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RPGs on a Budget - Making your own Battle Grid?

FlayFlay Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Critical Failures
First off: I'm completely new to P&P RPGs. I've played one round of D&D and that left me confused as hell. But I'm determined to keep going, so I've decided to try and set up my own game with a group of friends. Spoilered for non-relevance...
I'm aware it would probably be better for me to stick to playing rather than DMing for the time being, but none of my friends have role-played before and I really can't relax and play properly unless I'm in a group I know well (i.e. close friends). Hopefully I can come to some arrangement where we take turns as DM, so I'll get a chance to play too.

Anyways, I'm in the process of gathering the resources required to set up a game, but I'm trying to limit my spending (being a student isn't cheap, after all). I've got a set of dice, I've borrowed a few of the core D&D books (although I've had a flip through of them and am none the wiser for it). What I'm interested in at the moment are any money-saving tips you guys might have for someone (complete novice or veteran) who is interested in playing a pen and paper RPG.

There are two things that I want to know at the moment...

One: I've seen official battle grids, but as they cost 25 bucks (AUD), I'm leaning towards the homebrew option. How would I go about making my own reusable battle-grid? Would simply laminating a piece of paper with a grid drawn on it work, and would markers draw on such a surface? If so, what kind of markers should I use?

Two: Is the D&D Roleplaying Starter Set worth purchasing? I already have the dice; what I really have my eye on is the monster and character tokens. The quickstart rules would also be a handy introduction without overwhelming us with the full complexity of the game right off the bat.

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  • HermenegildeHermenegilde Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Flay wrote: »
    One: I've seen official battle grids, but as they cost 25 bucks (AUD), I'm leaning towards the homebrew option. How would I go about making my own reusable battle-grid? Would simply laminating a piece of paper with a grid drawn on it work, and would markers draw on such a surface? If so, what kind of markers should I use?

    It works for me. But if I dont wash it fast enough it leaves stains, especially the red marker. I'm not sure which kind of markers I bought but I guess those for the white boards would work fine.

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  • RaddueRaddue Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm going to be making a laminated board myself here in the next few days. As for tokens, don't feel like you HAVE to use the miniatures, you can use things like quarters, buttons, poker chips or whatever as long as everyone knows what everything else is it's just as simple and less expensive. If PCs want to go out and buy their own miniature to match their character that should be encouraged but you don't have to fork out the cash yourself. Hell you don't even know if you guys will stick to this for a while.

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What I've found to be great (I've made two of them so far), is to buy a $6 piece of plexiglass (prices may vary based on size of course) and a sharpie. Grid the plexiglass (preferably with a square) carefully, take your time, etc. If you want it blank, take a blank piece of newsprint and put the grid on top of it (preferably with the grid face down, so the sharpie lasts longer; it will scrape off if you take an edge to it. Newsprint is offwhite, so I find it more pleasing on the eyes than other types of paper.

    The real advantage to this is that with a $10 pad of newsprint (Cannon's 100 sheets of 18x24 newsprint runs that price) and some markers, you can also prepare maps ahead of time. Fold/roll them to keep them secret from the players, and when an encounter occurs, unroll it, place it under the plexiglass grid, and you're free to go.

    It also makes a nice sound when dice rattle against it. I like the sound of wood better, but it's more muted, and makes an excelent compromise.

    Edit: I didn't really explicitly state it; you can use dry erase (or wet erase too I guess) markers on plexiglass as well.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Flip-mat.

    Cheap and you use white board markers on them, you should be able to scrounge up one of those from practically anywhere.

    If you want to buy one local check local game stores to save shipping. Often places that are devoted to comics carry D&D stuff as well. If they run games there you might be able to sit in on one and get a better idea of what you're doing.

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  • delrolanddelroland Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Draw a 1" grid with sharpie on foamboard. Place clear contact paper over the foamboard. Cut the foamboard up with a jigsaw to create smaller interlocking pieces.

    Now you have poor man's TacTiles. You can use dry-erase marker on these, making clean-up much easier than battlemats (which require wet erase markers).

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  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Flip-mat.

    Cheap and you use white board markers on them, you should be able to scrounge up one of those from practically anywhere.

    If you want to buy one local check local game stores to save shipping. Often places that are devoted to comics carry D&D stuff as well. If they run games there you might be able to sit in on one and get a better idea of what you're doing.

    I second this. What me and my roommate ended up doing was buying a 4x8 sheet of tileboard. It's about $12, then we used automotive pin striping tape to layout grid lines. I think it came out great, but honestly, being able to transport the flips is great (my old roommate had one, no idea where he got it but I completely forgot about it until you pointed them out. The other big problem is that the tape ended up costing as much as the board. It can be drawn on with dry erase markers and is gigantic, which is kinda nice.

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Flip-mat.

