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Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), Wiretapping, and Government Corruption

enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Hoooooly crap is there a lot going on in this story.
Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”

Harman declined to discuss the wiretap allegations, instead issuing an angry denial through a spokesman.

“These claims are an outrageous and recycled canard, and have no basis in fact,” Harman said in a prepared statement. “I never engaged in any such activity. Those who are peddling these false accusations should be ashamed of themselves.”

It’s true that allegations of pro-Israel lobbyists trying to help Harman get the chairmanship of the intelligence panel by lobbying and raising money for Pelosi aren’t new.

They were widely reported in 2006, along with allegations that the FBI launched an investigation of Harman that was eventually dropped for a “lack of evidence.”

What is new is that Harman is said to have been picked up on a court-approved NSA tap directed at alleged Israel covert action operations in Washington.

And that, contrary to reports that the Harman investigation was dropped for “lack of evidence,” it was Alberto R. Gonzales, President Bush’s top counsel and then attorney general, who intervened to stop the Harman probe.

Why? Because, according to three top former national security officials, Gonzales wanted Harman to be able to help defend the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, which was about break in The New York Times and engulf the White House.

As for there being “no evidence” to support the FBI probe, a source with first-hand knowledge of the wiretaps called that “bull****.”

There's a lot more there, but I think that establishes the general gist of the story.

Rep. Harman was lobbied to reduce charges against a pair of AIPAC lobbyists. She was wiretapped and recorded having this conversation and agreeing to try. In exchange she was told AIPAC would lobby for her to become chair of the Intelligence committee with soon to be Speaker Pelosi. Justice was going to charge her with a crime, but knowing she was a supporter of the warrantless wiretapping program that was about to be revealed by the New York Times, Attorney General Gonzales stopped the investigation to get bipartisan support for the program, and Harman obliged with appearances on the Sunday shows and strongly worded releases.

Now, it's not alleged that she was blackmailed by the Bush Administration though I'm sure that will become a meme in the liberal blogosphere. But this whole thing is disturbing on about 8 different levels and it's giving me even less faith in the government and is just generally depressing me. This should be a huge story and I'm curious to see how it gets reported.

The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Meanwhile, CNN's top story is about some dead horses. o_O

    This is pretty fucking messed up, though.

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  • theclamtheclam Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    She better be indicted for this.

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  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Harman has a track record as an authoritarian liberal democrat. She's pro government everything, including foreign intervention and pro PATRIOT act. Disclosure that she is corrupt is just one more reason in the long list of reasons not to re-elect her.

    Of course her district, in which I happen to live, continues to return her to office. She won the last election with 65% of the vote.

    There are no quality republican challengers around here. The few that do run are usually pro war, anti immigrant fear-mongers so they are just as bad.

    Basically this will get swept under the rug and Harman won't get challenged from anywhere. The progressive left will run a challenger and get stomped on in the primaries. The GOP is equally impotent.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I do hope this probe is reopened. It would do wonders to reduce the power of AIPAC if this went to court and won.

    edit: and yeah, I don't see her going away unless she gets charged with something.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    She's not that liberal, to be honest. Otherwise KevinNash is right. Weird. :P

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Fucking Israel

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  • RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Does anyone know why the wiretap was in place? I've not seen explanations in any of the stories about it. Was there prior suspicion of this type of behavior, or was there more weight to the "Members of Congress being wire-tapped!" stories than I thought?

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Dear Democrats in the House, please replace about half of your leadership.
    Dear Democrats in the Senate, please replace Harry Reid with someone who has balls.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Does anyone know why the wiretap was in place? I've not seen explanations in any of the stories about it. Was there prior suspicion of this type of behavior, or was there more weight to the "Members of Congress being wire-tapped!" stories than I thought?

    Suspected due to following a chain of investigating some AIPAC people in general, as I recall from the details.

    Basically they were hunting some suspected Israeli CovOps folks for evidence a while back, and she happened to get caught on their taps (they were tapping their end, not the congresscritter's)

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  • theclamtheclam Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Does anyone know why the wiretap was in place? I've not seen explanations in any of the stories about it. Was there prior suspicion of this type of behavior, or was there more weight to the "Members of Congress being wire-tapped!" stories than I thought?

    "suspected Israeli agent" probably has something to do with it.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Does anyone know why the wiretap was in place? I've not seen explanations in any of the stories about it. Was there prior suspicion of this type of behavior, or was there more weight to the "Members of Congress being wire-tapped!" stories than I thought?

    It was, according to everything I've read, a completely legit wiretap on the suspected Israeli agent that happened to catch Harman.

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  • RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ok, that's a relief.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Ok, that's a relief.

    Its also the funniest part. As someone elsewhere put it:

    "We need warentless wiretaps to protect our security!"
    "We didn't need them to catch you...

