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Buying Desktop (Help)

Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Looking for help/advice in buying a desktop, The old one I have is out of date and craps out on me everyday. So I have CS:S and enjoy high preformance high speed computers (doesn't everyone) I also enjoy games like Civilization IV and other city building games, am also playing Crysis. So Since I have been searching I find it pointless since I know nothing of what I would need to enjoy Crysis, I am looking at the intel site and see some crazy stuff but would really like some help from here please. I have 1500 $ to spend (I know its not alot) but I also have to eat and pay bills, I could wait and save up but that could take months. So would you guys please guide me through this darkness ?

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Have you considered building one? With that money, you could get a really great rig that will play all those games on high or very high, and it would last into the future for a while too.

    I'd say check out the build a computer thread, you'll spend a lot less for a lot more than buying one pre-made.

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Yes, and building a computer isn't a difficult thing. 99% of it is just follow some basic "plug cord A into socket A" and such.

    It'll save you a lot of money and you'll likely get a better product for it.

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    There's also the possibility you just can't really grow a bear like other guys.

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    sweet sounds like a good plan

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sin Twin 1 wrote: »
    sweet sounds like a good plan

    If, on the off chance you have a friend who has built a comp before, it wouldn't hurt to have him watch you put it together. That way if you have any questions about what you're doing (you might have 2 or 3 for the whole process) he will be right there to give you an answer.

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    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    There's also the possibility you just can't really grow a bear like other guys.

    Not even BEAR vaginas can defeat me!
    cakemikz wrote: »
    And then I rub actual cake on myself.
    Loomdun wrote: »
    thats why you have chest helmets
  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Having a friend there even if you're both new at it is still a great option. I recently built my computer with no prior knowledge with a friend there. I had gotten all the right parts (which the technology forum can help with) and we just sat down together and took a day to figure it all out. We took it nice and slow, read everything multiple times and just had a good time.

    I was nervous, but it went more smoothly than buying a desktop, and the feeling of elation you'll receive from a job well done can't be matched by anything.

    Good luck!

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Have you got a computer currently?

    Opening one up and taking it apart (with extensive labels, photo's whatever it takes) then putting it back together gave me a lot more confidence at the prospect of self-builds in the future.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    1500 is actually quite a lot as far as computers go nowadays

    i would say 3.2 quadcore 4 gigs 1tB HD video and a 22" screen good

    not at all bad.

    give me a minute with newegg I'll see if i can't throw together some general specs for you

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    compc.jpg
    here we go... just tossed these components together to give you a general idea so some of it probably won't work together and you might need a bigger power supply but if you need anything more than that there is probably something seriously wrong with you

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    That is a pretty sexy looking set up. I endorse it. And for a fee I think they'll assemble it for you if you are not confident to do it.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i almost wet myself looking at some of the other video cards if you're looking to upgrade from mega awesome to destructor

    you have no idea how much i want some of those cards

    as a side note i double checked and it looks like everything will sync up fine

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    you have no idea how much i want some of those cards

    At this stage I think I am going to have to do a mobo/GPU/Ram/PSU upgrade and I simply cannot afford it. Could probably go up to a 4850, not sure it is worth it though with all the other flaws.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    you have no idea how much i want some of those cards

    At this stage I think I am going to have to do a mobo/GPU/Ram/PSU upgrade and I simply cannot afford it. Could probably go up to a 4850, not sure it is worth it though with all the other flaws.

    i don't know. unless you literally have 0 dollars it's not hard to upgrade anymore. parts that cost 500 each a year ago are like 20 now. even about 6 months ago i upgraded for age of conan and it cost about 450 for a new pretty much everything. I'm running a 3.2 dual core 2gb ~900Gb and a sexy case. video card handles 4 windows of wow with very little latency, and age of conan on high.


    it's the video card that gets pricey

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
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    With standard PSU, I would have to replace that for better parts. MoBo is a pricey replacement. And I don't want to do it half-heartedly. Since I could max afford £150 at the moment, I'll wait an do something more comprehensive I figure (unless you have genius suggestions :p)

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    here we go... just tossed these components together to give you a general idea so some of it probably won't work together and you might need a bigger power supply but if you need anything more than that there is probably something seriously wrong with you

    I have to admit- some of that seems like over kill to me (the graphics card and processor mostly...) and you could get a much better monitor for the money.

    Other than that, not a bad set up, but you could probably get something that you'd be just as happy with for 3-400 less. Maybe more.

