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The most clean shave ever

IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Slight back story:

I'm going on a cruise soon, and I, as well as my soon-to-be-wife, really like it when my face is smooth as butter. The only way I've really gotten it smooth is just a normal razor, but I don't want to have to shave every day on the cruise, or shave in the morning but be sandpaper by night, when it will be most important to have a smooth face.

What I'm asking: What is out there that will actually remove the roots of the hairs on my face? I've tried the cream that is supposed to do it, like Nair, but that didn't work at all really. I've heard of waxing the face, but I'm pretty nervous about that, because it is waxing... so does anybody have any experience with any of these and would like to share?

Thanks.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    How soon are you going? In a couple of weeks you can learn how to get a smoother than you've ever had before shave with a DE safety razor or a straight razor.

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    Shorn Scrotum ManShorn Scrotum Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wet shaving is pretty awesome for smoothness, though it will not remove the roots.

    Wash your head with hot water (opens the pores), lather it up without drying off, shave, rinse with cold water to seal up those pores and then use a non-alcoholic aftershave.

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    How soon are you going? In a couple of weeks you can learn how to get a smoother than you've ever had before shave with a DE safety razor or a straight razor.

    I've got 62 days, so I'm willing to try almost anything.

    Do tell me more?

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    SmallLadySmallLady Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I highly recommend waxing. it doesn't really hurt that much. (and i get areas waxed that are WAY more sensitive then your face.)

    You will have to shave every few days after like.. 1-2 weeks. but the hair growth will be really light.

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    pengupengu Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Here is the routine I use when I want that just peeled egg look on my face.

    First shave as normal (safety razor and shaving cream and what not), then apply shaving cream again, but this time shave against the grain (carefully, otherwise you'll get a sleuth of shaving bumps) and voila!

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    SmallLady wrote: »
    I highly recommend waxing. it doesn't really hurt that much. (and i get areas waxed that are WAY more sensitive then your face.)

    You will have to shave every few days after like.. 1-2 weeks. but the hair growth will be really light.

    I've definitely thought about waxing, because it is the most reliable way to remove the roots... I might give this a try and see if it is too painful.

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    DibsDibs Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Am I the only one that thinks there's more to this story?

    *shrug*

    The straight razor doesn't sound like a very good idea though. Yeah, it's going to be very smooth but you're still going to need to do it every day. On the other hand, I didn't even know waxing your face was an option.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Shaving both ways (with and against the grain) gives you a smoother shave, but the chance of cutting yourself in sporadic, bloody, dots is extremely high.

    I second the nomination for safety razor wet shave. I shave daily with this method and thoroughly enjoy shaving each day.

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    exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I thought waxing facial hair was a big no-no because it can damage the skin or the way the skin attaches to the face muscles or something.

    Unfortunately I don't have any better advice than the others. I hate shaving, but it does feel good to have a real smooth face which I can only accomplish once in a blue moon without having bumps all over the next day. I use a Mach 3 and when I can brave it I will shave against the grain all over. If I'm careful I won't bleed too much and my face will feel awesome for about 6 hours. More often than not, though, I get ingrown hairs forming uncomfortable bumps or red marks from cuts. So I just lazy shave with the grain and feel like sandpaper all the time.

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    Mega PlayboyMega Playboy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I am in the same boat as you exoplasm. I use tea tree extract but it make my face smell.

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    FagatronFagatron Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You guys need to learn how to shave if you're cutting yourself when you're going against the grain, dang.

    I'd like to offer better advice than "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" but I guess it just came naturally and I never had a problem with it really. :(

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    DjinnDjinn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Shave in the evening before you go out for dinner. Dont overthink this.

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    Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Djinn wrote: »
    Shave in the evening before you go out for dinner. Dont overthink this.
    It took thirteen posts to come to this?

    Really, if you're blessed/cursed with a thick enough beard to be stubbly ten hours after shaving, then you'll just have to step up you shaving routine. You could opt for laser hair removal on your face, but you'll never be able to grow a beard again. Considering the cost, and considering that you could achieve the same effect by shaving a few hours before needed, I'd just go with the razor.