    EDIT: What category of crime would this fall under, BTW?

    Gonzalez calling off the prosecution was pretty scummy, too.

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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    KevinNash wrote: »
    Harman has a track record as an authoritarian liberal democrat. She's pro government everything, including foreign intervention and pro PATRIOT act. Disclosure that she is corrupt is just one more reason in the long list of reasons not to re-elect her.

    Of course her district, in which I happen to live, continues to return her to office. She won the last election with 65% of the vote.

    There are no quality republican challengers around here. The few that do run are usually pro war, anti immigrant fear-mongers so they are just as bad.

    Basically this will get swept under the rug and Harman won't get challenged from anywhere. The progressive left will run a challenger and get stomped on in the primaries. The GOP is equally impotent.

    I'm also in her district, and based on what little I know of her, I'm not surprised in the least about this development. I wanted to vote against her, but like you said there is no viable alternative.

    I guess I can vote against her in a primary as a protest vote, but she's just too entrenched. Or, she was before this story cropped up.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Phoenix-D wrote: »

    EDIT: What category of crime would this fall under, BTW?

    Gonzalez calling off the prosecution was pretty scummy, too.

    At the very least, influence peddling.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    kildy wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »

    EDIT: What category of crime would this fall under, BTW?

    Gonzalez calling off the prosecution was pretty scummy, too.

    At the very least, influence peddling.

    And at the upper end, espionage and possibly treason, if it comes out that she was passing along stuff from the intelligence committee to Israel.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I hope this isn't swept under the rug by the simultaneous question of 'where the heck did this wiretap come from? was it part of the warantless stuff?" because I could see that as being used to deflect attention away from the fact she was acting corrupt as fuck.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    As someone who currently believes nothing that they hear and only half of what they see.....

    Has the actual wire tapped conversation been released? Or is this mainly heresay?

    Personally I believe it to be likely true, liable to be fairly normal behaviour.

    If I were to over simplify, is this like asking your friend (say an Assistant D.A.) to look into charges brought against your friend/family?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    If I were to over simplify, is this like asking your friend (say an Assistant D.A.) to look into charges brought against your friend/family?
    Almost identical.

    If you're the agent of a foreign power and the charges involve espionage that you actually did.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It's more like corruption, at one of the highest levels of our governmental structure.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Teslan26 wrote: »
    If I were to over simplify, is this like asking your friend (say an Assistant D.A.) to look into charges brought against your friend/family?
    Almost identical.

    If you're the agent of a foreign power and the charges involve espionage that you actually did.

    See, if my friends were in trouble and I believed they were innocent and I had a friend who might be able to check out that everything was as it should be - I would. Part of me wants to say 'As long as she was merely looking into it, with the intent of confirming that the case proceeded according to laws and was not a 'fit-up'/misunderstanding for lack of a better way of phrasing it. Then what is the problem? That she was asked to? Surely the only crime would be if she perverted the course of justice?'
    It's more like corruption, at one of the highest levels of our governmental structure.

    This would be surprising? :p

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    See, when the man smuggled the nuke into NYC, it's basically like that time I once walked over the Canadian border with some strawberries by accident.

    Except for the details.

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  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    God Dammit Israel, stop spying on us. Seriously, at this point it is just getting annoying. Or do all of our other friends do this to us to, but Israels spies are just comically incompetent and get caught while the British and German spies just walk on by.

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Neaden wrote: »
    God Dammit Israel, stop spying on us. Seriously, at this point it is just getting annoying. Or do all of our other friends do this to us to, but Israels spies are just comically incompetent and get caught while the British and German spies just walk on by.

    And this is what pisses me off.

    I don't mind a little espionage. By and large everybody having a pretty good idea of what everybody else is doing keeps people from attacking each other. But dammit we are not the place you send your farm team!

    Israel, what did we do to deserve such disrespect? (Playing Godfather II recently)

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  • EmanonEmanon __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Cloudman wrote: »
    Meanwhile, CNN's top story is about some dead horses. o_O

    This is pretty fucking messed up, though.

    That's CNN for ya. Hannity is gonna cover this tonight.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Can anyone explain why the fuck AIPAC isn't considered an agent of a foreign power?

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Can anyone explain why the fuck AIPAC isn't considered an agent of a foreign power?

    Because it has "American" in the name...?
    It's the reason. It's not necessarily a good reason.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm going to be amused if Hannity covered this and not without completely ignoring who was being investigated.

    It's a funny topic. Do you go after the corrupt dem official, or leave it alone because it involves AIPAC? Or do you try and spin it as "she was colluding with foreign spies" and leave out who.

    edit: not to say CNN will cover it either. While they may love to maul AIPAC, I don't think they want to touch dem corruption. It's a cute story neither side will really want to touch without omitting some key information.

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