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Ignorance...

SpykeKelmSpykeKelm Registered User new member
edited December 2006 in Debate and/or Discourse
May have been posted already, but I rather than search and search, I wanted to get this up here.

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Have at it!

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    So... what do you want us to do about it?

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Discuss?

    In general, the rules require that you provide a subject for discussion and expound on your theories before asking us to contribute.

    Also, what paper is this from? It's Canadian, obviously.

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  • SpykeKelmSpykeKelm Registered User new member
    edited December 2006
    Ah, I'm new to the forums. I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on this. I figured it would make for good discussion.

    It's also good for a laugh or two.

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Standard opening is for you to post your thoughts on the matter before you ask us. Helps avoid dud threads.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Well. There is this lady who not only hates fun, but writes editorial columns in some newspaper I'm never going to read. I can't say I feel impacted by this at all. I kindof feel bad for her though, I mean, she seems to have an entire redwood tree up her ass.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    SpykeKelm wrote:
    Ah, I'm new to the forums. I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on this. I figured it would make for good discussion.

    It's also good for a laugh or two.
    Maybe just edit in your response to the article in your first post (there should be a little edit button at the bottom of your posts).

    Edit: Anyway her thesis is laughable and reeks of "all hobbies I do not pursue are not worth pursuing". I camped out for the fun of doing something that crazy and talking to others doing the same than any desperate need to escape the real world. The assumption that spending ones time watching movies for entertainment but that playing games isn't is bizarre (or least have the decency to hate on media equally, lady), and the assumption that all these adult gamers play because they hate their lives is just more of the same.

    All in all: lame, and lazy.

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  • DeathmongerDeathmonger Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    THe unanimous consensus on this earlier was that it was ridiculous in many ways. Mehz

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hey guys, what's so bad about social ostracization that makes you want to dive into video games and forget you're not popular?

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    It's pretty silly. It basically boils down to "RAH RAH RAH games are childish nobody should play them they're a form of escapism and certainly not just a means of having fun"

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  • Spaten OptimatorSpaten Optimator Smooth Operator Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    SpykeKelm wrote:
    Ah, I'm new to the forums. I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on this. I figured it would make for good discussion.

    You should include your own thoughts as well as the source material, that helps get the ball rolling.

    The 'source material' in this case being a poorly written opinion piece created to antagonize or amuse, depending on the audience. Nothing too remarkable here.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    It's pretty silly. It basically boils down to "RAH RAH RAH games are childish nobody should play them they're a form of escapism and certainly not just a means of having fun".
    That, and the author genuinely seems to be anti-fun.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    What's wrong with escapism?

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  • NoomNoom Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    That lady is a cunt.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Noom wrote:
    That lady is a cunt.
    Word.

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Its sad when people who are insultful and admittedly ignorent on a subject are the ones that get to write articles about it.
    She can't even do enough research to name the "toy store" in time squares, or even find out what a blu-ray disc is.
    Sad isn't the word. Pathetic is just a good start.

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    She assigns motives to people who play games, providing no evidence that these supposed motives are the real ones, and then proceeds to criticise them based on those assigned motives. Her criticism is completely meaningless, too - it takes her all the way to the end of the article to actually proffer some, and when she does it's essentially what I posted above. She's not even really worth discussing.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Apparently being in control of your own destiny, and camping in the rain to blow $600 on a PS3, are mutually exclusive states of being.

    Give me a minute to let that sink in.... and now I'm slightly stupider. Great.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    oh hey look a different opinion! Lets trash it, introspection is for fags!

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

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  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    She must feel like a real big shot making fun of other people's hobbies.

    This is like being called a nerd in fucking middle school all over again.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    She must feel like a real big shot making fun of other people's hobbies.

    This is like being called a nerd in fucking middle school all over again.

    Well, if you're camping the fucking electronics store for two nights for a video game console, you are a nerd, man.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Do you have the same opinion of somebody who lays out a few grand for a Gucci purse?

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  • NoomNoom Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Cat wrote:
    oh hey look a different opinion! Lets trash it, introspection is for fags!
    My comment had nothing to do with her arguement, it had to do with how her pretentious attitude that comes through in her writing lets me know that she is a cuntish person.
    I was commenting on her cunty style of voice if you will.