    If you want a really close shave, a straight razor is your best bet. However, they can be costly and the maintenance is time-consuming (you have to hone the blade regularly, and strop it every day). A safety razor might be better--not as much maintenance, but it's a better shave than even the most high-tech disposable razors.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    There is a lot of technique required for a good wet shave. I think its worth it, not only do I get a wonderfully close shave but it makes a zen like moment for me to start the day off. And I like to pamper myself with things.
    Now there can be a "high" cost of entry. I spent over $150 on my start up gear and I got a lot of stuff on sale. I have a Merkur Heavy Duty razor, I prefer Feather blades, and a Simpsons Super Badger PJ2 brush.
    http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74560
    Awesome article and awesome forum.

    Suggestions to help you save time. Get whatever razor you want, they will all hold the blade. Most people seem to prefer the Merkur HD and suggest it to beginners. It's solidly build, easy to move, and unlike the Futura model isn't so big you can't shave under your nose. Feathers are some of the sharpest blades you can get, you want a sharp blade. You will get a better shave in the end with a sharp blade. Any brush will create lather. Boar hair brushes are cheap and stiff and don't hold too much water (you need a controlled about of water to make a good lather), badger is more expensive and the more expensive it is the softer it usually is. Badger also holds more water. I would get a badger, but again, either will work.
    There are a zillion soaps and creams out there. Read some reviews at Badger and Blade and just get something.
    Hell, just get this.
    http://www.leesrazors.com/products/Ultimate-Beginner%27s-Double-Edge-Setup.html
    Good store, good package, fair price. Within a year you'll probably be coming even with cost because these blades are so damned cheap.

    There is a learning curve with these razors. I never tore myself up because I took my time. After a couple of weeks I could regularly get a reeeeal good shave.

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    TrentusTrentus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    As a newbie wet shaver (got my grandad's old razor a week ago and have been using it since) I'd have to say that it might be a good idea to spend a little more on a nice brush. The $4 brush I got at the supermarket just feels horrible. The tube of cream I got from there seemed to do a nice job though. It just doesn't smell all that great. It would be nice to get some scented soap or cream. Might make a good gift for my birthday...

    As far as closeness of shave goes, so far it's about as good as my ole vibrating Fusion thingy would do. I've only cut myself twice. Hopefully I'll be able to manage a closer shave as my technique improves.

    Also, slight hijack, if anyone knows a place in Melbourne where I can find a range of blades and other stuff, hook me up. I'd love to see how they compare (using Wilkinson Sword at the moment).

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    GrimmyTOAGrimmyTOA Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Straight-razor fans: Keep in mind that the OP is asking for shaving advice for a cruise. I'm sure that he could avoid killing himself, but rough seas + relative newness to straight-razor shaving != a good time.

    For the purposes of the cruise I'd just recommend shaving right before dinner. Have a scorching hot shower, use a good sharp razor, and take your time.

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Before you run out and buy a $150 badger brush, read this thread first

    http://www.shavemyface.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35880

    Also, before you run out and buy 900 Feather razors, do realize that Feather razors are 'shit me not' sharp. While they do give you a awesomely close shave every time you use them, they also leave your face feeling like it just lost it anal virginity by the Hulk using chalk for lube.

    I personally like Derby Extra more the Feather. With the Derby I can get away with being a bit more sloppy and going over a area more then a few times over to get my face extra smooth and not worry about irritation.

    The thing to think about when choosing a razor is not 'How sharp can my face stand it'.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I've actually got a bunch of blades I got in a sample pack that I won't use. I'll mail em for free to anyone wanting to get into usign a safety razor. Buncha different types too.
    US only.

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    exoplasm wrote: »
    I thought waxing facial hair was a big no-no because it can damage the skin or the way the skin attaches to the face muscles or something.

