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Well-written media

DobbieDobbie Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm not sure if this is the right forum to ask this, but does anyone know of anything written as well as Phoenix Wright? Other video games, TV, books, movies, you name it.

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  • Prester JohnPrester John Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    That's, uh, pretty . . . poorly-defined? I mean, the collected works of Shakespeare? Citizen Kane? The color yellow?

    Let's try this: What about the writing in the Phoenix Wright games do you find particularly appealing?

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    "Well written literature"... Erm.

    Well written games... Planescape: Torment.

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  • DobbieDobbie Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    That's, uh, pretty . . . poorly-defined? I mean, the collected works of Shakespeare? Citizen Kane? The color yellow?

    Let's try this: What about the writing in the Phoenix Wright games do you find particularly appealing?

    The characterization, the wordplay, and the humor.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is really broad but I'll give it a shot. For wordplay and humor I think You'd probably like Terry Pratchett or Douglass Adams. For just plain great written stuff Cormac McCarthy, Neil Gaiman, Neil Wolfe, Shakespeare, H.G Wells are all good.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What the fuck? Like, every good funny book ever has "the characterization, the wordplay, and the humor" to match Phoenix Wright. Off the top of my head, Catch-22, A Confederacy of Dunces, The Devil's Dictionary, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Terry Pratchett, Snow Crash, Kurt Vonnegut, and Transmetropolitan are all good and funny things. You could play the same game with movies, TV, or games. Just look in the "humor" section of your local whatever.

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  • DobbieDobbie Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Catch-22 got depressing towards the end, though.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dobbie wrote: »
    Catch-22 got depressing towards the end, though.
    Well, it's kind of a Catch-22.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dobbie wrote: »
    Catch-22 got depressing towards the end, though.

    Yeah well Phoenix Wright is going to die some day. You didn't specify "happy in the end."

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  • RazielRaziel Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dobbie wrote: »
    Catch-22 got depressing towards the end, though.

    Yeah well Phoenix Wright is going to die some day. You didn't specify "happy in the end."

    Aaaa ha ha ha!

    You know what show I freaking love? Boston Legal. I don't know what it is about the show, but my god it is funny.

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  • DobbieDobbie Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dobbie wrote: »
    Catch-22 got depressing towards the end, though.

    Yeah well Phoenix Wright is going to die some day. You didn't specify "happy in the end."

    No he's not. And these are books that I'd want to read, so of course they shouldn't have downer endings.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Twice now I have written a reply and then simply closed this thread because I got too angry but I think I'll give it one more go.

    Three things. Thing #1: Catch-22 actually wasn't more depressing in the end than it was anywhere else in the book. In fact, the very end is uplifting, especially in light of the sequel. A lot of bad things happened near the end and we finally get the whole picture about Snowden, but you've completely misread the book if you though any or much of it up until that point was not depressing and that at some point it got more depressing.

    Thing #2: Phoenix Wright is not some sort of immortal being. I mean come on. Everyone dies. I can't really see how you can deny that. I mean obviously he won't die in a game or something but that's being pedantic and if you say that you can say that Catch-22 wasn't depressing because none of the dead people in that book were actual people, they were just words on a page.

    Thing #3: "And these are books that I'd want to read, so of course they shouldn't have downer endings." Christ, whenever I read that my blood pressure spikes right through the fucking roof. Are you trying to say that nobody would ever want to read anything that does not end "and they got married and lived happily ever after?" Can you really not deal with anything that suggests that everything won't be perfect forever? Does the mere possibility that the book/movie/game ends on a downer remove any ability to derive edification from it? Do you just ignore all of Shakespeare's tragedies and Hemingway's books and some of the best movies ever made just because you can't understand why anyone would ever want to partake of entertainment that doesn't wrap up with everyone happy?

    Finally (this is, I guess, Thing #4), if your criterion for finding media to enrich your life is "as good as or better than Phoenix Wright" you honestly have to get out a little bit more. Phoenix Wright is cool but he's not the epitome of anything except the Japenese DS-based Lawyer Humor genre.

    Which veers very slightly off topic but seems to me to be the best kind of Help and Advice you can get at this point.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You could always watch Law and Order reruns on TNT. It's like Phoenix Wright, only with a Liberty Mutual spokesman!

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