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Damn denim wearing hippies

PeenPeen Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
George Will's latest column is a real masterpiece. It's all about how blue jeans are an outward manifestation of the fact that Americans have lost their sense of class and don't want to grow up. He spends a whole column lamenting this sign of the juvenilization of American culture.

http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2009/04/16/forever_in_blue_jeans

A few choice quotes for those of you who prefer the TL;DR version of things:

“Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults (“Seinfeld,” “Two and a Half Men”) and cartoons for adults (“King of the Hill”).”

“Denim is the carefully calculated costume of people eager to communicate indifference to appearances. But the appearances that people choose to present in public are cues from which we make inferences about their maturity and respect for those to whom they are presenting themselves. “

"Edmund Burke -- what he would have thought of the denimization of America can be inferred from his lament that the French Revolution assaulted "the decent drapery of life"; it is a straight line from the fall of the Bastille to the rise of denim -- said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim. "

So what say you, Penny Arcaders? Does he have a point? Should we all dress like Fred Astaire and Grace Kelly? Or is George Will really just a cranky old crank who's completely out of touch with modern life and
standards?

Oh and if this isn't obvious, my opinion is the latter.

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    NargorothRiPNargorothRiP Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    My sense of style if i could afford it, would have me dressing like a 1930s gangster or g-man. jeans are just cheaper.

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    kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    George Will yells at clouds.

    Subtext: My sense of fashion should be king, and would you goddamned women get back in dresses already?

    edit: less snarky, I will say that I disagree with a lot of fashion choices in the modern age, but jeans aren't one of them. Jeans I can clearly see your thong through the holes in? Yes, those I think go too far.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    The right wing punditry is now assaulting jeans?

    No shit?

    Goddammit, stop making it hard to parody you fucks.

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Jeans are cheap and it takes years to wear a pair out.

    This is about the extent of my interest in clothing. Also wool is a grotesquely uncomfortable fabric to wear all day.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Cartoons for adults?!

    Next thing you know, they're going to have comic books and Nintendos for adults!

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    Delicious Toad!Delicious Toad! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Hi, I'm a liberal arts major. Discussions about the semiotics of denim jeans -- I shit you not -- comprise a majority of the essays and literature of the undergraduate field at my college. Seriously! ... seriously.

    I don't know how this happened, but it's true. You should know it. This is basically like reading survey course materials that some crotchety old fart decided to regurgitate and call his own after he missed all the deeper implications. Oh, and after he got thrown out of the class before ever making it past the first chapter of the text. :|

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    TachTach Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    "What are you rebelling against?"

    "What have you got?"

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Does he want the good-old-boys to go pantsless?

    Those Palin rallies just got a lot creepier.

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    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I would rather be viewed as a juvenile slob than live a life without girls in skin tight low cut jeans that show off their well toned young nubile bodies.

    Though to be fair, if Barney Stinson (aka Neil Patrick Harris) has taught me anything, is that you never wear denim to a lapdance, because you wont get your moneys worth that way.

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    iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I dont have to iron creases into my jeans, so I prefer them over dress pants/khaki pants daily.

    They're comfortable. I enjoy "dressing up" though. I like looking nice, but in my day-to-day life where I am only seen by other programmers there's not much of a point.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    And here I thought I was wearing jeans because they're relatively cheap, plentiful, and comfortable... To think I've been a subversive all these years.

    I'm also surprised he didn't use the term dungarees. That wouldn't have pegged him as an old man raging against the times which are a'changin'...

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    He's going to be pissed something righteous when he discovers that until recently the only pair of pants I owned were a pair of jeans.

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    geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    George Will is just mad that's he's an old ugly fuck that makes things up about global warming and then gets called out on it by everyone at his paper but the editor.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Are you kidding me? Really? Jeans? What?

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I wore sweats when I was younger. I matured into jeans. this guy would hate me.

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    SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I like how he picked out denim as an outrageous abuse of personal freedom, meanwhile the world is plunging downhill into a global depression due to unregulated finance.

    If only George Will's acuity had been available to The Greatest Generation. He could have warned them of the impending havoc to be caused by sailor style trousers popular wiyh German women in the 1930s.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly.

    Fuck this guy. I love how he also implies that 'gamers' should not be allowed to vote.
    Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote.

    You can have my buttonfly 501's when you pull them from my cold, dead, um, legs.

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    QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I wear jeans and a sweatshirt with a Windwaker-style Zelda drawing on the back everyday.

