It's better but the drawing is still extremely unclear. I don't know how big this is but I'd agree with ND that it looks like you're drawing too small. There's too much messiness.
I still have no idea what's going on in most of his interior. Is that a towel in his lap? His legs look like they're from a cow or something--hoofed and with weird musculature and joints. His right leg seems to have pants while the other doesn't. The interior of his left arm also doesn't make any sense, it's just a bunch of scribbles.
I agree it's too small, and messy, but that's mainly because I was just working out the proportions (and trying to get the basics of the clothing right--it's Splinter, since that didn't come out right, and in a, well, something supposed to resemble a kimono...robe thing)--though I know, that's not really an excuse; the legs are...well, yeah, that's why the legs are...less humanish. I don't think I've got enough time to do the proper studies, so I suppose I'll try and wing something...passable. Again, this is why I need to work more on non-observational drawing...
Now I'm just perplexed. If it's supposed to be splinter, a rat, why does he have the chest segments and the round face of one of the turtles? There's basically nothing ratlike about this.
Now I'm just perplexed. If it's supposed to be splinter, a rat, why does he have the chest segments and the round face of one of the turtles? There's basically nothing ratlike about this.
Oh, no, he's not Splinter; the one one his lap is (oh dear, it's really unclear, isn't it?); now I'm not sure this is worth pressing on with...
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The fact that I'm doing this means I didn't do it right, but hopefully this makes the drawing a bit clearer:
Now I'm just perplexed. If it's supposed to be splinter, a rat, why does he have the chest segments and the round face of one of the turtles? There's basically nothing ratlike about this.
Kindly disregard everything below this line, as I'll be over it in an hour or two. Seriously for serious.
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[ninja edit] fffffffffffff-nevermind. I'm being a stupid mopey child. Basically, thanks for the mentioning, everything you mentioned is stuff I already thought about before I posted, which is why this piece is in the doodle thread, because I stopped caring, and I'm already feeling incredibly shitty about myself for not being able to do what I consider must be incredibly basic things. Just another slump in the rollercoaster that is Jen's art confidence and "feeling shitty about art"-o-meter.
So should I feel like a jerk or not? Because I'm kind of picking up on maybe I should feel like a jerk- I didn't intend to kick anybody in the self-confidence ribs.
So should I feel like a jerk or not? Because I'm kind of picking up on maybe I should feel like a jerk- I didn't intend to kick anybody in the self-confidence ribs.
Short answer, "yes" with an "if." Long answer, "no" with a "but."
No you shouldn't.
TAM - It goes without saying, but that picture is really cool.
Jesus fucking christ it takes so long to draw things on a computer. took me a whole fucking hour to draw this page in my childrens book thats due teusday.
I have 28 more of these to go ughrhahsdhahsf
edit; I didn't notice the guy's left foot is too tiny until just now, going to let it slide for the project though.
who's that one poster who did the webcomic of the desert planet in all cg-renders? I recall him having a character that looks similar to the character on the left.
who's that one poster who did the webcomic of the desert planet in all cg-renders? I recall him having a character that looks similar to the character on the left.
That was DE?AD, he had that skinny spectral skull guy.
Alright, I think my self-confidence is ready for another go at this (to be perfectly honest, I'm still not sure it's a good idea, but I do want it to be better):
I'm messing up on the folds pretty big-time, and in general, I think I've got too much local contrast as opposed to global contrast (lighting without a direct reference is a mystery I've never been able to decipher), but I was wondering if there was anything else, and/or if anyone could help out with the former problems.
May I ask why you're using charcoal? It's not a good medium for detail, unless you're working relatively large. Honestly it may be best for you to do this piece in pencil.
I suppose mainly because I'm not very good with getting a good range in value with pencil. Not to say that I'm particularly good with charcoal, either, but, you know, better. That with the fact that I'm bad enough making up a general picture, to say nothing of actually putting detail in there, and...well, basically, it's my coward's medium?
EDIT: I feel like that wasn't a very good answer...