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    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    There's also the possibility you just can't really grow a bear like other guys.

    Not even BEAR vaginas can defeat me!
    cakemikz wrote: »
    And then I rub actual cake on myself.
    Loomdun wrote: »
    thats why you have chest helmets
  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    for mobo/GPU/Ram/PSU
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    that's not too bad at all

    obviously for a new monitor and everything else it's going to be more but a lot of that stuff you have on yours you really don't need

    edit: man they really should just make a "chucks tech emporium" where i answer computer questions

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'd say go for this case. It's big enough, and the cooling is apparently very good. I wish I'd gotten it when I built mine, but oh well.

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i have this one
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208021

    it is ultra sexy and runs super quietly. i would highly recommend this unless you get the ultra video card, in which case the above post's got the one for you.

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  • proXimityproXimity Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Honestly the sweet spot for power/price right now is around $1000. If you do build your own computer though, don't forget to factor in the cost of the OS. With that price point (~$1k) for the computer, I'd consider getting a quite nice monitor and keyboard/mouse, and perhaps some bitchin speakers and/or headphones

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  • xeviqxeviq Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If you order OEM the optical disk drive and HDD most likely won't come with SATA cables. Most mobos come with at least one, so you'll have to pick up another one or find a friend with spares.

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I would love to buy a computer from newegg but I just can't keep thinking that it will not be what i expect. I love the idea that it will not be loaded with software that i will never use and will be a gaming monster and I can do everything I used to do on my other PC except better. Random Question: Does Vista make it difficult to download music or use other programs.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    9500gt is not what you want.

    9800gtx will run any currently existing game well (it's in my computer), but you could arguably kick it up one more notch to the 285gtx I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up suggested if you want that "my new computer destroys the max graphics setting's of all games" feeling.

    I picked my parts (on sale & high quality) individually and paid a $50 charge to have it assembled for me before it was shipped to me. They did an excellent job assembling it, better I would say than the assembly you get buying a random pre-assembled computer from a store.

    Try:
    NCIX, Tigerdirect and Newegg.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    for mobo/GPU/Ram/PSU

    that's not too bad at all

    Hmm, the problem is I see 'not too bad' and think that I may as well wait for a bit more price drop. Cause £200 for not bad makes me squeamish.

    Plus I am not buying much new in the way of gaming atm, so probably not worth it. Maybe if I get a job over the summer.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sin Twin 1 wrote: »
    Random Question: Does Vista make it difficult to download music or use other programs.

    No, unless "other programs" includes "Windows XP" and even that is manageable.

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  • CrashtardCrashtard Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    for mobo/GPU/Ram/PSU

    that's not too bad at all

    Hmm, the problem is I see 'not too bad' and think that I may as well wait for a bit more price drop. Cause £200 for not bad makes me squeamish.

    Plus I am not buying much new in the way of gaming atm, so probably not worth it. Maybe if I get a job over the summer.

    by "not too bad" i mean pretty amazing.

    like i said, I'm running a 3.2 dual core and 2 gigs of ram and i decimate most games, especially with my video card. the build i made you is double mine... yeah...

    and as far as price drops go the problem with that is by the time that gets any cheaper you're looking at better tech being out there, which means a bunch of things that will require that better tech. just like getting a comodore is cheap now, but is useless for anything new.

    t: sintwin: newegg is amazing. so far I've bought 3 whole comps for myself off of it, 3 for friends, and god knows how many parts.

    and no, vista works with pretty much everything at this point. i use it to great success. I especially love 64 bit

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OK. After the weekend I'll try and source some of that in the uk and see what turns up :)

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Okay I am pretty much set on somthing, what do you think of the specs ?

    Operating System Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit

    Processors AMD Phenomâ„¢ II X4 940 Black Edition (3.0GHz/125W)

    Memory 6GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs

    Hard Drives 1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 2 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache

    Video Card CrossFireX, Dual ATI Radeon HD4850 512MB

    CD ROM/DVD ROM Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc Combo (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)

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  • CrashtardCrashtard Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Looks like it will pretty much do whatever you'll want. As long as the parts match up you should be all set. I don't see a MoBo listed, do you have one picked out?

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    also keep in mind that a lot of games don't work with crossfire. this isn't necessarily bad as it's still a great video card uncrossfired, just a heads up

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Really ?!?!?! Some games just won't work hey. What do you mean uncrossfired, i have never heard this before so am confused a little. I am so close to buying this right now, I wonder what games won't work, It is a kick ass video card though right ...

