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homosexuality, dreams, and obsession

SueveSueve Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
lately ive been obsessed with homosexuality, namely whether or not i am homosexual

these thoughts stem from both my particular propensity to become obsessed with things (should have seen me when i thought i had herpes...) and a few instances of perceived homosexuality within myself

it all started with when i got high and spent the entire time contemplating alpha males->how men relate to male social leaders and in turn homosexuality

when i asked my dad what he thought, he said that the conclusions i drew about it and he said that im just a 18 year old boy, and when pot gets in my system, its mind altering properties combined with my rampant sexual desires make everything seem sexual

since then ive nonstop questioned my own sexuality, debating the likelihood that i am homosexual- 'checking out' dudes to see if i found them attractive.

anyways, its pretty annoying because at the same time i have consistent sex with my great girlfriend

so, you may be wondering WTF is this dood worrying about

well last night i had a dream in which i kissed a dude from my highschool- a kid that i actually hated in real life because he went out with a girl i had a crush on- and the memory of that kiss messed with my head this morning...

anyways: how can i relax about this? its really annoying, and im wondering if other heterosexual males have dreams where they kiss dudes

maybe im an idiot, but i thought it would be better to ask you guys

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kinsey would say that most dudes are at least a little bit gay.

    Do you enjoy having sex with your girlfriend, or is it a chore? Are you attracted to her? Are you picturing a dude while you're doing her?

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  • FagatronFagatron Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Experiment.

    EDIT: Don't hide it from your girlfriend if you choose to go this route. Talk to her about it. Depending on her predilections you slobbing some knob might even be a turn on for her.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I would bet an extraordinarily high sum of money that you aren't gay. And I study risk and uncertainty.

    EDIT: Most dudes on this forum are too black and white about the straight-gay divide. You're creating a massive false dichotomy.

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  • KeyScourgeKeyScourge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    If you're only musing about the possibility odds are you aren't gay. So stop stressing over it. Just thinking of the possibility doesn't indicate a closeted gay man. If you were, for example, imagining guys when you masturbated or when you have sex with your girlfriend, then you probably would be, yes. But this is not the case.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sueve wrote: »
    well last night i had a dream in which i kissed a dude from my highschool- a kid that i actually hated in real life because he went out with a girl i had a crush on- and the memory of that kiss messed with my head this morning...

    anyways: how can i relax about this? its really annoying, and im wondering if other heterosexual males have dreams where they kiss dudes

    Easiest way to relax about this: remember that IT'S A DREAM. Lots of strange shit happens in dreams. You've probably had dreams about flying but you don't think you're Superman. Plus you've got this strange emotional connection to the guy.

    Also, most straight guys would, if they're being honest, would be able to name several guys ChristianBale who they thatguyfromTheMentalist find attractive. Other side of things, my wife drools over Eva Longoria (who I don't think is very attractive). It doesn't mean we don't dig each other, it means that attractive people are attractive.

    Or, maybe you are gay, or at any rate bisexual. Good to know this about yourself. Talk to your girlfriend about it and see how she feels.

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  • RNEMESiS42RNEMESiS42 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I like that philosophy. Attractive people are attractive. Regardless of sex, humans like other pretty humans. I have strange dreams about males I know in weird sexual ways sometimes. I love my girlfriend to death and the female form. I don't consider myself gay; thought I am comfortable enough to recognize when people are attractive, never mind their sex.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Most people cling to a black-white mentality when it comes to homosexuality. Freud and Kinsey thought that all humans were functionally bisexual to some degree. There's certainly a grain of truth in this idea.

    If you're happy with your girlfriend and sexually attracted to her, then relax and don't drive yourself insane. Keep those fantasies to yourself or talk about them with your girlfriend if you think she'd be comfortable with it. If you think it could hurt your relationship, don't do it.

    There's also a chance that you're just talking yourself into homosexual fantasies. Maybe your dad's right. Even then, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Every guy will dream about gay stuff at some point. It's totally true, even if they don't want to admit it. Dreams are just stupid weird things that don't mean anything more than you want them to.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    There's a difference between finding someone attractive and wanting to have sex with them.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    There's a difference between finding someone attractive and wanting to have sex with them.

    Then there's a difference between that desire being your primary sexual goal and a fleeting notion.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Erios wrote: »
    There's a difference between finding someone attractive and wanting to have sex with them.

    Then there's a difference between that desire being your primary sexual goal and a fleeting notion.