    I did a bit more research last night on the subject and it seems that this is the case. Many waxing places will wax everywhere on a mans body but the face, so I'll avoid this solution for the time being.
    Djinn wrote: »
    Shave in the evening before you go out for dinner. Dont overthink this.

    I really don't mind over thinking it though, because it is the one and only time in my entire life that I want to have my face as perfect as possible for as long as possible. If there is a way to do it, I'm going to do it, yes for personal reasons, but thats what it is.
    There is a lot of technique required for a good wet shave. I think its worth it, not only do I get a wonderfully close shave but it makes a zen like moment for me to start the day off. And I like to pamper myself with things.
    Now there can be a "high" cost of entry. I spent over $150 on my start up gear and I got a lot of stuff on sale. I have a Merkur Heavy Duty razor, I prefer Feather blades, and a Simpsons Super Badger PJ2 brush.
    http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74560
    Awesome article and awesome forum.

    Suggestions to help you save time. Get whatever razor you want, they will all hold the blade. Most people seem to prefer the Merkur HD and suggest it to beginners. It's solidly build, easy to move, and unlike the Futura model isn't so big you can't shave under your nose. Feathers are some of the sharpest blades you can get, you want a sharp blade. You will get a better shave in the end with a sharp blade. Any brush will create lather. Boar hair brushes are cheap and stiff and don't hold too much water (you need a controlled about of water to make a good lather), badger is more expensive and the more expensive it is the softer it usually is. Badger also holds more water. I would get a badger, but again, either will work.
    There are a zillion soaps and creams out there. Read some reviews at Badger and Blade and just get something.
    Hell, just get this.
    http://www.leesrazors.com/products/Ultimate-Beginner%27s-Double-Edge-Setup.html
    Good store, good package, fair price. Within a year you'll probably be coming even with cost because these blades are so damned cheap.

    There is a learning curve with these razors. I never tore myself up because I took my time. After a couple of weeks I could regularly get a reeeeal good shave.

    Woah. I knew there was a lot involved in using high-quality equipment, but as that first link says, I am very surprised to see such a huge following for it. I'll definitely look into these much more for the future, because it does sound quite refreshing, and using the standard Mach 3 or whatever never does the job right, and leaves my (ever so sensitive) face bloody even shaving with the grain, especially after a few shaves when the blades lose their sharpness so quickly.
    GrimmyTOA wrote: »
    Straight-razor fans: Keep in mind that the OP is asking for shaving advice for a cruise. I'm sure that he could avoid killing himself, but rough seas + relative newness to straight-razor shaving != a good time.

    I was wondering about this too, but I don't think it will be a problem, since I've heard that on most cruises, you don't even feel the boat moving, so it might be okay.

    Thanks for all the help/advice, I'll keep looking into all the suggestions.

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    GrimmyTOAGrimmyTOA Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Icemopper wrote: »
    GrimmyTOA wrote: »
    Straight-razor fans: Keep in mind that the OP is asking for shaving advice for a cruise. I'm sure that he could avoid killing himself, but rough seas + relative newness to straight-razor shaving != a good time.

    I was wondering about this too, but I don't think it will be a problem, since I've heard that on most cruises, you don't even feel the boat moving, so it might be okay.

    Thanks for all the help/advice, I'll keep looking into all the suggestions.

    I've only ever been on one cruise. Most days, I felt no movement. One day, I felt tons of movement. It's going to depend on where you're cruising (open vs closed water, etc etc), where your cabin is, and (obviously) the weather.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Son of a bitch - my wallet hates pretty much all of you right now after reading up on all of this. Excellent information and it's got me thinking about going with a safety razor myself.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Your wallet should love us, you will save money in the long run.
    How much do blades cost you now? How often do you change them?

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Your wallet should love us, you will save money in the long run.
    How much do blades cost you now? How often do you change them?

    Yeah, thats always been an issue for me is the cost. I have to replace 4 blades pretty frequently, and it costs up to 8 bucks each time.

    These safety blades and straight razors definitely intrigue me, but which one should I go with?