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sin Twin 1 wrote: »
    Really ?!?!?! Some games just won't work hey. What do you mean uncrossfired, i have never heard this before so am confused a little. I am so close to buying this right now, I wonder what games won't work, It is a kick ass video card though right ...
    no no some games wont work with the crossfire feature. the video cards are a lot like dual core processors.

    they are two seperate but interlaced cards that split the work to make it faster. the games that won't allow you to use a crossfired video cards are a lot like the games that will only let you use 1 processor. (starcraft sometimes, and U2XMP) you can still use it and play the game just fine, but it won't be as fast, ironically, as games that require better video cards. if I'm not mistaken WoW doesn't have a crossfired feature but it requires so little from your video that it doesn't even make a difference

    basically it's something you shouldn't even realize, but i wanted to warn you anyways

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  • Sin Twin 1Sin Twin 1 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i get it, good explanation. So some games run really great utilizing xfire technology(BF2 ; Farcry) while others (WOW) do not. I don't play WOW but I would imagine using one card would be about 60 FPS in WOW which is pretty good, I think. I will dwell on this a little but am fairly positive I am gonna go through with it. but it does give me somthing to research when I am buying games LOL. Thanks Chuck. I might just go with the CrossFireX Dual ATI Radeon HD4870 1024MB, which is a little better.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It seems my windows XP professional only allows me to use 3 gig of ram etc etc.

    In other words, I need a 64bit OS. Vista and I do not get on well, and I don't much fancy shelling out a ton for it. Worth trying to get on win7 Beta?

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  • RikushixRikushix VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Tigerdirect is great.

    Yeah, as a sidenote, OP, you can generally build a gaming computer for 20% cheaper than its whole desktop equivalent.

    edit: for example, I want to build a gaming rig soon - order it on Tigerdirect by the end of April and it'll be waiting on my doorstep when I'm home in early May :)

    I want this:

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    Factors to consider: I'm using my 200 gb hard drive, my keyboard and my speakers from my old computer. However, on top of that price of roughly $1000 there's -$55 in total rebates so it kinda balances out anyway. Also that's in CAD. Just to make that clear.

    To compare, a barebones kit with what I want roughly: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4542909&Sku=B69-1046 is 800 bucks. Everything is pretty much the same except it has a somewhat more expensive mobo/cpu combo (the 6700 quad which is actually what i want before but the savings on a board with a e7400 were too great to ignore, especially since I can deal without SLI) That's before:
    • a 22" monitor
    • an operating system
    • an optical drive (DVD/CD-RW)
    • keyboard, speakers, and mouse

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  • I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    It seems my windows XP professional only allows me to use 3 gig of ram etc etc.

    In other words, I need a 64bit OS. Vista and I do not get on well, and I don't much fancy shelling out a ton for it. Worth trying to get on win7 Beta?
    you'd rather try to run on a beta as your main OS than use vista?

    man vista is not as bad as people say

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  • 2 Marcus 2 Ravens2 Marcus 2 Ravens CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm thinking of building a computer for mainly professional video work. Is there anything I should do differently from a gaming PC? I really don't much about computers, and I'm wondering if there's anything I should change from the builds you're suggesting.

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  • RikushixRikushix VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm thinking of building a computer for mainly professional video work. Is there anything I should do differently from a gaming PC? I really don't much about computers, and I'm wondering if there's anything I should change from the builds you're suggesting.

    Any changes should speak for themselves. Focus on the video card. If you're doing video editing or 3D graphical work (i.e. Photoshop, Maya, etc) you're going to want a very nice card.

    If you're doing anything professional at all or expecting to turn a profit I would almost look into getting a workstation graphics card. Like a Quadro. But I don't know too much about those.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    man vista is not as bad as people say

    I copied some music onto my parents computer. I then tried to move it. Would not let me. Tried to delete it. Would not let me.

    I am admin, I checked all the boxes and faffed about searching the internet at al for 2 hours with the end result of deleting all of it. What a waste.

    That experience alone is enough to make me hate Vista with a passion. My XP proffesional likes me! :D

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    It seems my windows XP professional only allows me to use 3 gig of ram etc etc.

    In other words, I need a 64bit OS. Vista and I do not get on well, and I don't much fancy shelling out a ton for it. Worth trying to get on win7 Beta?
    you'd rather try to run on a beta as your main OS than use vista?

    man vista is not as bad as people say

    No, it's not, and it's like eight times better than XP now, but to be fair the Windows 7 Beta is essentially Vista but better in every way.

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