    And there's a difference between, "man, I want to fuck her, duck out while she's showering after the match, and never call her back" and "I'd like to marry her, take her home to Mom, and have children with her."

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  • variantvariant Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dreams aren't ALWAYS emotional release by your subconscious, often times they're pointless/meaningless.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You had a dream about kissing a guy because you've been obsessing over kissing guys, not because your brain is trying to tell you you're gay.

    Do you enjoy being with your girlfriend right now? Yes? Then what's the problem?

    Why do you have to seek out and discover whether or not you might in some fashion find the same sex attractive? What does that matter? You might. You might not. Right now, you're with a chick. Roll with that for now.

    If one day she walks in and finds you cock deep in some other dude.. then you can take it from there.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Straight/gay, it's all the same: boring.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    First: "You know, uh, I never thought I would say this to anybody, but you two smoke entirely too much reefer."

    Now that that's out of the way, we probably need a gay forum member to clarify, but I'm pretty sure being gay isn't the sort of thing you decide after debating with yourself and "trying it out," any more than I sat down to decide whether or not I'm straight. It's wired much deeper than that. You're approaching homosexuality with the sort of mentality that people apply to deciding whether or not they're going to be a vegetarian.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Human sexuality is part biology, part social construct. I think the Kinsey Scale does a good job of explaining it. Very few people are completely gay or completely straight. Most people fall somewhere on the continuum. Trying to put yourself in a YES/NO box is a good way to give yourself a complex.

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  • FloofyFloofy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    As pretty much everyone else has said it's possible you're a little bisexual or at least bicurious.

    What's more concerning is the overall tone of your post- you seem to be obsessing to an unhealthy degree about the situation which has probably blown it out of proportion (and will in turn stress you out a whole load if you do have homoerotic moments/fantasies). It might be worth considering reassessing your preconceptions about homosexuality.

    Also, if you're enjoying an enthusiastic, high-quality sex life with your girlfriend then it's unlikely you're going to be an 100% flaming fan of man-love. I'm Bi myself but it's a lot more complex than being 50-50 in my attraction to other genders- if anything I'm more 70% for boys and 30% for girls. So maybe you're a 80-20 or a 90-10 type of guy. It doesn't have to change you in any way other than accepting you might have other attractions.

    Just my take on it, anyway. Sexuality's a complicated thing and IMO we're far too preoccupied with being one-or-the-other.

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  • ilmmadilmmad Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    variant wrote: »
    Dreams aren't ALWAYS emotional release by your subconscious, often times they're pointless/meaningless.

    I would say this is important. Most of my dreams relate to what I was preoccupied with the day before. I'm not saying this is the reason you had this dream, but it's certainly something to consider.

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  • KeyScourgeKeyScourge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    In terms of the bit about the dream. Don't worry about it. It's a dream. It doesn't mean your suddenly going to fall in love with dude concerned. Dreams mean nothing. The fact that it was a guy you hated doesn't mean anything either. This dream of yours sounds like the concious thoughts you're obssessing over seeping into your dreaming subconcious and combining with the strong emotion you have/had for this guy to create aforementioned dream.

    But the other theory is that it means sod all. Dreams rarely do. Hell last night I dreamt I was being chased and attacked by Michael Myers from the Halloween films before I beat him to death with a rolled up magazine. They mean nothing, so stop stressing or you'll end up obssessing about it too much and it'll all blow up in your face.

    Besides, as somebody mentioned, there's a strong belief in the fact that nobody is 100% straight anyway. So the dream could have just been the odd percent or two of yourself that finds guys a bit hot taking over your brain for that one dream. Nothing to worry about.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    'Gay' and 'straight' are just emblematic bookends according to which it's easier to shape our behavior and index the analog properties of our sexuality.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    if you're a meek person, it might be the perceived power you're attracted to/envying.

    If you're happy in your behavior and just worried about your self image, I'll tell you more guys then you think have a fleeting thought. Our culture is so biased against the gay, we tend to channel that thought - into aggressive heterosexuality, aggressive homophobia (what you get when you combine ignorance of gays with misogyny), excessive athlete worship, that kind of thing.

    I will buck the crowd here and say if what you're worried about is identifying publicly as gay, think about it long and hard. The stigma is huge and to take it on yourself while you're still deciding about this shit could be tremendously consequential.