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Your wallet should love us, you will save money in the long run.
    How much do blades cost you now? How often do you change them?

    Actually, my practices in shaving are a bit more savage and brutish - so much so, that I'll just spare everyone and say it's not a best practice. Is this http://www.leesrazors.com/ site the best or can I make do with a trip to Amazon?

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I've actually got a bunch of blades I got in a sample pack that I won't use. I'll mail em for free to anyone wanting to get into usign a safety razor. Buncha different types too.
    US only.

    Do you still have those? A friend of mine got me a starter kit of soaps and badger brush from the art of shaving. I've been using my mach3 to shave, though, which seems like it misses the point. It's just not giving me the edge I need.:winky:

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You know I'm going to be the odd man out. I use a vibrating fusion and shave against the grain. I get an incredibly smooth shave that lasts a couple of days.

    The key difference is I do not use shaving creme/foam/soap at all.

    I use this:
    http://www.shavesecret.com/

    It's a shave oil. You get your face nice and wet with really hot water (I do it in the shower) put a few drops of this in your palm (I use more than the directions say because I'm a big guy) rub your hands together, then massage the oil into your face. Then splash on some more hot water. Shave.

    When I do this slowly and take my time, it's the most luxurious shave ever, and that's from plebian disposable razor blades.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Call me weird, but I don't want oily hands when I drag a blade across my face.
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I've actually got a bunch of blades I got in a sample pack that I won't use. I'll mail em for free to anyone wanting to get into usign a safety razor. Buncha different types too.
    US only.

    Do you still have those? A friend of mine got me a starter kit of soaps and badger brush from the art of shaving. I've been using my mach3 to shave, though, which seems like it misses the point. It's just not giving me the edge I need.:winky:
    They will be of no use to you without a safety razor. Be sure your lather technique is up to par. Sure a sharp edge is important, but your lather should be slick and thick.
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Your wallet should love us, you will save money in the long run.
    How much do blades cost you now? How often do you change them?

    Yeah, thats always been an issue for me is the cost. I have to replace 4 blades pretty frequently, and it costs up to 8 bucks each time.

    These safety blades and straight razors definitely intrigue me, but which one should I go with?

    Toss up. A straight razor requires stropping and honing to keep sharp (there is a straight out there that uses disposable blades). There are people who provide that service for you, but you should aim to learn for yourself. It's also a fairly different style of shaving than you are used to and quite a bit more intimidating, so you are probably going to focus on your technique more. A safety razor is closer to what you are used to, which means it won't be as intimidating but you might fall back into old habits and really cause some damage. The two things to keep in mind for both types is a near lack of pressure and blade angle. All of which comes with practice, and considering how much pressure you use on a cartridge razor, its quite a change.
    I went with a brand new safety razor because it seemed easier to get into. After a couple months with it, I'm really itchin for a straight blade for little more than the awesome factor. I also want some more vintage equipment. I doubt my grandfather still has his, pitty.

    General tip 1) Don't use the blade that comes with whatever razor you buy, it won't be sharp enough

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Call me weird, but I don't want oily hands when I drag a blade across my face.

    Ok. You're weird. You're thinking of a vegetable oil, prat fall looney tunes oily and it's not like that at all. My hands aren't left the least bit slippery. Not going to argue about that but I felt this needed clarification as that was a comment that gives a grossly inaccurate portrayal of the product.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Then color be interested.

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    SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Alright. The consumer whore is bustin out of my pants and demanding some products on the route to having a better shave. I'm about to pull the trigger on the following from Fendrihan:
    Merkur 23C Long-Handle Double-Edge Razor
    Apothecary Mug and Stand (separate items)
    20 Derby Blades
    Best Badger Brush
    Col. Conk's Amber and Bay-Rum Soaps (1 each)
    Provence Sante Green-Tea Aftershave
    

    All of it seems to get pretty good reviews from Badger and Blade. All of it just over $150, so free shipping. Has Slagmire lost his mind or is temporarily ignoring the economy going to be good for the man's face? (I just got done making the final payment on my car, so it's not quite breaking the bank - still, $150 is $150.)

