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I saw Observe and Report today. Seth Rogen does not play his normal lovable fuckup. He's more of a delusional, self-righteous fuckup. It was half funny and half "Oh shit did they really just do that".
Notable cameos by Aziz Ansari (who is great) and Patton Oswalt, who was a surprise. Oswalt's part is small though.
Once again, a fair amount of dick in this movie.
I saw 4 Fast 4 Furious last night. It was about as good as can be expected.
I still want to see Adventureland, has anyone seen it yet?
We assumed that once we saw the movie, we'd see some mitigating scenes that, as the Times claims, make it more clear that Brandi, Faris's cosmetics-counter floozy, has given her consent. Surely no studio comedy, no matter how supposedly "dark," would portray its lead character as a rapist, right?
And then we watched it.
It turns out that yes, by any reasonable standard of behavior, Seth Rogen's character, Ronnie Barnhardt, totally rapes Faris's Brandi.
The movie doesn't mitigate that sex scene at all. In fact, it makes it even more clear than the trailer does that when Brandi and Ronnie get home from dinner, she's unbelievably trashed on antidepressants and tequila. Not only does she throw up all over the place, she can barely walk — and she certainly can't give any kind of informed consent. She's way too wasted for her yelling at Ronnie to mean anything.
He may have no idea how to interact properly (or even legally) with a woman, but he's desperate for connection and helpless before her limited charms.
And he even shows a glimmer of self-awareness — after all, mid-rape, he stops for a moment, worried about whether he's doing the right thing. Yeah, he's so deluded and terrified that her drunken reprimand convinces him he is doing the right thing, but at least he thinks about it, which is more than you can say for his behavior in the rest of Observe and Report.
What will audiences think of this scene, which is deeply uncomfortable while also being explosively funny? Hang out at your local multiplex this weekend if you're in the mood to overhear a lot of angry post-movie arguments, as couples debate the totally insane movie they've just seen — a truly dark big-studio comedy in which, yes, Seth Rogen rapes the girl of his dreams.
Now, I haven't seen it so I'm curious what your thoughts on the scene were.
I don't have anything against movies portraying rape scenes -- everything about human behavior, from the best to the worst, should be ethically acceptable to depict in art -- but how they do it matters.
Like, are we horrified/laughing at Ronnie, and by extension the sort of middle-America-gone-wrong archetype he represents, or are we laughing at date rape and/or anna faris' character?
I think Ricky Gervais and the British Office is a good example of how we can laugh at totally racist and sexist and homophobic scenes and language because we're laughing at/embarrased by/horrified by the David Brent character and all his failings. It's different from a movie that asks us to say, laugh at the subject of the racial stereotype, instead of the stereotype itself or the person who subscribes to it.
Anyway, I haven't seen it, but I'm asking because I'd prefer not to spend money to support a movie that makes light of date rape.
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edited April 2009
I'v been trying unsuccessfully to get my girlfriend to go see 4 Fast 4 Furious with me. For some reason she doesn't believe me when I tell her it's going to be a cinematic masterpiece.
Quit being such a goddamn nitpicky pc faggot, nobody cares whether or not a character in a comedy was equipped to give consent
My friend who's been date raped cares, because this kind of stuff usually triggers a PTSD episode for her
I'm sure you have friends who have been victims of sexual violence who care, because 1/4 women have experienced it, but it's no wonder with your overflowing reserves of empathy that they might not have told you about it.
itt backwards tells us about how much better he is at feeling bad for other people than everyone else
Yeah it's called empathy
I'd judge you all more harshly but I'm pretty sure it's just part of this forum's collective Autism spectrum disorder
there's a difference between privately emphasizing with other people's plights and going onto message boards and telling everyone how terrible they are for not emphasizing with a fictional character in a comedy, dude
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/66268/movie-trailers-the-hangover
which was the first captain k?
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/04/does_seth_rogen_rape_anna_fari.html
Now, I haven't seen it so I'm curious what your thoughts on the scene were.
I don't have anything against movies portraying rape scenes -- everything about human behavior, from the best to the worst, should be ethically acceptable to depict in art -- but how they do it matters.
Like, are we horrified/laughing at Ronnie, and by extension the sort of middle-America-gone-wrong archetype he represents, or are we laughing at date rape and/or anna faris' character?
I think Ricky Gervais and the British Office is a good example of how we can laugh at totally racist and sexist and homophobic scenes and language because we're laughing at/embarrased by/horrified by the David Brent character and all his failings. It's different from a movie that asks us to say, laugh at the subject of the racial stereotype, instead of the stereotype itself or the person who subscribes to it.
Anyway, I haven't seen it, but I'm asking because I'd prefer not to spend money to support a movie that makes light of date rape.
date rape doesnt matter cause it takes too many words to talk about
8-)
probably people who have been victims of sexual violence?
maybe people who care about not encouraging rape culture?
decent human beings?
just guessin'
Quit being such a goddamn nitpicky pc faggot, nobody cares whether or not a character in a comedy was equipped to give consent
god you're like every annoying douchebag politically correct farthead ever rolled up into one
And Seth Rogen's character is supposed to be a horrible person not a lovable pot-head like he usually plays
Rape rape rape rape rape.
especially seth rogan's mom
Never saw it
I actually said I hadn't passed judgment on the movie yet, and was asking for someone else's opinion
but please, tell me how preachy I'm being because I don't like it when people make light of rape!
Sorry I have friends who have been victims of sexual assault and I don't find it entertaining?
And like I said, I think there are ways you could actually pull it off in a comedy, it just depends who the movie is giving us to laugh at
PAUL BLART
My friend who's been date raped cares, because this kind of stuff usually triggers a PTSD episode for her
I'm sure you have friends who have been victims of sexual violence who care, because 1/4 women have experienced it, but it's no wonder with your overflowing reserves of empathy that they might not have told you about it.
Oh, most of us have friends who have been sexually assaulted, whether we know it or not. Statistics says we almost assuredly do.
It's just you're insensitive to that experience and I'm not.
Hooray for you.
everyone smokes weed
whats the big deal, legalize it
everyone gets raped
whats the big deal, legalize it
Yeah it's called empathy
I'd judge you all more harshly but I'm pretty sure it's just part of this forum's collective Autism spectrum disorder
we should form a group
make him illegal
this is something i support
there's a difference between privately emphasizing with other people's plights and going onto message boards and telling everyone how terrible they are for not emphasizing with a fictional character in a comedy, dude
legalize murder
legalize shooting heroin into your dick