    However, I believe George Will has a point. I feel childish. I would much, much, much prefer to wear robes. Like our august ancestors, the Romans, the Greeks, the Hebrews, the Babylonians. Like the Saudis do today. Like the people on Avatar: The Last Airbender wear.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    And what really pisses him off is that they're wearing jeans while on his lawn.

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    That was one of my favorite parts of the column, the shot at gamers who are allowed to vote. I mean gosh, did you know that something like 52% of the adult population of the United States are women and they're allowed to vote too?! I mean if Abigail Adams didn't need to vote, I don't know why women today do.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I wear jeans and a sweatshirt with a Windwaker-style Zelda drawing on the back everyday.

    However, I believe George Will has a point. I feel childish. I would much, much, much prefer to wear robes. Like our august ancestors, the Romans, the Greeks, the Hebrews, the Babylonians. Like the Saudis do today. Like the people on Avatar: The Last Airbender wear.

    The Dude abides.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    Wow, that article manages to slam jeans, animation, video games, sit coms, super hero movies, and tennis shoes in a span of, like, 3 paragraphs.

    That guy isn't just yelling at clouds, he's clubbing them over the heads and skull-fucking them.

    edit: But not on his lawn, no sirree.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Qingu wrote: »
    I wear jeans and a sweatshirt with a Windwaker-style Zelda drawing on the back everyday.

    However, I believe George Will has a point. I feel childish. I would much, much, much prefer to wear robes. Like our august ancestors, the Romans, the Greeks, the Hebrews, the Babylonians. Like the Saudis do today. Like the people on Avatar: The Last Airbender wear.
    Dude looks classy, and comfortable:
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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ah, George Will.

    I wish I could be that irrelevant.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I would wear sweatpants to work if it were professionally acceptable. I do, however, wear jeans. Because this lets me focus on being comfortable and doing my job rather than worrying about how tight my tie is, or if my boss is going to yell at me for rolling up my sleeves without exerting myself.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Someone needs to buy George Will some robot insurance.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    My favourite part was when he said that wearing jeans was a "misuse of freedom."

    Asshole.

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    kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    My favourite part was when he said that wearing jeans was a "misuse of freedom."

    Asshole.

    Well in his defense, the text of the bill of rights actually says that we're allowed to wear jeans as part of a militia.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    kildy wrote: »
    My favourite part was when he said that wearing jeans was a "misuse of freedom."

    Asshole.

    Well in his defense, the text of the bill of rights actually says that we're allowed to wear jeans as part of a militia.

    :lol:

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Ah, George Will.

    I wish I could be that irrelevant.

    Make up shit about global warming and talk about baseball a lot. Then yell at some clouds and be mysteriously given a Washington Post column.

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    KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    I wore khakis in middle school and started wearing jeans in high school

    it's a lot better than cargo pants with a dozen pockets on them

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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The main problem is that he takes what could be at least an interesting topic of discussion, and old fogies the hell out of it.

    Wills: The increased wearing of jeans is a sign of reduced class in our society.
    Person B: I feel this could be an interesting topic of discussion.
    Wills: And King of the Hill is destroying America!
    Person B: Um... I'm going to leave now...

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    iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Ah, George Will.

    I wish I could be that irrelevant.

    Make up shit about global warming and talk about baseball a lot. Then yell at some clouds and be mysteriously given a Washington Post column.
    I wasted a lot of money on this degree. :cry:

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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
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    Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    So what does this mean?

    The Republican ticket in 2012 is going to be Tim Gunn and Carson Kressly?

    They're going to campaign on a message of a fabulous makeover for the country?

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    People thought this argument was dumb in the 50s, because although jeans started out as a greaser/juvenile delinquent trend pretty soon everybody was wearing them.

    The fact that this guy is making an argument that was irrelevent before he hit puberty tells me that he's just trying to piss people off, and failing miserably at it. Shit, is there any social class that doesn't wear jeans regularly now? Who is his sympathetic audience here?

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Demin girl butts drive me nutz!

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    Who is his sympathetic audience here?

    The Washington Post editorial board.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The right wing punditry is now assaulting jeans?

    No shit?

    Goddammit, stop making it hard to parody you fucks.

    I miss the days of when farmers worked in corduroy pleated pants.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    Who is his sympathetic audience here?

    The Washington Post editorial board.

    Alternately: the biggest morons in the country, but that's kind of redundant.

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