    I think you're lucky you felt comfortable talking to your dad about this. I respect my dad a great deal, but he's pretty culturally indoctrinated on this issue. I think he'd have bitch-slapped me if I came to him when I was 18 and asked that kind of question.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    if you're a meek person, it might be the perceived power you're attracted to/envying.

    If you're happy in your behavior and just worried about your self image, I'll tell you more guys then you think have a fleeting thought. Our culture is so biased against the gay, we tend to channel that thought - into aggressive heterosexuality, aggressive homophobia (what you get when you combine ignorance of gays with misogyny), excessive athlete worship, that kind of thing.

    I will buck the crowd here and say if what you're worried about is identifying publicly as gay, think about it long and hard. The stigma is huge and to take it on yourself while you're still deciding about this shit could be tremendously consequential.

    I think you're lucky you felt comfortable talking to your dad about this. I respect my dad a great deal, but he's pretty culturally indoctrinated on this issue. I think he'd have bitch-slapped me if I came to him when I was 18 and asked that kind of question.

    :winky:

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  • SueveSueve Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    thank you all

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  • capnricocapnrico Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Before you go full force into experimenting or telling your girlfriend, I'd imagnie it might also be worth checking out some gay porn to see if that does anything for you.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    capnrico wrote: »
    Before you go full force into experimenting or telling your girlfriend, I'd imagnie it might also be worth checking out some gay porn to see if that does anything for you.

    Be sure to do this on a family computer without erasing your internet browsing history so people you know can stumble across it accidentally and freak out. :^:

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    SammyF wrote: »
    capnrico wrote: »
    Before you go full force into experimenting or telling your girlfriend, I'd imagnie it might also be worth checking out some gay porn to see if that does anything for you.

    Be sure to do this on a family computer without erasing your internet browsing history so people you know can stumble across it accidentally and freak out. :^:

    No, that's if he's cross-shopping women and horses.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    She had the gall to tell me last night that she wanted to get a vanity license plate that read "BAREBCK" when she was 16--and in spite of having since learned what this means, she still thinks it's kind of a good idea because, sure, every man she drives past will cat call at her or honk their horns, but "why should I let that stop me from sharing how much I enjoy riding horses?"

    I finally found the boundary of my sexual self-confidence--it's just on this side of everyone on Interstate 95 simultaneously thinking about fucking the missus. :P

    /old thread

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    One of the more prevalent theories today concerning dreams (and my personal favorite) is that dreams are the result of your brain re-organizing things while you sleep. When you're unconscious, your brain does something very similar to defragging its own hard drive, compiling memories from the day, compacting them down, and storing them away in long-term memory. In order to do this, it's likely that the brain runs those memories through the prefrontal cortex, which is basically the conscious brain's CPU. As a by-product of this filing, other parts of the brain that aren't being used to "defrag" detect these images/sounds/etc. as incoming signals and attempt to make sense of them by organizing them into semi-coherent thoughts, which we call dreams. I really wish I could remember what it's called.

    Another common one is Activation-Synthesis Theory, which I also find interesting but have a more difficult time explaining. So far as I know, most psychologists don't still think that dreams have much to do with our desires, and most of them only use dreams to get patients to open up, since patients expect to have dream analysis as part of their therapy.

    In short, I really wouldn't worry too much about the dream. As in, I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.

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  • AsiinaAsiina ... WaterlooRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Terrendos wrote: »
    One of the more prevalent theories today concerning dreams (and my personal favorite) is that dreams are the result of your brain re-organizing things while you sleep. When you're unconscious, your brain does something very similar to defragging its own hard drive, compiling memories from the day, compacting them down, and storing them away in long-term memory. In order to do this, it's likely that the brain runs those memories through the prefrontal cortex, which is basically the conscious brain's CPU. As a by-product of this filing, other parts of the brain that aren't being used to "defrag" detect these images/sounds/etc. as incoming signals and attempt to make sense of them by organizing them into semi-coherent thoughts, which we call dreams. I really wish I could remember what it's called.

    This is pretty accurate. I mean, if you sit down and think about your dreams you can probably place where most of the individual elements come from. The fact that they're put together in some way is often irrelevant.

    I had a dream that me and a bunch of robots were driving a VW beetle up a steep set of stairs. If I think about it, that's because I had recently watched I, Robot, I was planning on going out with a friend the next day who has a VW Beetle, and because the elevators were out in my building I had to climb the stairs to my apartment.

    If you happen to have been thinking about this dude and about kissing then it's not surprising they got put together.

