Dynamics Homework problem - help!

XanoXano Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Here's the problem so far guys, any help is appreciated.

The 20,500-lb helicopter is at rest on the ground at time t = 0. Its pilot advances the throttle so that the upward thrust exerted by the rotor as a function of time t is:

T = 18000+1000t lb.

Plot the height of the helicopter as a function of time for t = 0 to t = 6 seconds.

Ok, Here's where I'm aiming at thus far:

I know Sum of F = MA.

I know the mass (20,500/32.2), and the forces (weight acting down/ Thrust acting up at time t). I just need to solve for a(t), then integrate it to get the v(t), and then once more to get x(t). I did all this, but my answers don't seem reasonable when I plug in my time values.

Thanks for any help!

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  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Xano wrote: »
    Here's the problem so far guys, any help is appreciated.

    The 20,500-lb helicopter is at rest on the ground at time t = 0. Its pilot advances the throttle so that the upward thrust exerted by the rotor as a function of time t is:

    T = 18000+1000t lb.

    Plot the height of the helicopter as a function of time for t = 0 to t = 6 seconds.

    Ok, Here's where I'm aiming at thus far:

    I know Sum of F = MA.

    I know the mass (20,500/32.2), and the forces (weight acting down/ Thrust acting up at time t). I just need to solve for a(t), then integrate it to get the v(t), and then once more to get x(t). I did all this, but my answers don't seem reasonable when I plug in my time values.

    Thanks for any help!

    Could you post the work you have done so far?

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  • Dance CommanderDance Commander Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Check your units.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    DO people really do dynamics in lbs? I am not sure what the divide by 32.2 thing is.

    >_>



    However, the initial force downwards is

    20500g => 9.81*20500


    Compare this to

    18000 + 1000t force upwards.

    Equate the two.

    t = 183.105 secods before it gets off the ground.

    Ok, so basically. I cannot help you due to some kind of unit conflict that makes no sense to a man who works in metric. Sorry fella.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    the net force (its probably lb-f teslan) is 18000 +1000t - 20500 or 1000t-2500 solving this says that the helicopter stays on the ground for 2.5 seconds.

    after 2.5 seconds the force is 1000t

    also, since you have a non uniform force, you can't use F=ma, you need to use f = m dv/dt swap the dt to the other side and integrate to get: mv = 500t^2 - 500(2.5^2) (you integrate from t=2.5 to t=t)

    your mass is 20500/32.17 or 637.24. solve for v and you get v= .785t^2 - 4.9. v=dx/dt so you integrate again to get x = .261544t^3 - 4.9t +8.1633.

    so your final function is

    H = 0 for t<=2.5
    H = .261544t^3 - 4.9t +8.1633 for t>2.5

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    lb-f?

    Holy shit I cannot believe they actively teach in imperial measurements.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    lb-f?

    Holy shit I cannot believe they actively teach in imperial measurements.

    They're all just numbers and units, the process of getting the answer should be the same.

    That said, they're not supposed to be using US-standard for measuring in any science classes anymore. I think, when doing equations with gravity, this is the one stupid exception to that.

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  • SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    lbs are a unit of force.

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  • Dance CommanderDance Commander Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    Ok, so basically. I cannot help you due to some kind of unit conflict that makes no sense to a man who works in metric. Sorry fella.

    The ability to work in different unit systems is really crucial, even if you work in metric, because you might need to convert between CGS and MKS, etc. The value of g you used is in [m/s^2] which is why your answer makes no sense. Trust me when I say that you need to learn unit analysis. You won't always have convenient problems given to you by professors where you just use the numbers and don't worry about the units.
    Unit analysis is also an excellent way of checking your final result when working a problem--if you're trying to calculate a time and get units of time-distance then you have a problem.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    lb-f?

    Holy shit I cannot believe they actively teach in imperial measurements.

    They're all just numbers and units, the process of getting the answer should be the same.

    That said, they're not supposed to be using US-standard for measuring in any science classes anymore. I think, when doing equations with gravity, this is the one stupid exception to that.

    engineering still uses us standard for most everything.

    my intro to aero course made us use slugs and the like. in fact, aside from the theory courses most of them were in us standard.

    also,

    lb or lbf are forces

    slugs or lbm are masses.

    lb is a pain because sometimes people do use it as a mass without labeling it lbm. so look at the context of the problem. since the helicopter weighs 20500, its a weight which is a force.

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  • SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    lb-f?

    Holy shit I cannot believe they actively teach in imperial measurements.

    They're all just numbers and units, the process of getting the answer should be the same.

    That said, they're not supposed to be using US-standard for measuring in any science classes anymore. I think, when doing equations with gravity, this is the one stupid exception to that.

    engineering still uses us standard for most everything.

    my intro to aero course made us use slugs and the like. in fact, aside from the theory courses most of them were in us standard.

    also,

    lb or lbf are forces

    slugs or lbm are masses.

    lb is a pain because sometimes people do use it as a mass without labeling it lbm. so look at the context of the problem. since the helicopter weighs 20500, its a weight which is a force.

    Only engineering in the USA uses metric.

    Engineering in all the countries I work in (everywhere other than the USA) uses metric.

    Serpent on
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