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  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    She must feel like a real big shot making fun of other people's hobbies.

    This is like being called a nerd in fucking middle school all over again.

    Well, if you're camping the fucking electronics store for two nights for a video game console, you are a nerd, man.

    I don't disagree with that, but her tone is completely like "if you're over 18 and still play videogames, you're a loser and have something wrong with your life"

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    She must feel like a real big shot making fun of other people's hobbies.

    This is like being called a nerd in fucking middle school all over again.

    Well, if you're camping the fucking electronics store for two nights for a video game console, you are a nerd, man.

    Or looking to make a quick buck, or trying to be the favorite relative come christmas. All she is saying is that she thinks its dumb that people did this. Then she tried to make "That is so dumb" fill a 1/4 page, and said some pretty ignorant things herself along the way.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Eh. I don't know. BF's alllll fired up over the wii, we're going to do the queue thing and all, and yeah its a bit nerdy but its also just another way to spend an evening. The local EB intend to make it fun, so I thought hey, why not? I don't get fired up like that over games and consoles, but whatever floats your boat is fine by me. I have to say, some of my hobbies are far more antisocial than gaming. And there's particularly healthy about living for work and social advancement, either. I think she's misguided.

    OTOH, there's some obsessives out there who don't seem to examine why they do what they do wrt games. They just do it compulsively. Those people really do lack perspective *shrug*

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Do you have the same opinion of somebody who lays out a few grand for a Gucci purse?

    Oh no, are you claiming a guilt by association?

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Cat wrote:
    oh hey look a stupid opinion written out into a newspaper editorial to stir up shit!

    *fixed

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Cat wrote:
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Eh. I don't know. BF's alllll fired up over the wii, we're going to do the queue thing and all, and yeah its a bit nerdy but its also just another way to spend an evening. The local EB intend to make it fun, so I thought hey, why not? I don't get fired up like that over games and consoles, but whatever floats your boat is fine by me. I have to say, some of my hobbies are far more antisocial than gaming. And there's particularly healthy about living for work and social advancement, either. I think she's misguided.

    OTOH, there's some obsessives out there who don't seem to examine why they do what they do wrt games. They just do it compulsively. Those people really do lack perspective *shrug*
    The Wii line I was in was, I'd guess, about 10-20% weird obsessives, 30-40% parents and one really cool grandmother looking to buy one for kids/grandkids, and the rest were mid 20's-ish people who were there on a lark and were having a blast.

    Sometimes it's fun to do something crazy and stay up all night just for the hell of it.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    The Cat wrote:
    oh hey look a stupid opinion written out into a newspaper editorial to stir up shit!

    *fixed

    oh look, a shining example of The Problem With Public Discourse. Watch as it flails across the landscape!

    /Attenborough

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    I don't agree with the way she makes sweeping generalizations and passes judgments.

    I agree with the points she is arguing for.

    From my perspective, something significant must be missing from your life for you to be willing to spend the night on the street for a video game console.

    I think however that this is something we have to explore within not just the people who camped for their consoles, but within the video game culture overall.

    When we remove the retarded and the judgments from the newspaper article, it's worth questioning some trends and habits of the video game culture.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Do you have the same opinion of somebody who lays out a few grand for a Gucci purse?

    Oh no, are you claiming a guilt by association?

    No, I'm asking do you find other hobbies with excessive monetary/time commitments and obsession with the 'latest thing' in as negative a light.

    Gucci was simply the first thing that popped into my mind with an excessive monetary cost to 'standard' perceived value.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    It blows my mind that several seasons of My Sweet 16 can show us spoiled brats crying their way to $20,000 birthday parties, but a fucking game console comes out and all of the sudden everybody is up in arms over the emptiness of consumer culture. Priorities, people.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    ege02 wrote:
    I think she has a point, even if its poorly presented.

    What is so great about these consoles that people cannot wait a few more months for some more to become available?

    What is missing in these people lives? Is it so hard to have fun these days?

    Do you have the same opinion of somebody who lays out a few grand for a Gucci purse?

    Oh no, are you claiming a guilt by association?