    Cheap and you use white board markers on them, you should be able to scrounge up one of those from practically anywhere.

    If you want to buy one local check local game stores to save shipping. Often places that are devoted to comics carry D&D stuff as well. If they run games there you might be able to sit in on one and get a better idea of what you're doing.

    This was actually what I was referring to when I talked about the 'official battle grids' (my mistake) costing $25. And if it's going to end up just costing the same amount to make my own... I guess I should just buy one.

    Any other money-saving tips you guys might have?

    Flay on
  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Flay wrote: »
    Flip-mat.

    Cheap and you use white board markers on them, you should be able to scrounge up one of those from practically anywhere.

    If you want to buy one local check local game stores to save shipping. Often places that are devoted to comics carry D&D stuff as well. If they run games there you might be able to sit in on one and get a better idea of what you're doing.

    This was actually what I was referring to when I talked about the 'official battle grids' (my mistake) costing $25. And if it's going to end up just costing the same amount to make my own... I guess I should just buy one.

    Any other money-saving tips you guys might have?

    It really depends how visual you are. When I needed a bunch of cheap tokens I bought some 1/2" wooden dowel and just cut off some discs. Wrote numbers on them and colored the background (so I had stuff like Blue 1, and Red 6) to distinguish different kinds of bad guys. In all honestly I probably would have been better served by going to a craft store and buying precut (and sanded) ones.

    If you want mini's you're going to have to do a fair amount of "This kobold is the orc priest, this warforged is the orc fighter". Even with that, they are slightly nicer visually. Check game stores with web fronts to grab a bunch of commons relatively cheap.

    The Insider subscription on the Wizards website allows 5 installs of the full character generator. It's likely worth it. If you time it right you'll actually probably get 10, but only half will be the most updated. It simplifies things so damn much. Nevermind at the same time you'll get a shit load of adventures available to you. Just remember you can save those PDF's for after your month is up.

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Go to your local hardware store and get them to custom cut a sheet of plexiglass and have them score one inch squares on one side. This is easily the best battle grid you could get and it's slightly cheaper than the roll-up mats. Also, it lets you use dry erase and, one of the cooler things, is you draw the mirror image of the battle on the scored side and then flip it over and you never have to worry about your map getting smudged.

    At my local hardware store, it runs about $20.

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  • RaddueRaddue Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    FlipMat ordered. Thanks a million, guys!

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Kakos, I didn't even know they'd do that. Awesome!

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Thanks for the advice guys, I'll look in to the different options.

    Okay, here's another question. The tokens that come with the starter pack are probably sufficient for the moment, but for future reference, which are cheaper, D&D miniatures or Warhammer miniatures?

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Warhammer are the wrong scale. I believe they're based on 30 mm bases which is about 5 mm too many.

    As for cheaper.....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....

    The mini's put out by wizards are plastic, mass produced and pre-painted. They are relatively cheap. The mini's for warhammer are sometimes plastic (but much sturdier plastic than the D&D mini's), sometimes metal. They're unpainted and sometimes unassembled. They are relatively expensive.

    I'd consider warhammer kind of mini's if it were for a PC I planned on playing for a long time (and I could rebase them). Buying a horde of them is pretty expensive and kinda pointless unless you actually play that game.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Don't rule out the option of paper minis. Just print 'em out on cardstock, cut them out, and depending on what exactly you got, tape them upright to a penny or just fold them along any dotted lines.

    The big advantage this offers is that you can take various image making apps(Heromachine is a classic one) and use them to make visual representations of the PCs and any important NPCs. The big disadvantage is they look a little cheap and some people would rather just say 'the blue triangles are all kobolds, the purple square's a dragon' than look at paper minis.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I think Fiery Dragon has some counters on their site actually. You really do need to fix them to pennies or something or else they're a bitch to move.

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    Don't rule out the option of paper minis. Just print 'em out on cardstock, cut them out, and depending on what exactly you got, tape them upright to a penny or just fold them along any dotted lines.

    The big advantage this offers is that you can take various image making apps(Heromachine is a classic one) and use them to make visual representations of the PCs and any important NPCs. The big disadvantage is they look a little cheap and some people would rather just say 'the blue triangles are all kobolds, the purple square's a dragon' than look at paper minis.

    Heromachine seems pretty decent; my only complaint is the lack of variety in body builds/shapes. As far as I can tell, the only options are built, short and built and super-built. What if I want to play a fat character, or a frail elderly character?

    Are there any onther good paperdolls out there that you can reccomend (ones that might have more diversity in this respect)? I'm having a hard time finding them on google.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Well, the token is just to give you a thing to move around. It's not an avatar.

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I know. I'm going to try and set up a game online with some friends, and thought having some images to go with a character would be cool, so they're not actually going to be used as tokens. Just as a visual aid.

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