this CEO do?

    Given that things started out Very Bad, at what point would you say a forced resignation is in order? As has been pointed out, resignations in the presidency are not unheard of.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.

    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.

    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    Even more so, if GM didn't need more bailout money this would be socialism. If they were doing fine after the first hot-cash-injection, they still could have told Obama to blow them.

    This is the first CEO who was requested to step down though. And compared to some of the other companies receiving bailout money, GM is getting peanuts.

    Don't get me wrong, this guy was a big part of the problem, and he should go, but you've got to think a bit about what happened here...

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    Right but the American people have to kick him out. Which is my point. Should he not, hypothetically, at the point where he realizes hes failed step aside as opposed to waiting to be kicked to the curb like he requested this CEO do?

    If he ran the government into the ground so badly that God (or whatever) has to give the country a cash infusion to not go bankrupt, then yes.

    Until then your analogy is retarded.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    I know we've had this conversation before, but again, do you actually know what the word socialism means?

    If GM hadn't taken bailout money they'd be bankrupt, in which case the government coudl tell management to do whatever they felt like, as long as it could be reasonably be expected to help salvage the company.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Actually the more interesting question to me is why haven't they required the CEOs of the various financial companies to step down? Some of them did because of shareholder pressure, but not all, and they just got a nifty photo op at the White House.

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  • ObsObs __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    I know we've had this conversation before, but again, do you actually know what the word socialism means?

    If GM hadn't taken bailout money they'd be bankrupt, in which case the government coudl tell management to do whatever they felt like, as long as it could be reasonably be expected to help salvage the company.

    I don't think socialism means what you think it means anymore.

    Obs on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Detharin wrote: »
    Right but the American people have to kick him out. Which is my point. Should he not, hypothetically, at the point where he realizes hes failed step aside as opposed to waiting to be kicked to the curb like he requested this CEO do?

    When China takes partial ownership of the country, rather than just giving us loans, I would expect him to resign from the office, yes.


    Could you explain how China or whoever else would be capable of doing such a thing, though, because it doesn't seem possible in any sense of the word unlike the Federal Government bailing out private enterprise and is the only analogous way your posts make any sense.

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  • RustRust __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Actually the more interesting question to me is why haven't they required the CEOs of the various financial companies to step down? Some of them did because of shareholder pressure, but not all, and they just got a nifty photo op at the White House.

    Probably because some of those CEO's own enough of our government so that they don't have to listen.

    But hey one incompetent rich-as-shit scumbag is going to be unemployed for a couple of weeks until he squirms into another high-paying position, so this is a nice start!

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    I don't think socialism means what you think it means anymore.

    Obs, without going to Wikipedia or the dictionary, please define socialism for us.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    More to the point, as much as I'm glad to see a harder line on failed companies that are basically a bottomless hole for federal money, this is a good first move but if it isn't followed up with similar actions at the financial banks I'm going to start having a real problem with the Obama administration.

    GM and Chrysler are a mess, but both in terms of the resources they've sucked up and damaged they've done to the larger economy they're orders of magnitude better than almsot any of the major financial firms, yet they've had a harder time of it and been forced to make wildly more concessions than any of those firms. If the boards and executives at places like AIG are still in place three months from now when GM has been forced to renegotiate worker contracts and sack their leadership there's going to be a hell of a backlash and rightly so.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Rust wrote: »
    Actually the more interesting question to me is why haven't they required the CEOs of the various financial companies to step down? Some of them did because of shareholder pressure, but not all, and they just got a nifty photo op at the White House.

    Probably because some of those CEO's own enough of our government so that they don't have to listen.

    But hey one incompetent rich-as-shit scumbag is going to be unemployed for a couple of weeks until he squirms into another high-paying position, so this is a nice start!

    It was a rhetorical question.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Obs wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    Waiting for the cries against socialism...

    I gotta say, though, this is awesome. I don't much care about one executive, but if its indicative of a future pattern of accountability, I'm all for it.


    If GM hadn't taken bailout money, this would be socialism.


    Otherwise, GM's CEO could have told Obama to go fuck himself.

    I know we've had this conversation before, but again, do you actually know what the word socialism means?

    If GM hadn't taken bailout money they'd be bankrupt, in which case the government coudl tell management to do whatever they felt like, as long as it could be reasonably be expected to help salvage the company.

    I don't think socialism means what you think it means anymore.

    You don't know what Socialism means period.
    Obs wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    You don't know what socialism is or how influential it was before the cold war, do you?

    No.

    And frankly I don't give a damn.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Hachface wrote: »
    Obs wrote: »
    I don't think socialism means what you think it means anymore.

    Obs, without going to Wikipedia or the dictionary, please define socialism for us.

    I'll take "Whatever republicans are paid to say it is" for $400 Alex.

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