When I originally conceived of the idea I've got in my head, I was thinking of something with a strong light source. I know I sort of mucked that up in the rendering, but with that sort of picture in mind, I felt that charcoal was the best way of achieving the kind of picture I had in my head. I think you're right, though, that the value that charcoal has in that respect came with the sacrifice of detail that I didn't adequately consider when I first started, even on this (slightly) bigger version, although I feel like if I had the proper tools (a fresh stump, and a charcoal pencil), I might be able to get something better out of the drawing. I suppose it would then have been a matter of my forgetting to consider the tools at my disposal, and the limitations they might bring.
I suppose mainly because I'm not very good with getting a good range in value with pencil. Not to say that I'm particularly good with charcoal, either, but, you know, better. That with the fact that I'm bad enough making up a general picture, to say nothing of actually putting detail in there, and...well, basically, it's my coward's medium?
EDIT: I feel like that wasn't a very good answer...
When I originally conceived of the idea I've got in my head, I was thinking of something with a strong light source. I know I sort of mucked that up in the rendering, but with that sort of picture in mind, I felt that charcoal was the best way of achieving the kind of picture I had in my head. I think you're right that the value that charcoal has in that respect came with the sacrifice of detail that I didn't adequately consider when I first started, even on this (slightly) bigger version.
Get thee a pencil! I think it'll be a lot easier for you than dealing with charcoal, seriously. I think charcoal is much more difficult to control than pencil...and learning how to work with graphite could help you with charcoal, too!
I shall work on my pencil collection, then; in the meantime, would it be horribly ungrateful of me to finish this one drawing with the charcoal? I do value the advice, but given the deadline, and the time it'd take me to start anew, I feel pressing on might be the most expedient option in this case (though if I'm wrong here, let me know, and I can give the starting over bit a go, too).
EDIT: Jesus, this had better be the last time I edit this:
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EDIT: But how about the anatomy? I realize it doesn't read with the charcoal, so reverting back to the pencils underneath it:
Is it even worth drawing over?
I still have no idea what's going on in most of his interior. Is that a towel in his lap? His legs look like they're from a cow or something--hoofed and with weird musculature and joints. His right leg seems to have pants while the other doesn't. The interior of his left arm also doesn't make any sense, it's just a bunch of scribbles.
Oh, no, he's not Splinter; the one one his lap is (oh dear, it's really unclear, isn't it?); now I'm not sure this is worth pressing on with...
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The fact that I'm doing this means I didn't do it right, but hopefully this makes the drawing a bit clearer:
No i`m pretty sure he`s holding splinter
Oh God what did I do.
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EDIT: Also, Tam, awesome drawing. Even if I'm not sure what she'd look like under that suit.
that and my original petulance has lost a little drive
what the fuck kind of kit kat wrapper is that?
Aw man, that is wikid sick!
Short answer, "yes" with an "if." Long answer, "no" with a "but."
TAM - It goes without saying, but that picture is really cool.
And my comic with all the semiotic signs...
Check out the GREAT typography! :winky:
I have 28 more of these to go ughrhahsdhahsf
edit; I didn't notice the guy's left foot is too tiny until just now, going to let it slide for the project though.
That was DE?AD, he had that skinny spectral skull guy.
other than that, I dig the illustration; it has kind of Tim Burton meets Persepolis feel to it.
I'm messing up on the folds pretty big-time, and in general, I think I've got too much local contrast as opposed to global contrast (lighting without a direct reference is a mystery I've never been able to decipher), but I was wondering if there was anything else, and/or if anyone could help out with the former problems.
EDIT: I feel like that wasn't a very good answer...
When I originally conceived of the idea I've got in my head, I was thinking of something with a strong light source. I know I sort of mucked that up in the rendering, but with that sort of picture in mind, I felt that charcoal was the best way of achieving the kind of picture I had in my head. I think you're right, though, that the value that charcoal has in that respect came with the sacrifice of detail that I didn't adequately consider when I first started, even on this (slightly) bigger version, although I feel like if I had the proper tools (a fresh stump, and a charcoal pencil), I might be able to get something better out of the drawing. I suppose it would then have been a matter of my forgetting to consider the tools at my disposal, and the limitations they might bring.
Get thee a pencil! I think it'll be a lot easier for you than dealing with charcoal, seriously. I think charcoal is much more difficult to control than pencil...and learning how to work with graphite could help you with charcoal, too!
quote me, brotilines
EDIT: Jesus, this had better be the last time I edit this:
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EDIT: For the love of--meh, it's alright, we'll call it botp and leave it at that.