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  • GirlPantsGirlPants Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I kind of questioned it once also and here is how I concluded that I was not gay: I looked up some hardcore gay porn. Seriously, that shit is SUPER GAY and if your not into it you will know right away. It took me about 1 second to go "holy shit this is gay, I never want to see this again". If you don't have that reaction, you might be a little gay. I would try that though, couldn't hurt.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    GirlPants wrote: »
    I kind of questioned it once also and here is how I concluded that I was not gay: I looked up some hardcore gay porn. Seriously, that shit is SUPER GAY and if your not into it you will know right away. It took me about 1 second to go "holy shit this is gay, I never want to see this again". If you don't have that reaction, you might be a little gay. I would try that though, couldn't hurt.

    Maybe you just don't like gay porn. My friend is gay, and he only watches straight porn.

    You could be queer as a three dollar bill.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OP:

    Of course, I don't know if you have this, but there is apparently a type of OCD called "HOCD" or "Homosexual OCD" which seems to manifest in the way you are describing. Take a look on Wikipedia. I think it's in the main OCD article.

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    SammyF wrote: »
    Now that that's out of the way, we probably need a gay forum member to clarify, but I'm pretty sure being gay isn't the sort of thing you decide after debating with yourself and "trying it out," any more than I sat down to decide whether or not I'm straight. It's wired much deeper than that. You're approaching homosexuality with the sort of mentality that people apply to deciding whether or not they're going to be a vegetarian.

    I will do my best.

    You don't decide or experiment like you do with what foods you like or don't. You just know, it's not even a question in your mind. I've always been of the opinion if you have to ask than you probably aren't.

    As for your dream; sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    SammyF wrote: »
    Now that that's out of the way, we probably need a gay forum member to clarify, but I'm pretty sure being gay isn't the sort of thing you decide after debating with yourself and "trying it out," any more than I sat down to decide whether or not I'm straight. It's wired much deeper than that. You're approaching homosexuality with the sort of mentality that people apply to deciding whether or not they're going to be a vegetarian.

    I will do my best.

    You don't decide or experiment like you do with what foods you like or don't. You either are or are not a homosexual. You just know, it's not even a question in your mind. I've always been of the opinion if you have to ask than you probably aren't.

    As for your dream; sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog.

    Please explain how I'm incredibly attracted to girls, yet have still been able to casually make out with several guys over the course of my life. Sexuality is not an on/off switch. You can be very gay or very straight, but very few people are completely gay or completely straight.

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  • FiggyFiggy Fighter of the night man Champion of the sunRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Um.. because you're bisexual?

    And.. I'd be willing to bet more than "a few" people are "completely straight." I might even go so far as to say a "majority?"

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Please explain how I'm incredibly attracted to girls, yet have still been able to casually make out with several guys over the course of my life. Sexuality is not an on/off switch. You can be very gay or very straight, but very few people are completely gay or completely straight.

    I didn't realize that "making out" was considered sexual intercourse these days. Nor did I know that that's what constitutes a long lasting sexually intimate relationship.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Please explain how I'm incredibly attracted to girls, yet have still been able to casually make out with several guys over the course of my life. Sexuality is not an on/off switch. You can be very gay or very straight, but very few people are completely gay or completely straight.

    I didn't realize that "making out" was consider sexual intercourse these days. Nor did I know that that's what constitutes a long lasting sexually intimate relationship.

    Hmm... gotcha. So, in your mind, making out with someone of the same sex is straight then. I mean, if you either are or you aren't gay, there clearly isn't any room in middle.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I become extremely depressed over this when I was younger (I have OCD, doesn't help)

    personally I think every man takes a step back and asks himself if he's gay at some point, whether or not he is

    however, from what I've heard, most homosexual men usually know in their early teens or even younger.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Figgy wrote: »
    Um.. because you're bisexual?

    And.. I'd be willing to bet more than "a few" people are "completely straight." I might even go so far as to say a "majority?"

    And you'd be incorrect. The majority of people on the Kinsey Scale fall anywhere but a 0, which would indicate complete hetersexuality.
    The reports also state that nearly 46% of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% had at least one homosexual experience.[5] 11.6% of white males (ages 20-35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response) throughout their adult lives.[6] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[7]

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Hmm... gotcha. So, in your mind, making out with someone of the same sex is straight then. I mean, if you either are or you aren't gay, there clearly isn't any room in middle.

    You can still have homosexual experiences without actually being a homosexual. You'd than be bisexual in your case.

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