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I really like Conk soap, its a great price and the smells are great. I use almond and it smells like almond cookies, yum. You don't need a stand to keep your stuff nice (but they do look good), and the bowl I use I got from a cheap store around here. It's about 4in across the top with a tapered in bottom which seems about right to lather in while holding.
    Get a sample pack of blades from http://westcoastshaving.com/ and be sure to get some Feathers. Maybe you don't want to learn with a feather blade, but when you decide its time to get more aggressive and go after a baby butt smooth shave, you're gonna wanna try them.
    Like I said, I can just send you some unused blades I got in my sample pack that I won't return to.

    I also find a nice after shave lotion to help keep everything feeling good, but when it comes to aftershaves its mroe a personal preference than anything.

    You might want to get a shave cream for comparison to the soap. I put a little Porasso cream into my shave bowl, load my brush from thhe Conk soap, then lather it up. If I've got my terminology right, this is called a super lather. Mmm, super.

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If price is a issue (honestly $150 is a lot of money to throw down to experiment with something new), you can get good safety razors off Ebay. I gotten my Gillette Super Speed for $7 off ebay and my Omega boar brush for $20.

    Of course, some people might have a hard time taking a 40 years old safety razor to ones face. I mean who knows how many nasty fuckers that razor has seen. Personally I dont care, it just shows you just how well built these safety razors are and just how long they last. Obvously you do want to clean a old safety razor before use. Just dont dip it in some highly toxic cleaning agent, rinse it for a second, and go off shaving with it. All that toxic chemicals will go right to your face and it will not be a pleasant experience.

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    IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yeah 150 is a really large price to drop right before a wedding, right after I made the final payment on a cruise, and right before I have a job.

    I'll check out eBay, and hit up Improvolone maybe to get some blades I can change out so I don't put a used one to my face, that just sounds bad.

    Thanks for all the help, I'm thinking waxing is definitely out, and the creams just don't work, so I'll probably have to shave every night, but it'll be worth it easily.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Also check out the Badger and Blade BST forum, might be able to get a used razor in good condition.

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    Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wash your head with hot water (opens the pores), lather it up without drying off, shave, rinse with cold water to seal up those pores and then use a non-alcoholic aftershave.

    As an addendum to this, my uncle shaves in the shower on the basis he'll have a lovely warm open face after a couple of minutes in there. He has a portable mirror thing he uses in there. :-)

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Yeah 150 is a really large price to drop right before a wedding, right after I made the final payment on a cruise, and right before I have a job.

    I'll check out eBay, and hit up Improvolone maybe to get some blades I can change out so I don't put a used one to my face, that just sounds bad.

    Thanks for all the help, I'm thinking waxing is definitely out, and the creams just don't work, so I'll probably have to shave every night, but it'll be worth it easily.

    You won't get a used blade in any razors you order, used handle or not.

    You can find a safety razor and blade combo on ebay for like $20-30. You don't need little holders, fancy soaps, or a special brush. For now, go to Walmart and buy a boar hair brush (like $5) and a puck of soap (like $3) and get to it.

    You can upgrade later when you're more skilled with the blade.

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    Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh god, dont buy that crappy VD brush. You'll just waste your money on that POS.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Now would I get whatever shitty soap Walmart has when you can get some Col Conk online.

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    FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Because I was talking to the OP, who likely does not want to jump feet first into this idea without finding out if it's for him.

    Like I said, all the fancy products can come later--for now, just find out if you enjoy wet shaving with a safety razor, and whether or not you consider the shave close enough.

    While fancy soaps, expensive brushes, and top end razors are all nice to have, not having them at first is not going to make or break your opinion on safety razors.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    A shitty soap will make a shitty lather and give you a shitty shave. No, he doesn't need a forty dollar of shave cream. I do agree that a nearly any brush will function.

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