    No, I'm asking do you find other hobbies with excessive monetary/time commitments and obsession with the 'latest thing' in as negative a light.

    If they make you camp out on the street, yeah.
    Gucci was simply the first thing that popped into my mind with an excessive monetary cost to 'standard' perceived value.

    It's not as if the rush over the video game consoles is the only or the most important problem our society faces. Just gotta stay on topic, you know?

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    From my perspective, something significant must be missing from your life for you to be willing to spend the night on the street for a video game console.
    You think there must be something missing from people's lives for them to be willing to invest effort to obtain something they consider desireable? You're right, it's your perspective - you don't enjoy playing video games enough to consider it worth it to stay out all night, and neither do I, but obviously someone who does enjoy video games a lot does consider it worth the expenditure of effort. The question you are posing is, as such, "Why do some people like video games so much?". The answer is the same as that to the question of why some people like cars so much, or why some people like jewellery so much. It's nothing special.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    From my perspective, something significant must be missing from your life for you to be willing to spend the night on the street for a video game console.
    Stick a sock in it, rape boy. Why not wait a few months? Because past the christmas break the next time I won't be swamped in school work is May, which is a bit late to buy a christmas present, (my girlfriend and I each paid half as a joint present, which we'd decided on months ago). Launch weekend happened to be relatively lax, so we decided on a whim to go sit outside a store at 5:00 AM rather than risk not finding one before christmas, and we ended up having a lot of fun.

    But thanks for playing "ITT ege pretends people want his approval for how they spend their free time".

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    From my perspective, something significant must be missing from your life for you to be willing to spend the night on the street for a video game console.

    Hardship is relative. "Spending a night on the street" for some of these people was having a LAN party in rather nice tents. I understand what you're saying, that to you such a propostition seems masochistic; but I might say the same thing of a person who goes camping. Or climbing Everest, because really: what the fuck?

    In short, people who enjoy playing video games with their friends to hanging out at bars with their friends are going to place more value on the console they are in line for than the night of over-priced shots they're missing out on. Neither is wasting their life more than the other, they are pursuing what they find entertaining.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    From my perspective, something significant must be missing from your life for you to be willing to spend the night on the street for a video game console.
    You think there must be something missing from people's lives for them to be willing to invest effort to obtain something they consider desireable? You're right, it's your perspective - you don't enjoy playing video games enough to consider it worth it to stay out all night, and neither do I, but obviously someone who does enjoy video games a lot does consider it worth the expenditure of effort. The question you are posing is, as such, "Why do some people like video games so much?". The answer is the same as that to the question of why some people like cars so much, or why some people like jewellery so much. It's nothing special.

    On the contrary, I really enjoy playing video games.

    The question is whether or not I enjoy them enough to camp on the street for a night or more so I can acquire the console a few months earlier. I don't, because I'm a reasonable person.

    And I don't think it's the same as cars or jewelry. There is something about video gaming that encourages compulsiveness. Cars and jewelry are merely hobbies, yet video games have the potential to become an unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. In this sense, I think it's something special worth examining.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    And I don't think it's the same as cars or jewelry. There is something about video gaming that encourages compulsiveness. Cars and jewelry are merely hobbies, yet video games have the potential to become an unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. In this sense, I think it's something special worth examining.

    You are very ignorant of car culture. I know people who live in trailers that have cars they've put almost three times the cost of their house into. This is ignoring the amount of time they've done since they do all the work themselves.

    People are obsessive about a lot of things, I think you're just overexposed to the video game sects excesses. It may have something to do with where you spend your free time.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ege02 wrote:
    And I don't think it's the same as cars or jewelry. There is something about video gaming that encourages compulsiveness. Cars and jewelry are merely hobbies, yet video games have the potential to become an unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. In this sense, I think it's something special worth examining.

    You are very ignorant of car culture. I know people who live in trailers that have cars they've put almost three times the cost of their house into. This is ignoring the amount of time they've done since they do all the work themselves.

    People are obsessive about a lot of things, I think you're just overexposed to the video game sects excesses. It may have something to do with where you spend your free time.

    Geeks exist in every hobby, its just easier to spot the ones with tape on their glasses.

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